[ashmostro]

Is that a question?

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by ashmostro

Is that a question?

It's a fact.

[ashmostro]

Interesting

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by ashmostro

Interesting

What are we talkinv about?

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

What are we talkinv about?

wheels

[ashmostro]

N tires

[Knonsense]

i've searched for a few days now, and am pretty confident that this info isn't out there yet...

I have a 2011 e90 335xi. only suspension modification is e92 M-Tech springs + Koni Yellows (this was my cheapass solution to stock springs and shocks, oh the terrible floating everywhere).

I just picked up a set of DForce LTW5 17x9 et41, currently with 245/40 Hoosiers R6s

does anyone know if these wheels will fit on my car? I know Apex is the preffered solution, but i paid $500 for my wheels n tires sooo

[gavronm]

Lots of people run Apex's 17X9 et30 wheels with 245/40 and even 255/40. Mostly guessing here but you might get away with them in the rear without any spacers but will probably need 10mm or so in the front. Hoosiers tend to run wide so the front fitment will likely be tight.

[Kooshi3]

Just trying to gather some information on people's thoughts around this set up on a pre-lci e92 (non-M).


I'm looking up at going with Apex Arc-8's in 18x9.5 et22 f&r, running a 255/35/18 set up all around. I like this setup because it is square, about as wide as you can get, and there is no need for any spacer.

Unfortunately, outside of henry418 who has done it (tried contacting for more info, no luck) in this thread,

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=686421

There really isn't any additional information or individuals who have opted to go that route. Just curious to gather those who track their cars thoughts on this route, vs. going with a slightly less wide 17x9 or 18x9, and throwing on 275 all around.

Thank You

[SeanS54]

Originally Posted by Kooshi3

Just trying to gather some information on people's thoughts around this set up on a pre-lci e92 (non-M).


I'm looking up at going with Apex Arc-8's in 18x9.5 et22 f&r, running a 255/35/18 set up all around. I like this setup because it is square, about as wide as you can get, and there is no need for any spacer.

Unfortunately, outside of henry418 who has done it (tried contacting for more info, no luck) in this thread,

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=686421

There really isn't any additional information or individuals who have opted to go that route. Just curious to gather those who track their cars thoughts on this route, vs. going with a slightly less wide 17x9 or 18x9, and throwing on 275 all around.

Thank You

I think ET22 is too aggressive for the fronts especially with a 255/35/18.

I'm running 18x9.5 ET 35 square APEX ARC-8, 255/35/18 fronts and 265/35/18 rears Michelin PSS.

I have to run 5mm spacers up front to clear the coilover perch, 2.5 degrees neg camber, fender roll, fender bolt relocation.

So essentially 18x9.5 ET 30 (if you count my 5mm spacers). If the wheels came out an additional 8mm (ET 22) it would definitely not clear the outside fenders.

[Kooshi3]

Absolutely beautiful set-up, especially with the Arc-8's and I appreciate the feedback / comments. The idea is in an ideal world, Apex would have that +30 wheel so one could run those wheels front and rear without the need for any spacers.

The reason I am thinking et22 is because I am pretty sure it can be done with that tire set-up allowing one to have a square set-up, with equal track width in the front and rear (maintaining offset the same) without any spacers.

From what I have heard, the LCI vehicles are a little more narrow / have less room to work with in that front fender? That might explain why going from 30 to 22 would possibly not work for your car.

Thoughts / comments / feedback appreciated. Let me know if that makes sense.

-Kooshi3

Originally Posted by SeanS54

I think ET22 is too aggressive for the fronts especially with a 255/35/18.

I'm running 18x9.5 ET 35 square APEX ARC-8, 255/35/18 fronts and 265/35/18 rears Michelin PSS.

I have to run 5mm spacers up front to clear the coilover perch, 2.5 degrees neg camber, fender roll, fender bolt relocation.

So essentially 18x9.5 ET 30 (if you count my 5mm spacers). If the wheels came out an additional 8mm (ET 22) it would definitely not clear the outside fenders.

[SeanS54]

Originally Posted by Kooshi3

Absolutely beautiful set-up, especially with the Arc-8's and I appreciate the feedback / comments. The idea is in an ideal world, Apex would have that +30 wheel so one could run those wheels front and rear without the need for any spacers.

The reason I am thinking et22 is because I am pretty sure it can be done with that tire set-up allowing one to have a square set-up, with equal track width in the front and rear (maintaining offset the same) without any spacers.

From what I have heard, the LCI vehicles are a little more narrow / have less room to work with in that front fender? That might explain why going from 30 to 22 would possibly not work for your car.

Thoughts / comments / feedback appreciated. Let me know if that makes sense.

-Kooshi3

Actually LCI and pre-LCI has the same front width/clearance. It's the rear of the LCI that has the wider track so it can't run as agressive rear offset as the pre-lci.

ET22 with a 18x9.5 and 255 will not clear the rear of an LCI. You will need to stretch the tires to run ET22. On my LCI I'm running 18x9.5 et 35 with 265/35 and a rear fender roll/shave for clearance. Camber in the rear at 1.8 neg.

[NW 335i]

Originally Posted by SeanS54

I think ET22 is too aggressive for the fronts especially with a 255/35/18.

I'm running 18x9.5 ET 35 square APEX ARC-8, 255/35/18 fronts and 265/35/18 rears Michelin PSS.

I have to run 5mm spacers up front to clear the coilover perch, 2.5 degrees neg camber, fender roll, fender bolt relocation.

So essentially 18x9.5 ET 30 (if you count my 5mm spacers). If the wheels came out an additional 8mm (ET 22) it would definitely not clear the outside fenders.

On your 18x9.5 front w 255/35 did you have to mod your front fender? Or are you talking about rolling the rears?
What suspension setup are you running? I too want to run a 255 front 265 rear PSS.

I'm pre lci e92 and waiting for Apex to have another arc 8 group buy. I wish they made a profile 3 arc 8 in 18x9 et31 like they do w some of their other offerings.

But since they don't if I want arc 8s in matching profiles in need to run 18x9.5 square.

I'm stock sport suspension for now. Can't figure out if I could get away w say koni yellows w h&r or eibach springs and camber plates or if I have to go to coilovers and camber plates? Will i need height adjustability w a 18x9.5 front? And for a daily driver and ocassional weeken auto x car will the Konis and springs do the job? The price is certainly right.

Just trying to figure the entire puzzle out.

I have m3 front control arms coming which should give .75 degrees negative camber from what I have read.

I should probably start a new thread but oh well.

[SeanS54]

Originally Posted by C Minus

On your 18x9.5 front w 255/35 did you have to mod your front fender? Or are you talking about rolling the rears?
What suspension setup are you running? I too want to run a 255 front 265 rear PSS.

I'm pre lci e92 and waiting for Apex to have another arc 8 group buy. I wish they made a profile 3 arc 8 in 18x9 et31 like they do w some of their other offerings.

But since they don't if I want arc 8s in matching profiles in need to run 18x9.5 square.

I'm stock sport suspension for now. Can't figure out if I could get away w say koni yellows w h&r or eibach springs and camber plates or if I have to go to coilovers and camber plates? Will i need height adjustability w a 18x9.5 front? And for a daily driver and ocassional weeken auto x car will the Konis and springs do the job? The price is certainly right.

Just trying to figure the entire puzzle out.

I have m3 front control arms coming which should give .75 degrees negative camber from what I have read.

I should probably start a new thread but oh well.

I'm running TC Kline SA coilovers with 350 lb front and 672 lb (swift) rear springs.

Fronts have M3 arms and fixed dinan camber plates to give me 2.5 neg camber. Front fenders are rolled and one of the bumper bolts has been relocated. That's the only way I was able to clear 18x9.5 (ET30) w/ 255/35/18 PSS.

Rears have been rolled/shaved and part of the bumper cut to clear 18x9.5 (ET 35) 265/35/18 PSS. I have an LCI which has the wider rear track. Pre-LCI would clear this w/o any problems.

I've had several suspension setups over the years. You can see my review here. In sum, if you're going to track your car then the best bang for the buck coilover is TC Kline SA w/ custom spring rates.

ST's are perfect for the street and super comfy but not recommended for the track because it has progressive springs and the struts/shocks are not adjustable.

I don't recommend springs and shocks because you won't be able to dial in the ride height for your desired looks, handling, wheel clearance.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by C Minus

On your 18x9.5 front w 255/35 did you have to mod your front fender? Or are you talking about rolling the rears?
What suspension setup are you running? I too want to run a 255 front 265 rear PSS.

I'm pre lci e92 and waiting for Apex to have another arc 8 group buy. I wish they made a profile 3 arc 8 in 18x9 et31 like they do w some of their other offerings.

