[sirdaft1]

Originally Posted by pits200

I've got a set on order, should be here in a few weeks.

Tony definitely gets worked up pretty fast but all I care about is the product and his turbos are what I feel is the best option on the market at this time.

I actually feel it's important for an owner to be passionate about their product vs. competing products/companies. I'd rather have someone who cares too much about their company than someone who is lax.

Even when they lie through their teeth constantly??? The Internet is a beautiful thing. It documents everything a person has posted. Go visit the other forum (the only other one Vargas is still allowed on), and read some of his past posts. The dude is a maniacal liar. Be warned.

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

Most haters haven't even used the the product. Take opinions with a grain of salt and only from firsthand people with experience.

Forums and their reviews and other information can be severely misleading, down right incorrect and be regurgitated with false truths; sometimes even unknowingly by the naysayer.

Jeff I generally appreciate your comments on the forum, but I have to call this one out. You have a financially vested interest in saying what you just did to try and protect the Vargas brand, as you sell their turbos and inlets - exclusively it appears - directly on your website.

As for the "Vargas haters"... it only takes one small dose of Vargas's unappreciative, arrogant, vapid comments on these forums (not E90post as he's been banned due to some of these comments) to make one realize that this guy is a joker who doesn't deserve their hard earned dough.

And you guys really should start offering alternative companies turbo's and accessories for the N54 on your website. I think you may underestimate how hungry this platform is for anyone elses turbos but Vargas's (can we say Hexon or Pure???). Oh no... please tell me that Vargas didn't smooze you into an exclusivity agreement as well?? lol

And don't worry, I still like you guys.

[nikitino25]

What exactly has VTT lied about? Any specific examples? I'm not a fanboy and his forum demeanor could use some improvent for sure but his twin turbo products seem legit. Not so much his stage 3 kit though

[TrollToll]

Originally Posted by nikitino25

What exactly has VTT lied about? Any specific examples? I'm not a fanboy and his forum demeanor could use some improvent for sure but his twin turbo products seem legit. Not so much his stage 3 kit though

He had a customer blow two sets of vtt turbos a while back and Tony created a thread blaming Wedge for a bad tune. In reality, the first set failed while using a jb4, the second set failed with a wedge tune, and all along there was a fueling issue that Tony was trying to hide. He had logs but refused to post them because it would have proved he was full of shit.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by sirdaft1

Even when they lie through their teeth constantly??? The Internet is a beautiful thing. It documents everything a person has posted. Go visit the other forum (the only other one Vargas is still allowed on), and read some of his past posts. The dude is a maniacal liar. Be warned.





Jeff I generally appreciate your comments on the forum, but I have to call this one out. You have a financially vested interest in saying what you just did to try and protect the Vargas brand, as you sell their turbos and inlets - exclusively it appears - directly on your website.

As for the "Vargas haters"... it only takes one small dose of Vargas's unappreciative, arrogant, vapid comments on these forums (not E90post as he's been banned due to some of these comments) to make one realize that this guy is a joker who doesn't deserve their hard earned dough.

And you guys really should start offering alternative companies turbo's and accessories for the N54 on your website. I think you may underestimate how hungry this platform is for anyone elses turbos but Vargas's (can we say Hexon or Pure???). Oh no... please tell me that Vargas didn't smooze you into an exclusivity agreement as well?? lol

And don't worry, I still like you guys.

I'd be happy to explain.

I think there are quite a few assumptions already being made.

First and foremost, we are not exclusive to any manufacturer.

We'd be happy to offer other Turbo Brands, keep in mind it's not as easy as just adding their products. They need to want us and we need to want them as well as other criteria.

Pure and Hexon are something I've looked into and the ball is actually in their court now.

We used to sell MMP and RB but have since removed them.

My point and my only point whether it's VTT or anyone else is that people regurgitate false truths and a few select cases. It gets a little old and tiring when there are less then a dozen cases of the 100's and 100's of turbo's he sells where the is a problem.

ALL companies have problems. There are people who hate on the best manufacturers in the business, because they had a problem.

ALL companies will make mistakes. ALL companies will have bad batches. ALL companies do have some inherent failure rate.

Tony has been rough around the edges on the forums. I'm not going to say he hasn't been. At the same time as someone else mentioned he is pretty passionate about his product and he gets pretty defensive and takes it personally.

