[shragon]

nutz!!

can't wait to see the completed project.

[D.D.]

Originally Posted by ben1364

Question? Is your turbo kit sanctioned by BMW NA and does it affect the vehicle warranty?

He is kidding....Right???

[ben1364]

Actually DD, I wasn't kidding. DINAN (for example) is sanctioned by BMW NA as it's products have met BMW's standards. BMW NA and AG are not adverse to aftermarket parts per see.

[HPF Chris]

Originally Posted by ben1364

Actually DD, I wasn't kidding. DINAN (for example) is sanctioned by BMW NA as it's products have met BMW's standards. BMW NA and AG are not adverse to aftermarket parts per see.

I do have some friends that were very high up at BMW. They want to market and distribute this kit over in Europe independently of BMW. I see no real reason that BMW NA would want to promote this product as they won't want any liability.

Regarding warranty... My #1 priority in developing this kit was to retain all of the factory components so that in the event that a warranty claim existed for any reason (and/or unrelated reasons) that the car could be put back to factory specs quite easily. And we've accomplished this task.

Take care,
Chris.

[obLu]

Dinan's the *ONLY* aftermarket supplier sanctioned by BMW NA. AG likes ACS. But I've still heard plenty of horror stories of individual dealers refusing to work on cars with Dinan parts.

Also, that might be why Dinan parts are so outrageously expensive; he may have to pay a "licensing" fee on each part he sells. Or pay BMW NA to get them "certified".

[DTM]

I'm curious if the electronics simply control the turbocharger, or do they also hook up to the engine computer, and control valve timing and Double VANOS and all that bullshit. What "electronics" are we talking about?

[ksfrogman]

No need to reduce the compression ratio before turbocharging?

[mwilli]

Yes and how much boost are you running 6-8psi? High compression has always been a stumbling block for boosting BMW's

[ZenDriver]

Dinan's program with BMW is a bit of smoke and mirrors. While I am not familiar with the exact agreement between Dinan and BMW NA, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act protects BMW owners from BMW denying warranty coverage due to the instillation of after-market parts. Put simply, the Magnuson-Moss effectively says that it is the onus of the warranty provider to reasonably prove that it was an after-market component which caused the warranty provider's product to fail if they are to deny warranty coverage.

For example; if I install after-market software onto my car's ECU and the transmission fails, BMW would need to prove that it was the engine software which somehow caused the failure. Now, BMW could probably theoretically do this (they could dyno the car and state that the chipped engine is now outputting more power then the transmission is rated to handle). Having said that, BMW is not very motivated to do this sort of thing and it us usually far easier for all involved when BMW simply provides proper warranty coverage.

What Dinan has *really* done is to basically establish a relationship with BMW where as all of the warranty issues are handled transparently to the vehicle owner. All Joe Blow Dinan/BMW owner needs to do to get his M3 fixed is take it into the dealership and if it was the Dinan part which caused the failure, Dinan pays the bill and the client is none the wiser. Mind you, this sort of deal has significant infrastructure behind it to make the warranty coverage transparent, but in the end, the BMW warranty is NOT affected by Dinan in any way; Dinan has simply established that they will pick up where the warranty left off.

Dinan is NOT *sanctioned* by BMW of North America. Dinan parts *ARE NOT* certified by BMW NA in any way, shape or form. BMW warranty coverage *IS IDENTICAL* between Dinan parts and Turner parts and ACS parts and any other company's parts.

Dinan parts are outrageously expensive because Dinan (while they have a very good engineering staff) does not have any sort of economy of scale. H&R makes springs all day long so the R&D, tooling and production costs for H&R to build a spring for a particular vehicle are very low. Dinan engineers everything, so they do not get the same efficiencies as H&R. Replace the H&R/suspension analogy with just about every component catagory and you get an idea of why Dinan parts cost so much.

[BMW_E90]

nice, ive been waiting for force induction for the e90. that intercooler does look pretty badass.

[timzerofive]

I was under the impression that Dinan parts still will void BMW warranty, but they simply match the BMW warranty so your car is still under warranty, just under Dinan and not BMW.

[Ryan@Motorwerks]

Just one question: will it pass emission tests?? Thanks Horsepowerfreak!!