But since they don't if I want arc 8s in matching profiles in need to run 18x9.5 square.

I'm stock sport suspension for now. Can't figure out if I could get away w say koni yellows w h&r or eibach springs and camber plates or if I have to go to coilovers and camber plates? Will i need height adjustability w a 18x9.5 front? And for a daily driver and ocassional weeken auto x car will the Konis and springs do the job? The price is certainly right.

Just trying to figure the entire puzzle out.

I have m3 front control arms coming which should give .75 degrees negative camber from what I have read.

I should probably start a new thread but oh well.

You want

18x9 et31 front wheels w/ 255/35 or 265/35 tires (depending on the tire, some run wider than others)
and 18x9.5 et35 rear wheels w/ 265/35 or 275/35 tires

You are going to need at least -2.0 front camber to run these setup.

Do not install 18x9.5 on a non-M E92, since the front fender is plastic, so you can't roll them like the E90.

You really don't need coilover to track and enjoy these cars, and if you don't care about drops or "slammed stance", entry level coilovers are not worth the money either.

Just invest in a set of quality camber plates, and good shock/spring combo, like BMW Performance Suspension, paired with M3 front anti-roll bar.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by SeanS54

I'm running TC Kline SA coilovers with 350 lb front and 672 lb (swift) rear springs.

Fronts have M3 arms and fixed dinan camber plates to give me 2.5 neg camber. Front fenders are rolled and one of the bumper bolts has been relocated. That's the only way I was able to clear 18x9.5 (ET30) w/ 255/35/18 PSS.

Rears have been rolled/shaved and part of the bumper cut to clear 18x9.5 (ET 35) 265/35/18 PSS. I have an LCI which has the wider rear track. Pre-LCI would clear this w/o any problems.

I've had several suspension setups over the years. You can see my review here. In sum, if you're going to track your car then the best bang for the buck coilover is TC Kline SA w/ custom spring rates.

ST's are perfect for the street and super comfy but not recommended for the track because it has progressive springs and the struts/shocks are not adjustable.

I don't recommend springs and shocks because you won't be able to dial in the ride height for your desired looks, handling, wheel clearance.

Disagree with your view. These cars are very well balanced from the factory, so unless you are doing some extreme modification to the chassis, like full cage, stripped out interior, there is very minimal gain to be had with corner balance.

For beginner like OP, he would be better off with a quality set of shock (Koni yellow, Bilstein, BMW Performance) and spring (BMW Performance), so he doesn't have to worry about misadjusting the ride height and rebound setting. And if one can max out of the capability of those upgraded spring and shocks, OP should then consider upgrading to high end dampers like Motion Control and Ohlins, as those low and mid level coilovers like ST, KW, and TC Kline won't be good enough either at that point.

[NW 335i]

Guys good info here. The problem is I want and like the Arc 8. I also want a matching profile. Apex doesn't make a 18x9 et31 like they do w their other wheels.

I have seen many pre lci e92s w 17x9.5 et35 w 5mm spacer up front and 18x9.5 et35 w 5mm spacer up front and 2.5 degrees neg camber. Apex have pics of a silver e92 on 17x9.5 square et35.

Is rolling around on a daily driver w 2.5 ish degrees negative camber going to destroy the inside of the tires or does toe cause the accelerated wear.

Also I'm guessing if I were going to run a 9.5 wide front w 5mm spacer to clear the strut I am going to need to have the ability to adjust ride height.

There is just so much conflicting in for on what does and doesn't work.
Here is 17x9.5 et 35 square on r comp tires which I would have to believe will be beefier than even the PSS.http://www.myapexparts.com/2012/12/2...ur-335-or-328/

Now in a perfect world I could get away w koni yellows and bmw performance springs while running the arc 8 in matching concave profiles. The other apex wheels just don't really do it for me for whatever reason.

If Apex only made an 18x9.0 et31 I would not be asking these questions. I mean they make a 17x9.0 in concave profile 3. Sigh

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by C Minus

Guys good info here. The problem is I want and like the Arc 8. I also want a matching profile. Apex doesn't make a 18x9 et31 like they do w their other wheels.

I have seen many pre lci e92s w 17x9.5 et35 w 5mm spacer up front and 18x9.5 et35 w 5mm spacer up front and 2.5 degrees neg camber. Apex have pics of a silver e92 on 17x9.5 square et35.

Is rolling around on a daily driver w 2.5 ish degrees negative camber going to destroy the inside of the tires or does toe cause the accelerated wear.