I have to say, I can't blame him. Albeit it not being the best approach. There is a certain thing about it that reminds me of how I'd react. I work with many manufactures and some who I'd even call friends. We all take stuff remarked about our company or service personally.

That being said, yea some improvements can be made. But I'll tell you what, I've removed many companies from my site whether they did me wrong and/or my customers wrong.

There is not one dime vested/invested into VTT. I'm not exclusive to them. I know he doesn't have the most popular track record. I know defending him doesn't make me look that great but if you want to know anything about me it's that I'm not going to sugar coat it.

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon of hating on VTT too. He hasn't done me wrong and he hasn't done any of my customers wrong yet either. When he does, I'll expect it to be corrected. If it's not, we'll remove his products, it's that simple.

I'm not someone who is going to sleep well at night knowing we are selling a bunch of a guys products and cleaning up in $$$ and screwing people over. That's not how I roll. Anyone who knows me knows I'm a straight to the point this is what you get mentality.

If you want to know if XYZ product is good or crap, I'll be the firs to let you know, even if the other product nets me less profit or I don't even sell it. I've talked myself out of many sales over the years by giving people too much information and confusing them even more with a plethora of information that was probably irrelevant or unnecessary for their needs or talked them into something I don't sell because it fit their needs better.

I'm not a salesmen. Never told myself I was, never pretended to be one. I'm just an enthusiast who offers parts.

Anyway, now I got off on a tangent. All I'm trying to say and this is with regards to any product; let the people with personal experience chime in. Then factor in how much of that is the majority of people. Is this a rare occurrence? Was this old news? Has the company changed it's ways?

For instance, I'm a buyer like anyone else, I shop on amazon, ebay and other websites. I'll look at reviews. I'll look and see what's going on. If the negative remarks keep coming in with the similar story and the majority hit that same problem it very well may likely be true.

However, if I see a company with a 4.5 out of 5 stars. Everyone is happy and I get that one outliar that is like "Yea these people suck".... I'm not exactly too sure that is the majority or reason to stop working with them.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Keep in mind I can only say so much on the forums without risking ban myself.

If anyone wants the cold truth, unbiased whatever, I'm a phone call away on any product, manufacturer or whatever (Off the record).

I apologize in advanced for the improper grammar and typos.

[V.I.335is]

Really was looking forward to getting a set of these "GC" turbos , but from reading all the stuff I've read about VTT, I think skip the headache and worrying and get the Pure n54 stage 2's

[ferocity02]

Originally Posted by Torgus

They are 100% made by zage. He didn't even developed them. He took their beta set and dyno ed them and then made a group buy all while claiming he made these. He is a massive compulsive liar as well as super sketchy and a general dick. Buyer beware. Just look at some of the horror stories on this forum regarding him.

With at least 3 other offerings from known good companies coming to market soon why anyone would buy zage turbos is beyond me.

What is your source for this information? Not doubting you, just curious how you heard this.

[terryd5150]

Stop holding back, Torgus.

Tell us how you really feel.

[whosdady]

We are all entitled to our own opinions. VTT would be the last company I would purchase turbos from. I'm surprised that after numerous failures, (and blaming others for his mistakes) that he still has distributors...

For the record, my opinion comes as a previous VTT customer...

[marcvtec]

Good luck buying anything from VTT.
Tony is a cameraman, not a turbo guy.
His moral lack of delivering quality turbos is beyond this planet.
My opinion, been there done that, never again.

VTT is a shitbox, i've personally seen numerous testing in beta and end turbo's by some very popular people and companies,
Ask Dzenno @ PTF if he would ever runs these, lol.
Leave it at that.

[TrollToll]

Originally Posted by marcvtec

Good luck buying anything from VTT.
Tony is a cameraman, not a turbo guy.
His moral lack of delivering turbos is beyond this planet.
My opinion, been there done that, never again.

VTT is a shitbox, i've personally seen numerous testing in beta and end turbo's by some very popular people and companies,
Ask Dzenno @ PTF if he would ever runs these, lol.
Leave it at that.

He may not be a good cameraman either, based on the number of jobs on his LinkedIn.

