[old grey steve]

Originally Posted by Jase 320d

Question to ask yourself....

Why doesnt the tyre manufacturer coat the tyre in this gloop at manufacture?

Good point but at a guess to answer your question, I'd say production costs and complexity, if developed by a manufacturer this would have an effect on the RFT market car, manufacturer acceptance for OEM fitment, product liability(which in certain country's like the USA could be huge if the solution were found to of not met the required standard) possible insurance liability and many more at a guess.

Honest answer as to why the tyre manufacturers don't offer this product I of course don't know but costs liability will play part

But like swirl flap blanks for cars with swirl flaps(which as the manufacturer BMW feel are perfectly acceptable)the after market provide solutions to problems, issues encountered and look for gaps in the market.

We as BMW owners have issues with RFT, we know they create over here at least a ride that is felt to be unacceptable, there's reasonable evidence that with 19" alloys they can crack alloys(which after much publicity BMW as a manufacturer have acknowledged) and we seem to have adopted the only solution which is to put standard tyres on to correct some of these oversights, yet for me I like the idea as no spare is fitted to my car of having the option of being able to in the event of a puncture taking place of continued driving with minimum loss of tyre pressure.

This sort of product give you the option it would seem.

[Fundguy1]

You've been warned. Makes me suspicious of posters like old grey squirrel standing up for the product with quotes from the obviously biased manufacturer site when others such as myself have been posting about the problems this has caused people over the years with this and similar products. This is is not new technology and wouldnt have saved me from the majority of my flats over the past 500,000 mIles I've driven, yet would have caused added tire wear, balancing issues, and gummed up many wheel sets to the point of making them unreusable . You've been warned.

[Nickos]

Think I'll go for a spacesaver.

[old grey steve]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

You've been warned. Makes me suspicious of posters like old grey squirrel standing up for the product with quotes from the obviously biased manufacturer site when others such as myself have been posting about the problems this has caused people over the years with this and similar products. This is is not new technology and wouldnt have saved me from the majority of my flats over the past 500,000 mIles I've driven, yet would have caused added tire wear, balancing issues, and gummed up many wheel sets to the point of making them unreusable . You've been warned.

Your right to say its not new technology but over there in the states you get everything long before we do so although its been in the states since god knows when over here it isn't that we'll known, hence when it was made available over here I done some basic checks before buying the stuff out of my own pocket to see if it would be a benefit to others thus using myself as a guneapig)note out of my own pocket)

So to say I'm affiliated with the company is crap so get your facts right as for the quotes its called cut'n'paste and to say what you've said above has poised me right off.

Most of the guys know me on here and know I don't operate like this but to sum up opinions are like arseholes I.e. everyone has them I'm guessing as your American yours is bigger than most and trust me if you'd read the thread you'd know I have zero affiliation whatsoever to this or any other product.

But you could be right it may be its advertising doesn't stack up to the end result. We'll see

[Jase 320d]

Whaaaaaaa.

Americans are opinionated?

Surely not........

[Jules59]

Originally Posted by Russbmw

On my bike, I seem to collect nails and screws, so I might get some when I put new tyres on in the spring time.

If it works out well, I might well put some in the car.

Assuming we are not talking motorbike here - Have you considered Kevlar reinforced tyres - I changed both my bikes (hybrid and full race) to Gatorskin tyres by Continental - not had a puncture in 2 years.

[old grey steve]

Originally Posted by Jase 320d

Whaaaaaaa.

Americans are opinionated?

Surely not........

Sadly yes it would appear to be. As many on here know if something could/would be of benifut to anyone on here I'll post up thsta all I've done here quite where this guy thinks I'm affiliated with this or any other company is beyond me. And sadly Jason, when I read his post it dud puss me off.

But on the vibration subject I've expierienced(why the hell would I publicise an issue if I was affiliated to this company)the guy who runs it has made a suggestion or 2 which are worthy of a look and on his subject I'll check/report back.

If this proves to be an issue re the sealant then trust me I'll report it back on here.

[old grey steve]

Originally Posted by Jules59

Assuming we are not talking motorbike here - Have you considered Kevlar reinforced tyres - I changed both my bikes (hybrid and full race) to Gatorskin tyres by Continental - not had a puncture in 2 years.

interesting.. but I'm talking cars here, I.e.225/35 and 255/30's here and am looking for a solution to providing puncture prevention to non RFT tyres that's all.

[Fundguy1]

Well this isn't it. I've seen this junk here for a decade, nevery heard anything but horror stories about it. But it's your choice if you like buYing new rims because they'll never balance again and your "tyre" guy gets pissed at you for covering his equipment with synthetic snot. But that's your choice. I've yet to hear a positive story about this junk yet. A tow or spare is cheaper than the damage if does by far.

[old grey steve]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Well this isn't it. I've seen this junk here for a decade, nevery heard anything but horror stories about it. But it's your choice if you like buYing new rims because they'll never balance again and your "tyre" guy gets pissed at you for covering his equipment with synthetic snot. But that's your choice. I've yet to hear a positive story about this junk yet. A tow or spare is cheaper than the damage if does by far.

Thanks for the reply point re alloy gunk,taken on boardbut try say, video shows and I had it verbally confirmed over the phone that this stuff doesn't coat the wheel, video demo backs up,the claim too.

But again point taken as I've seen the end result of internally costed wheels myself

[Jules59]

Originally Posted by old grey steve

interesting.. but I'm talking cars here, I.e.225/35 and 255/30's here and am looking for a solution to providing puncture prevention to non RFT tyres that's all.