Also I'm guessing if I were going to run a 9.5 wide front w 5mm spacer to clear the strut I am going to need to have the ability to adjust ride height.

There is just so much conflicting in for on what does and doesn't work.
Here is 17x9.5 et 35 square on r comp tires which I would have to believe will be beefier than even the PSS.http://www.myapexparts.com/2012/12/2...ur-335-or-328/

Now in a perfect world I could get away w koni yellows and bmw performance springs while running the arc 8 in matching concave profiles. The other apex wheels just don't really do it for me for whatever reason.

If Apex only made an 18x9.0 et31 I would not be asking these questions. I mean they make a 17x9.0 in concave profile 3. Sigh

What are you talking about??? Apex makes 17x8 et30 ARC-8 wheels, which is exactly what you need for your front end... Why are you trying to fit 9.5" wheels on your e92???

http://www.apexraceparts.com/apex-pr...l#.VccRBJNVhHw

Unless you want ARC-8 in 18"... If that's the case, why not just get the PS-7 or EC-7 instead??? They look a lot better on a E92 than ARC-8 IMO.

You will wear down your inner shoulders of your front tires at those camber setting fairly quickly, if you drive more than 10-20K a year.

[NW 335i]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

What are you talking about??? Apex makes 17x8 et30 ARC-8 wheels, which is exactly what you need for your front end... Why are you trying to fit 9.5" wheels on your e92???

http://www.apexraceparts.com/apex-pr...l#.VccRBJNVhHw

Unless you want ARC-8 in 18"... If that's the case, why not just get the PS-7 or EC-7 instead??? They look a lot better on a E92 than ARC-8 IMO.

You will wear down your inner shoulders of your front tires at those camber setting fairly quickly, if you drive more than 10-20K a year.

I want to stick w 18s. I was merely using the 17s as an example of fitment of a 9.5 wide front as Apex has a wide variety of fitment in 17. Yes if I wanted 17s the 9 et30 is a perfect do nothing fit.

I would like to run a square setup if I choose to rotate tires and a flat faced 18x9 arc 8 won't hold as big of a tire as I need out back if i wante the wheels to match. I would love to stick the widest fitting front tire up front for obvious reasons.

I prefer the Arc 8 over the other offerings by a wide margin. It just sucks that if you want 18 Arc 8s your only option is to have unmatching concave profiles or do what it takes to fit them.

So this leaves me w running a 18x9 et 42 or 18x8.5 et 38 which are both flat faced concave profile 1 vs profile 3 out back. Looks weird to me.

Anyway I appreciate the feedback. Maybe I should look at other wheels if it's really this big a pain in the ass to get them to fit square.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by C Minus

I want to stick w 18s. I was merely using the 17s as an example of fitment of a 9.5 wide front as Apex has a wide variety of fitment in 17. Yes if I wanted 17s the 9 et30 is a perfect do nothing fit.

I would like to run a square setup if I choose to rotate tires and a flat faced 18x9 arc 8 won't hold as big of a tire as I need out back if i wante the wheels to match. I would love to stick the widest fitting front tire up front for obvious reasons.

I prefer the Arc 8 over the other offerings by a wide margin. It just sucks that if you want 18 Arc 8s your only option is to have unmatching concave profiles or do what it takes to fit them.

So this leaves me w running a 18x9 et 42 or 18x8.5 et 38 which are both flat faced concave profile 1 vs profile 3 out back. Looks weird to me.

Anyway I appreciate the feedback. Maybe I should look at other wheels if it's really this big a pain in the ass to get them to fit square.

I don't think you are reading my post...

If you want biggest square setup, 18x9 et30 front and back with 255 or 265 tires are the only way to go.

[ashmostro]

I agree that 18x9 et30/31 in ARC-8 is a sorely missing fitment. I run 17x9 ET 30 which is perfect from an offset perspective and is a great square setup, but I do sometimes wish for 18" for a little more dynamic responsiveness and of course, the looks. I think the balance of wheel and tire beef is perfect with the 18".

That said, 17" doesn't look bad

[NW 335i]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

I don't think you are reading my post...

If you want biggest square setup, 18x9 et30 front and back with 255 or 265 tires are the only way to go.

No I hear you. 18x9 et 30 not offered in Arc 8.
If I go w a different apex wheel then yes 18x9 et 30ish it will be. Just like the Arc 8 is all and would like them to match (profile) if possible.