[marcvtec]

Originally Posted by Yournamehere90

He may not be a good cameraman either, based on the number of jobs on his LinkedIn.

well he is a good actor LOLOL,

[stanlalee]

Originally Posted by Torgus

They are 100% made by zage. He didn't even developed them. He took their beta set and dyno ed them and then made a group buy all while claiming he made these. He is a massive compulsive liar as well as super sketchy and a general dick. Buyer beware. Just look at some of the horror stories on this forum regarding him.

With at least 3 other offerings from known good companies coming to market soon why anyone would buy zage turbos is beyond me.

Every cast turbo on the market will be outsourced accordingly (even if hexxon makes their own they are what I consider in the same category: Asian manufactured with no OEM supplier muscle behind it). They don't have the volume to have competitive pricing having any of the OEM/major suppliers if they could even get them to do it. Borg Warner doesn't want an order of 20 every 6 months.

[sirdaft1]

For those of you who missed it tonight, Vargas was banned from the final forum that still allowed him. This dude was a full blown sociopath. There are dudes who are passionate about their businesses, but maintain the integrity of their brand. And then there are dudes who are pathological liars, who belittle and call their potential customers names, and who are self destructive. Tony was the later unfortunately.

I for one, will say that he will not be missed when he inevitably steps away from this platform for good. And I look forward to seeing the huge steps forward that we will see as the other players in the N54 turbo space step forward and compete with one another in a civil way.

[1BADM3]

YES! ^ Finally!

[BSM n54iS]

It's not only how he acted on the forums, but in life for a justifiable reason for people to jump on the 'Internet bandwagon' of badmouthing him I believe...

https://thedirty.com/gossip/hollywoo...el-is-in-jail/

From what I know this is true as I never saw a refute to it

[stanlalee]

Originally Posted by Black n54is

It's not only how he acted on the forums, but in life for a justifiable reason for people to jump on the 'Internet bandwagon' of badmouthing him I believe...

https://thedirty.com/gossip/hollywoo...el-is-in-jail/

From what I know this is true as I never saw a refute to it

Great same link for the 2000th time.

Business will probably improve. The less he talks the better. You guys realize EVERY car community has a guy like this. DSM/Evo guys have Buscher racing, VW/Audi has had various APR reps that have been over defensive and intrusive. They are all wildly successful despite developing a large hate following that make the same complaints you guys do. I'm sure GM and Ford have a shit load of like personalities. I don't mind bashing his behavior but the difference is you guys carry that over to product criticism which is mostly false. For the 15 years I've owned a VW I don't have enough fingers and toes to count forum reported Frankenturbo failures but that is still nothing when each shipment of turbos sell out within a few days each time. Vargas products are solid as far as non oem direct replacement upgraded turbos go. Mostly just nonsense thrown around about the general competency of his products based on dislike (which may be warranted) of the guy. Someday you guys might realize half the shit you own and half the people you admire are douches unbeknownst to you. There is no reason legitimate reason not to consider his products based on a community hate feast. With his personality he hasn't lasted this long on anything but competitive products. Bottom line is at the end of the day is smart to buy the best product for your situation. His personality isn't going to be bolted to your car.

[TrollToll]

Originally Posted by stanlalee

tl;dr Bottom line is at the end of the day is smart to buy the best product for your situation. His personality isn't going to be bolted to your car.

But you've got to deal with his personality if the turbos fail. Support is important, too.

[whosdady]

Originally Posted by CoreI5

YES! ^ Finally!

It was only a matter of time... He was like a ticking time bomb. Kind of like his turbos. One never knew when they would explode...

[Brule]

Originally Posted by nikitino25

What exactly has VTT lied about? Any specific examples? I'm not a fanboy and his forum demeanor could use some improvent for sure but his twin turbo products seem legit. Not so much his stage 3 kit though

He lied about his stage 2+ turbos.
The only reason the turbos made alot more power then anyone was because he had no inlets attached to his turbos.
He was marketing how good his turbos were but really he just had screens on his turbo, no inlets at all.

He's a liar and shouldn't be trusted.

Now he has the gc turbos that seem to be performing well. But how can you trust him.

[sirdaft1]

Originally Posted by stanlalee

Great same link for the 2000th time.