[EVO_S4]

nice, but $10K is to much for me

[J330i]

Just trade in your 325/330 for a 335 if and when it comes out. Take the 10G trade in hit and you won't have to worry about voiding warranty, etc. Plus, you have another year of warranty and equity.

Just my $0.02.

[kt157]

lets see 1 of these run against a turbocharged is300 and a e46 m3

[HPF Chris]

Our stage one kits will run roughly 8psi. We will be monitoring knock very closely. We're looking to make a safe 300-350hp. Our stage 2 will use the same turbo but will include a head gasket to drop the compression down. This option will make well over 400hp with the increased boost. The stage 2 kit will not be available until later this year, and will be an upgrade option for those that already purchased the stage 1 kits.

I will continue to push my 330 and 530 and continue to provide options for those that want power in excess of 500hp.

I would like all stage one customers to be able to pass DEQ and this of course will be one of the tests.

These kits include a ton of components. Everything from a custom motor mount to a complete intake and intercooler system. It also includes a custom MAF harness and relocation kit, wiring harnesses, etc. etc. etc. The manifold design is entirely custom and is unlike nearly all other manifolds as the runners actually protrude past the flange directly into the exhaust ports and are sealed off with o-rings. This car literally has 6 oxygen sensors in it!!

This project was very very complicated but the end result will be well worth it. A completely daily driveable, reliable, high horsepower luxury sedan.

Chris.

[sunchild]

Thrilled, very.

[ben1364]

ZenDriver stated the obvious. <g>

[RichP]

Looks interesting, although, you guys have completed, by far, the easiest stage of the project: the hardware.

I have been around BMW forced induction for 6-7 years now, and these cars do not take to FI well in any sort of tuning sense, especially the E46 (and it can be assumed the E90) While, in theory, its simple, and the ECU should want to play nice with extra air/extra fuel, the ECU completely freaks out with any deviant from the norm. Its going to be upset with the 6 O2 sensors, regardless of what black box you use to make them appear as 2 signals. Its going to run lean in all sorts of part/no throttle situations. Its going to go into limp mode as soon as that turbo pulls ANY air through the MAF sensor and the "throttle" is closed, which FI cars do. (Throttle closed + air through maf = ECU sensing electronic throttle/Valvetronic failure)

I dont mean to come across too negative, LOL. I would like for nothing more than to see this kit work, and work beautifully!

[poldim]

Hope all goes well...I know that hardware is the easiest part of it. I spent years research, bought it isntalled it, and then spent years tunning it....

[timzerofive]

Originally Posted by RichP

Looks interesting, although, you guys have completed, by far, the easiest stage of the project: the hardware.

I have been around BMW forced induction for 6-7 years now, and these cars do not take to FI well in any sort of tuning sense, especially the E46 (and it can be assumed the E90) While, in theory, its simple, and the ECU should want to play nice with extra air/extra fuel, the ECU completely freaks out with any deviant from the norm. Its going to be upset with the 6 O2 sensors, regardless of what black box you use to make them appear as 2 signals. Its going to run lean in all sorts of part/no throttle situations. Its going to go into limp mode as soon as that turbo pulls ANY air through the MAF sensor and the "throttle" is closed, which FI cars do. (Throttle closed + air through maf = ECU sensing electronic throttle/Valvetronic failure)

I dont mean to come across too negative, LOL. I would like for nothing more than to see this kit work, and work beautifully!

Sounds like all these could be solved simply by using a full standalone... but of course, thats the hard part. You're right though, tuning is the bitch part, that's why I wanted to find out what type of fms they'll be using. I had AEM EMS on my old car and that thing is amazing, but still, lots of laptop hours.

The price of under $10k will be extremely good for a BMW kit that's tuned. I'm guessing after all the tuning hours are tacked on, that price might creep up. I mean if you guys look at the kid relative to other cars kit... my old car's custom kit cost me a total of about $15k. A Greddy kit for 350Z twin turbo is about $7k and a Powerhouse kit for that car is $9k.

[lux.sh]

Awesome stuff Horsepowerfreaks.

I need to talk to Sean, see if he can hook me up with a good price on this kit.
what is the estimated(goal) price & power figure on this?