E90Post
 


 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Powertrain and Drivetrain Discussions > N54 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications - 335i > New TT v8 in e92/e90?



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-22-2008, 12:04 PM   #23
2K5 325i
srsly *****'n!
United_States
11
Rep
162
Posts

Drives: 2007/8 TiAg 335i 'Vert
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Atlanta GA & Boulder Colorado

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Driver72 View Post
Who wants a low revving M engine!?!? I do I do.

Not.
-Chris
__________________

Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 12:08 PM   #24
Driver72
Brigadier General
351
Rep
4,484
Posts

Drives: 335i - to new owners now.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmwzimmer View Post
Driver72, X6 has a 4.0L TT.
Same displacement as the M3 but with 2 turbos and more piping. Heck if a 5.0L V10 fits in there, why wouldn't this fit?

I thought it was a 4.4 TT??

Either way, see my earlier post. It's the width and height.
5.0 V10 is smaller in overall dimensions.
Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 12:19 PM   #25
Sniz
Lieutenant General
Sniz's Avatar
682
Rep
10,584
Posts

Drives: e92 335 - gone // e36 M3 turbo
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Ellicott City, MD

iTrader: (1)

just because the Z06 motor...the LS7 is 7 liters does not mean its a wide motor. With chevy smallblocks the dimensions do not change with different displacements. you probably could make it fit somehow.....that would be AWESOME.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 12:38 PM   #26
e90AW335i
Major General
United_States
144
Rep
6,608
Posts

Drives: e90 335i
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: ......

iTrader: (4)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniz View Post
.....that would be AWESOME.
+1, I was just trying to think of the craziest engine you could try to put in there, and the LS7 came to mind....
__________________
I install all tunes, intakes, o2 simms, and most cosmetic mods. PM me for a quote.
Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 12:43 PM   #27
bmwzimmer
Major
bmwzimmer's Avatar
41
Rep
1,084
Posts

Drives: 335
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 91 octane states

iTrader: (0)

I'll take a 7Krpm 4.0L TT engine if it made 500whp and 500tq. over a 414hp 300tq NA engine that revs to 8400rpms any day.
Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 12:45 PM   #28
K335i
Private
K335i's Avatar
United_States
0
Rep
59
Posts

Drives: '09 E92 M3
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Redmond, WA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Driver72 View Post
I thought it was a 4.4 TT??

Either way, see my earlier post. It's the width and height.
5.0 V10 is smaller in overall dimensions.
Driver72 is correct - in particular, this engine is very tall. BMW placed the turbos in the valley between the cyldiner banks. This helps reduce the overall bulk, but it does make the engine quite tall. Check out this link for more information:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/21/d...turbo-4-4l-v8/
Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 12:45 PM   #29
bmwzimmer
Major
bmwzimmer's Avatar
41
Rep
1,084
Posts

Drives: 335
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: 91 octane states

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Driver72 View Post
I thought it was a 4.4 TT??

Either way, see my earlier post. It's the width and height.
5.0 V10 is smaller in overall dimensions.
go to bmwusa.com
Some of the engine Details are available.
Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 01:38 PM   #30
jadeddjay
Major
jadeddjay's Avatar
United_States
118
Rep
1,441
Posts

Drives: e92 335i, f10 m5 comp
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: jackson, ms

iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2007 e92 335i  [0.00]
i wonder if the fmic or fmoc fromt he v8 will be a relatively easy retrofit into the 335i chassis?

what turbos are being used in the v8?
Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 02:17 PM   #31
Driver72
Brigadier General
351
Rep
4,484
Posts

Drives: 335i - to new owners now.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sniz View Post
just because the Z06 motor...the LS7 is 7 liters does not mean its a wide motor. With chevy smallblocks the dimensions do not change with different displacements. you probably could make it fit somehow.....that would be AWESOME.
Well it does if the bore is larger.

If you increase an engine size from 6.0 liters to 7.0 liters and it's done via a longer stroke, the engine will likely be taller, if they want to keep the same thickness to the block and so forth.

If it's done via a larger bore, they would surely need a thicker cylinder wall, again unless they had a super thick wall in the 6.0 that allowed them to bore out the cylinders to 7.0 without sacrificing wall strength.
Otherwise a thick wall and stronger supporting parts would be necessary making the engine's dimensions larger.

And just because a 5.0 liter v10 would fit doesn't mean a 7.0 liter V8 would for those wondering.
It would depend again on the angle of the "V"

A 5.0 V10 has .5 liters per cylinder.
A 7.0 V8 has .875 liters per cylinder.

So the V8's cylinders have to be wider, longer, or both.
More than likely they are both longer and wider in the 7.0 V8
Since it's the not the length (front bumper to firewall) that's the issue (since the I6 is surely longer than both the v10 and v8) again it's the height and width that's the issue.

I would suspect the 7.0 V8 is wider than the 5.0 V10.
But that would depend again on the angle of the "V"
Having larger cylinders in the 7.0 V8 than the 5.0 V10 has, I'd imagine the V8 has a wider angle "V" and is therefore wider.
Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 02:28 PM   #32
Driver72
Brigadier General
351
Rep
4,484
Posts

Drives: 335i - to new owners now.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmwzimmer View Post
go to bmwusa.com
Some of the engine Details are available.
Yeah, I'm sure with a bit of research it would be easy to find the dimensions of the v10 and other engines for comparos.

But again, without a gaping hood scoop/bulge and a low ground clearance I'm sure the new 4.4 TT would be too tall (and possibly to wide) to fit in a 3 series.

Furthermore, I'd bet it weighs more than the 5.0 V10 as well.
It would make the 3 series incredibly front heavy.

It will surely fit in the 5 series and with the use of more aluminum in the front end of the 5 series, they could easily make it's weight distribution acceptable to BMW (52-53% out front max).

I'm still curious to see how they are going to keep that engine cool with two turbos sitting in the valley of the "V" at the TOP of the engine.

If this engine does make it into the 5 and 6 series (which has been the rumor for months) and replaces the 550i (which it likely will) and is priced not much higher than the outgoing 550i, it will be a solid car.

As I guessed many months ago, I bet they call it the 555i
Appreciate 0
      01-22-2008, 06:29 PM   #33
lm1z
Major
lm1z's Avatar
202
Rep
1,278
Posts

Drives: 2017 GT350
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Frisco, TX

iTrader: (22)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Driver72 View Post
Yeah, I'm sure with a bit of research it would be easy to find the dimensions of the v10 and other engines for comparos.

But again, without a gaping hood scoop/bulge and a low ground clearance I'm sure the new 4.4 TT would be too tall (and possibly to wide) to fit in a 3 series.

Furthermore, I'd bet it weighs more than the 5.0 V10 as well.
It would make the 3 series incredibly front heavy.

It will surely fit in the 5 series and with the use of more aluminum in the front end of the 5 series, they could easily make it's weight distribution acceptable to BMW (52-53% out front max).

I'm still curious to see how they are going to keep that engine cool with two turbos sitting in the valley of the "V" at the TOP of the engine.

If this engine does make it into the 5 and 6 series (which has been the rumor for months) and replaces the 550i (which it likely will) and is priced not much higher than the outgoing 550i, it will be a solid car.

As I guessed many months ago, I bet they call it the 555i
If this engine makes its way into the 5....
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:42 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST