[grkm3]

Originally Posted by ThomasMartin

Come on guys if you want to compare other piggy back units show me one dyno done at high altitude so we can compare fairly

This is not a bashing post its to show how much WHP V1 gains from dual cone induction and that proves even MORE that V2 will gain 25 WHP!!!

You cant compare these numbers to other tuners because there isnt one dyno to compare them to!!!!!!

This is not to bring down your car,its just we have been so hyped with v2 and expected way higher numbers,your car is at a higher elevaltion but theres a lot of people making very low numbers with v2 else where.

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by O-cha

What was M&Ms baseline 1.47?

337 whp vs. ~353 whp with just intake but he has other supporting mods like exhaust I think~

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

Yeah that's what I thought, I still edited mine because I'm just trying to get everyone polarized to the idea that we need intake if we expect to dyno how Shiv does... which wasn't 390 on this map, it was 390 on his new map... it more like 370whp on this map with 93 octane which is possible for you with intake in my opinion.

There's no way your going to gain much with these dual cone in the engine bay setups though, the second you have that hood closed and drive around for a bit your going to be eating 200 degree+ air.

Since shiv has yet to post any details on this magic intake I remain skeptical. I hope it's not simply a pair of filters in the engine bay because that's only going to be good on a dyno with the hood open with fresh air being intaked.

[E90ice]

Even on their official web site they claim 400-410 hp stock with V2 ONLY. How much is that?

6AT = 345-348whp

6MT = 350-356whp

Please show me a STOCK V2 335 that made those numbers? Except for the one that Vishnu owns, of course.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by E90ice

Even on their official web site they claim 410 hp stock with V2 ONLY. How much is that?

6AT = 348whp

6MT = 356whp

Please show me a STOCK V2 335 that made those numbers? Except for the one that Vishnu owns, of course.

6AT is the same drive loss as the MT actually.

[ThomasMartin]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

Yeah that's what I thought, I still edited mine because I'm just trying to get everyone polarized to the idea that we need intake if we expect to dyno how Shiv does... which wasn't 390 on this map, it was 390 on his new 2.1 map... it more like 370whp on this map with 93 octane which is possible for you with intake in my opinion.

I fully agree

[grkm3]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

yay undermine the guy that has taken this community to this level and deny the difference between his car and the customer cars good job you are a true hero...

Im sorry for being neutrol and seeing everything from an unbaised basis.you do know Shiv had a map for the xede to make these gains right?The v2 was sooo over hyped bro.its not a joke he put down every other tuner and even the AA xede after he stopped using it.

I will admit Im wrong when I see the whole board get 390whp on 91oct with his last dyno he posted.

Do you honestly think those are reliable numbers?

[M&M]

Originally Posted by O-cha

What was M&Ms baseline 1.47?

Ok here is the run before the dual cone, vs after. But for some reason the car was way down on power last time. Normally makes about 220-225kw on this dyno. I think it's because I drove it like hell on the highway and then straight onto the dyno with no cool-down so it was heat-soaked. Today I had about 10 mins cool down.

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by E90ice

Even on their official web site they claim 410 hp stock with V2 ONLY. How much is that?

6AT = 348whp

6MT = 356whp

Please show me a STOCK V2 335 that made those numbers? Except for the one that Vishnu owns, of course.

There have been quite a few but I won't search them out because im at work and not interested in proving something i already know to be true.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by M&M

Ok here is the run before the dual cone, vs after. But for some reason the car was way down on power last time. Normally makes about 220-225kw on this dyno. I think it's because I drove it like hell on the highway and then straight onto the dyno with no cool-down so it was heat-soaked. Today I had about 10 mins cool down.

kW... My eyes are bleeding. Cannot process data.


Have you ever done some speed logging, with and without the dual cone?

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by O-cha

There's no way your going to gain much with these dual cone in the engine bay setups though, the second you have that hood closed and drive around for a bit your going to be eating 200 degree+ air.

Since shiv has yet to post any details on this magic intake I remain skeptical. I hope it's not simply a pair of filters in the engine bay because that's only going to be good on a dyno with the hood open with fresh air being intaked.

Driving around = more cool air than the dyno bay with a fan...

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by O-cha

kW... My eyes are bleeding. Cannot process data.

lol

[ThomasMartin]

Originally Posted by grkm3

Finally more people are seeing what Ihave seen for the past year.Shiv always posts a hype dyno right around when a new tuner comes in.He did it with AA,TT,SS and now right when jim c steped in Shiv busted out a 390whp dyno that no one will ever have.

I have just searced the xede archives and there plenty of cars making over 340-350whp...add an intake to those and you in the 360-370 ohh wait Shiv already broke 400whp with an xede lol buy his v3 for 370whp when his first piggy back could of made it.

At what altitude are those dynos done?
Can you fairly compare them to a dyno done at 5500ft in blistering hot weather you probably never see that side of the world

I didnt creat this post for you guys to start bashing the Procede!!!

Im comparing apples with apples and they show brilliant gains

[ThomasMartin]

Originally Posted by O-cha

kW... My eyes are bleeding. Cannot process data.


Have you ever done some speed logging, with and without the dual cone?

M&M gained 16 WHP with the dual cone install i have just asked him to post his dyno without them, for you guys that get confused easy His car constantly got numbers of 217kw - 222 kw at this dyno without the dual cones, tonight the first dyno with the dual cones installed he made 234kw thats an increase of 12 kw on his first dyno with them in.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

Driving around = more cool air than the dyno bay with a fan...

No it doesn't actually. That area gets hardly any fresh air, and you can forget about the stock intake track providing any, without a pressure difference no air will go through that.

[grkm3]

Originally Posted by ThomasMartin

At what altitude are those dynos done?
Can you fairly compare them to a dyno done at 5500ft in blistering hot weather you probably never see that side of the world

I didnt creat this post for you guys to start bashing the Procede!!!

Im comparing apples with apples and they show brilliant gains

why dont you use the sae correction factor,that is what its made for...ohh and I questioned Shiv when he kept on using the std standard.I have never seen a car make more power using sae than std,using std was another way to inflate the numbers.Go over to bimmerforums and post up std numbers and see what they tell you.

In every case I have seen sae put down lower numbers.Shiv says the car compenstes for altitude so your numbers are inline with ours

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by grkm3

Im sorry for being neutroland seeing everything from an unbaised basis.you do know Shiv had a map for the xede to make these gains right?The v2 was sooo over hyped bro.its not a joke he put down every other tuner and even the AA xede after he stopped using it.

I will admit Im wrong when I see the whole board get 390whp on 91oct with his last dyno he posted.

Do you honestly think those are reliable numbers?

he switched to procede because it can do more... so not sure what your point is. i do honestly think that a board member with intake, Riss downpipes, vishnu exhaust, and the 2.1 map will see 390whp on 91 octane, yes. I have dyno'd an evo 8, and evo 9, and will soon dyno my 335i with him and every time I have gotten as much power as him. The key is to follow instructions and use the right parts... some magnaflow custom exhaust and jobber dp's, a drop in filter, and incorrectly tq mapped v2 won't make the same power as following the simple steps he lays out for us to make the same power he does. Dual cone intake, RISS dp's, vishnu exhaust, 2.1, it will be there but it is also relatively inaccurate comparing different dynos~ look at the gains

[bmwzimmer]

Originally Posted by E90ice

Even on their official web site they claim 400-410 hp stock with V2 ONLY. How much is that?

6AT = 345-348whp

6MT = 350-356whp

Please show me a STOCK V2 335 that made those numbers? Except for the one that Vishnu owns, of course.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...6&postcount=77

Here you go

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by O-cha

No it doesn't actually. That area gets hardly any fresh air, and you can forget about the stock intake track providing any, without a pressure difference no air will go through that.

Am I to believe you have sat in that area under your hood while you drove around or would i be better off looking at my grill area and deciding for myself?

[grkm3]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

he switched to procede because it can do more... so not sure what your point is. i do honestly think that a board member with intake, Riss downpipes, vishnu exhaust, and the 2.1 map will see 390whp on 91 octane, yes. I have dyno'd an evo 8, and evo 9, and will soon dyno my 335i with him and every time I have gotten as much power as him. The key is to follow instructions and use the right parts... some magnaflow custom exhaust and jobber dp's, a drop in filter, and incorrectly tq mapped v2 won't make the same power as following the simple steps he lays out for us to make the same power he does. Dual cone intake, RISS dp's, vishnu exhaust, 2.1, it will be there but it is also relatively inaccurate comparing different dynos~ look at the gains

See your dual cone intake is only good for a good dyno queen,once you shut the hood it will kill your power in the real world.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

Am I to believe you have sat in that area under your hood while you drove around or would i be better off looking at my grill area and deciding for myself?

If you really want to know I would suggest you pop your hood and take a look. Tell me where the air has a path from any of the front intakes over the cone filters and then out? It's not going to go out toward the top back of the hood where the windshield is, that is a high pressure area and relatively sealed off from the engine area. Then get under the car and start taking off the bottom covers and you will know.

[ThomasMartin]

Originally Posted by grkm3

why dont you use the sae correction factor,that is what its made for...ohh and I questioned Shiv when he kept on using the std standard.I have never seen a car make more power using sae than std,using std was another way to inflate the numbers.Go over to bimmerforums and post up std numbers and see what they tell you.

In every case I have seen sae put down lower numbers.Shiv says the car compenstes for altitude so your numbers are inline with ours

Nope the loss for my altitude is roughly 20% and the car only compensates for around 8%-10% of it as there are restrictions on these little turbos hence the fact that i add 10% for altitude correction and not 20% as is the loss for being at 5500ft

If i added the full 20% that i lose being at 5500ft my numbers would be 391WHP and 485WTQ lmao

Another thing is and this is very important!! The reason you lose power at altitude is "less air" there for dual cones will help us up here even more than at sea level!!!