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      01-19-2016, 12:45 AM   #23
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Since I'm getting your tune (same time as Peteys), also adding in an AEM meth kit, with a 200psi pump and a 500 or 1000cc nozzle. Which size nozzle do you recommend me using? It has a progressive module that ranges from starting 10-15psi and ends in 20-40psi. I mostly would be running a 50/50 mix, but I can vary it as I please.
The the additive reservoir is not very large, how long does it last ?
10psi exeeds quite easily.
You must add that mixture every day ?
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The the additive reservoir is not very large, how long does it last ?
10psi exeeds quite easily.
You must add that mixture every day ?
I haven't done anything with it yet. I was just stating off the specifications of the kit so Bob can give me a better answer on what I should do.
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      01-19-2016, 03:28 PM   #25
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It all depends on a few factors, sprayer size, when the injection starts and how much you stay in WOT. Aggressive drivers with a 1000cc nozzle can go through a gallon in a week, average joe with the a 500cc can go 3 weeks and anything less than a 500cc and a conservative driver can go more than a month or two.
Can you recommend a product to +500hp and ~700hp diesel ?
And what kind of parts do I possibly need ?
One nozzle - or 6, do the mixture mix evely with only one nozzle ?
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Here is how I mounted my pump.



Had to recess the mount in the bumper for clearance.



Welded and tapped



Pump mounted



Bumper mounted.

I really like this install, but it will be a pain in the A$$ if I have to do any maintenance to the pump. I will have to pull the bumper cover to do anything.

As far as meth use, I am running about a 440cc nozzle for now. Meth starts at 22psi boost. and maxes out at 30. I am using the windshield washer reservoir, which is about 1.5 gal. I know I have gone through at least 3 fill ups without my low indicator coming on. This will be changing, as I will be adding a second nozzle or getting a single in the 880cc range.
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      01-19-2016, 04:56 PM   #27
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It all depends on a few factors, sprayer size, when the injection starts and how much you stay in WOT. Aggressive drivers with a 1000cc nozzle can go through a gallon in a week, average joe with the a 500cc can go 3 weeks and anything less than a 500cc and a conservative driver can go more than a month or two.
Can you recommend a product to +500hp and ~700hp diesel ?
And what kind of parts do I possibly need ?
One nozzle - or 6, do the mixture mix evely with only one nozzle ?
Look at pulling tractors and pulling trucks.. Those have the most complex water injection systems. Take what you see and use your imagination.. Put a couple nozzles for every cylinder if you like. The best options for something like this is always 'redneck engineering' .. Best advice I have is 'baby steps' and don't inject too much water too soon
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      01-19-2016, 08:09 PM   #28
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My opinion is that all additives belongs to race track.
Somehow it feels quite artificial.
You get what you get with diesel only and thats it.
... Or maybe I am just so limited ...
Without a turbo, it is called natural aspiration. So, I guess we are starting with an unnatural situation.

Methanol is a fuel that combusts faster than diesel. It makes more power per unit of energy at high load and rpm (better conversion). It extends AFR by decreasing smoke limit. Injected in the air stream it displaces air and cools it. Intercooling effect and oxygenation tends to be stronger than air displacement loss.

Water is just a coolant. Injected in the air stream, it increases soot. Emulsified with diesel it does not increase soot. It has a high heat of evaporation and liquid to gas expansion ratio. This means water takes heat out of the combustion process and effectively turns it into pressure. It slows down the rate of combustion.

You like to use air as a coolant. For the same HP level, you must use more of the engine's power to push sufficient air. Internal Mean Effective Pressure must be greater and therefore greater stress must be put on the engine.

Unfortunately, the control of water and methanol injection is not well thought out by the industry. Implementation of control is even worse. On the other hand, diesel fuel control is infinitely better. Given present circumstance, any preference to pump up the boost and sacrifice some ultimate HP in exchange for control and reliability, seems to be a reasonable compromise. On the racetrack, the compromise may not be acceptable. Further, you are typically making a custom system so the issues of store bought solutions is not relevant.

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      01-20-2016, 01:04 AM   #29
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Everything looks good, I suggest to provide some kind of prices for people to know!
Im looking for stage 2+ for a straight pipe turbo back...
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The best options for something like this is always 'redneck engineering' ...
The best in pulling really are scientists and clever fabricators. If you look at the data logging these folks are doing, it'd pretty hard to call it redneck. They develop their cylinder heads on flowbenches and model their camshafts on a computer. But, I get what you are saying. It is homegrown, not going to come from Amazon.com. To some, redneck means trial and error, with a lot of error. That is not how the best do it, not any more. With the exception of F1, I'd put these folks even with anyone in motorsport.
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The best options for something like this is always 'redneck engineering' ...
The best in pulling really are scientists and clever fabricators. If you look at the data logging these folks are doing, it'd pretty hard to call it redneck. They develop their cylinder heads on flowbenches and model their camshafts on a computer. But, I get what you are saying. It is homegrown, not going to come from Amazon.com. To some, redneck means trial and error, with a lot of error. That is not how the best do it, not any more. With the exception of F1, I'd put these folks even with anyone in motorsport.
High tech rednecks.. You don't need to be stupid to be a redneck, homegrown is the proper term. Redneck is more of a lifestyle choice jajaja
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High tech rednecks.. ...
These are my favorite type of people. I think there's a fair number of us on this forumn... Maybe we should start a Redneck's Anonymous club?

Hello, my name is TDIwyse and I'm a Redneck.
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(All together), "Hi, TDIwyse."
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Hello. My name is QUIKDZL. I'm a husband, father, Christian, engineer, gearhead...and I'm a redneck.
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I resemble that remark.
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my install is similar
because the pump in the engine compartment using washer reservoir didn't flow properly for me.
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      01-30-2016, 06:37 PM   #38
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Had a few asking for an exhaust sound bite with the factory exhaust with down pipe and gutted SCR. Here you go. Hope the link works.

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ahhhhhhhhh uuu so funny with cummins, sounds good even with the stock mufflers. Looks like you need the open CCV mod!
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Had a few asking for an exhaust sound bite with the factory exhaust with down pipe and gutted SCR. Here you go. Hope the link works.

Sounds just like mine! Honestly, I don't see any reason to change the exhaust on these once the dpf and scr is out, perfect, just the right tone not too loud
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