I wasnt intending to hijack your thread but RussBMW mentioned his bike to which I replied.
Regarding cars IMO a slow puncture isnt really that dangerous because your sensor will register it and in my case Id stop and put the space saver on. I dont think there is a reliable solution for major blow outs where the tyre is ripped by something at speed, then deflates instantly and is destroyed. Not panicking helps but nothing else does.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Jules59

I wasnt intending to hijack your thread but RussBMW mentioned his bike to which I replied.
Regarding cars IMO a slow puncture isnt really that dangerous because your sensor will register it and in my case Id stop and put the space saver on. I dont think there is a reliable solution for major blow outs where the tyre is ripped by something at speed, then deflates instantly and is destroyed. Not panicking helps but nothing else does.

Exactly. This helps with slow leaks like a nail. Not major blowouts. Nail punature's typically have the nail stuck inside the hole and leak over a period of days. I've had about 10 flats in past 10 yrs. I've also driven 50,000 miles. This works out to about 4 years worth of driving on average in the US. Of all those flats, 6 were catastrophic, the other 4 were nails I removed with plyers and fixed with a $5 puncture repair kit (on my Jeep), or had professionals repair for $25( on my bmw because I drive fast) nevery was I stranded by anything but a catastrophic tear, etc. This stuff has been here forever. It sucks. Watch your video. Then watch another about this bridge I'm selling.

[old grey steve]

Originally Posted by Jules59

I wasnt intending to hijack your thread but RussBMW mentioned his bike to which I replied.
Regarding cars IMO a slow puncture isnt really that dangerous because your sensor will register it and in my case Id stop and put the space saver on. I dont think there is a reliable solution for major blow outs where the tyre is ripped by something at speed, then deflates instantly and is destroyed. Not panicking helps but nothing else does.

Jules you haven't hijacked in anyway far from it, in fact when you mentioned Kevlar and a like I remeber seeing 5th Gear with various military cars where tyres were spiked and yet complete mobility etc was maintained, slow punctures I know as I've had a couple on my Conti's on the rear can be felt with and are'controlled' as I like to say, sadly I don't have a space saver and that was my key decision to look into this, we had something like this demos to us at work in 2012, it looked good then I saw the stuff in the large bottle and reminded me of the stuff that is a tyre fitters nightmare.

So when I saw this product, the video, the video of the tyre removed from the wheel where the wheel itself had nothing on it whatsoever http://www.ride-on-uk.com/cms.php?id_cms=7 then I was courious and went in for a closer look.

As you say Jules nothing is gonna stop masjid blowout nothing but if I can do a journey have a puncture still keep going with a small loss of pressure then this product would of achieved its goal that's all I set out to achieve.

[Fundguy1]

Good luck with it. If you're determined to use this give us your feedback at your first tire change. I'm not saying this stuff to sound smart or beat up on you. I'm just trying to save fellow owners headaches.

[magic77]

It certainly looks like a good piece of kit, especially for bikes where a puncture can result in a lot worse outcome. will be interesting to see how you get on

[old grey steve]

Originally Posted by magic77

It certainly looks like a good piece of kit, especially for bikes where a puncture can result in a lot worse outcome. will be interesting to see how you get on

It does, I'm alittle bit cautious(especially being in the trade as I am)hence I waited then called saw the video's asked the questions and then and only then I opted to purchase.

Tremor aside (which I'll be looking in to) it seems to stack up, that's not to say it won't be as stated on the blurb, but I'm looking to this solution where a non RFT can be driven with a mimimum loss of pressure should a puncture take place in the ususal place where this stuff offers its protection(i.e. not side wall where this stuff isn't designed to cover) all I can say is I'll do the cheks I;ve been advised and I'll report back as to whether they've solved the issue or this stuff isn't all it would seem.

[Jeff123]

When my Falkens (containing the gunk) were getting worn, I had a sudden red warning light appear - "tyre pressure loss" or something similar. Went home, blew it up and went to ATS - they could not find a leak. Two days on, the same thing happened, so I went to Kwik Fit - guess what - they could not find a leak. Same happened again and went to another garage, again no leak.

Checking the tyre pressures was hit and miss, sometimes the tyre went down, others it stayed inflated. Eventually went to a 4th place who suggested that it could be leaking from the rim. Maybe due to the gunk? Anyway, the tyres were close to the end so I changed all four.

The rim was not damaged as I drove for another 40,000 miles without a similar issue.

I was keen on the stuff at first as it seemed to solve all the non-RFT problems. I would not bother with it again.

[AWSAWS]

I've seen there's also stuff called green slime which appears the same but a bit cheaper. i.e. 16oz £9.99. Honest John site from 2011 seems to say the AA were using it.

[Fundguy1]

I'm so glad that basically all you Brits are ignoring me and even better saying I'm an upidy opinionated colonist and totally ignoring what I'm saying. how bloody novel and snobbish. Maybe if one of you actually got your head out of your arse and did something called a search you'd find that people have been using this stuff for over a decade, had nothing but complaints, and it's pretty much been relegated to bicycle inner tubes in the USA because it sucks for all the reasons I've stated numerous times before. So please, someone with a total absence of anything resembling a tan and wh puts an extra "I" in the word aluminum when saying it, do a search and post the results of what you find for your mates. Honestly, it would be like me discovering Haggis at the supermarket and asking everyone named bubba from South Carolina how to cook it but not listening to you guys when you chime in.

Now a question you would have expertise in. Is there a difference between Bovril and beef bouillon? Why do you drink it for the holidays instead is something sweeter and more festive like hot chocolate with mini marshmallows on top or egg nog with a spot of rum?

[Jase 320d]

/\ i wouldn't use it


But i believe they call the language you are referring to is called ENGLISH.

Its not called American now is it....


And its aluminium over here thats how its spelt

[magic77]

and dont get me started on the avatar

[AWSAWS]

The screwing up wheel balance is enough to keep me away for now.