Business will probably improve. The less he talks the better. You guys realize EVERY car community has a guy like this. DSM/Evo guys have Buscher racing, VW/Audi has had various APR reps that have been over defensive and intrusive. They are all wildly successful despite developing a large hate following that make the same complaints you guys do. I'm sure GM and Ford have a shit load of like personalities. I don't mind bashing his behavior but the difference is you guys carry that over to product criticism which is mostly false. For the 15 years I've owned a VW I don't have enough fingers and toes to count forum reported Frankenturbo failures but that is still nothing when each shipment of turbos sell out within a few days each time. Vargas products are solid as far as non oem direct replacement upgraded turbos go. Mostly just nonsense thrown around about the general competency of his products based on dislike (which may be warranted) of the guy. Someday you guys might realize half the shit you own and half the people you admire are douches unbeknownst to you. There is no reason legitimate reason not to consider his products based on a community hate feast. With his personality he hasn't lasted this long on anything but competitive products. Bottom line is at the end of the day is smart to buy the best product for your situation. His personality isn't going to be bolted to your car.

What you may be forgetting is that he's threatened to leave this platform multiple times. He's even laid out in the past that his sales related to this platform don't keep the lights on for him, it's his industrial business that he inherited from him father that is the meat and potatoes.

I would expect that he'll either lose his forum presence and fade into obscurity or his lack of forum presence will literally force him to hold his tongue (as he should have been doing all along) and he'll become an option to some newer N54 owners who are new to the VTT brand.

[terryd5150]

Originally Posted by sirdaft1

What you may be forgetting is that he's threatened to leave this platform multiple times. He's even laid out in the past that his sales related to this platform don't keep the lights on for him, it's his industrial business that he inherited from him father that is the meat and potatoes.

I would expect that he'll either lose his forum presence and fade into obscurity or his lack of forum presence will literally force him to hold his tongue (as he should have been doing all along) and he'll become an option to some newer N54 owners who are new to the VTT brand.

I believe you're absolutely correct.

Tony's absence from the forums has the potential to boost his sales.

I say this considering that, without him, it will become the job of his distributors to represent his brand; those distributors are generally focused on product features, performance, quality & price point to generate sales.

Likewise, distributors tend to shy away from political and overt personal agendas as those activities tend to alienate potential customers.

That perspective is well-represented on the forums. Case, in point: consider Hexon.

They've managed a respectable customer base in a short amount of time through a distributor-only forum presence. They maintain no active, direct forum participation themselves.

Generating brand awareness falls solely upon the distribution network; and they do this quite well - professionally.

Pure Turbos takes a similar approach, stopping by only to post periodic product updates and R&D projects. Beyond this, they tap on the shoulders of a few, select distributors to help generate the sales funnel for their product lines.

Because of this approach, it's no surprise that these are two of the most popular turbo manufacturers in the N54 online community at the present moment.

Tony may have many talents when it comes to product design & manufacture; unfortunately, he's ill-equipped to manage the marketing of his own business (most people are).

By backing away from the forum table and letting the distributors "do his bidding", not only will the distributors create a better brand image for VTT than Tony's capable of providing, but Tony himself will be able to focus on his core competencies - innovative product design and inception.

Despite his divisive personality, as a large-scale, professional OEM manufacturer myself, I see genuine talent in Tony's overall body of product work and I respect that.

In the majority of my forum conversations with Tony, I've tried to help him see this perspective; my sincere hope for him is that he starts to internalize that message.

I believe that once he embraces the voice of the customer, he'll finally realize his true potential.

[BSM n54iS]

Originally Posted by stanlalee

Great same link for the 2000th time.

Business will probably improve. The less he talks the better. You guys realize EVERY car community has a guy like this. DSM/Evo guys have Buscher racing, VW/Audi has had various APR reps that have been over defensive and intrusive. They are all wildly successful despite developing a large hate following that make the same complaints you guys do. I'm sure GM and Ford have a shit load of like personalities. I don't mind bashing his behavior but the difference is you guys carry that over to product criticism which is mostly false. For the 15 years I've owned a VW I don't have enough fingers and toes to count forum reported Frankenturbo failures but that is still nothing when each shipment of turbos sell out within a few days each time. Vargas products are solid as far as non oem direct replacement upgraded turbos go. Mostly just nonsense thrown around about the general competency of his products based on dislike (which may be warranted) of the guy. Someday you guys might realize half the shit you own and half the people you admire are douches unbeknownst to you. There is no reason legitimate reason not to consider his products based on a community hate feast. With his personality he hasn't lasted this long on anything but competitive products. Bottom line is at the end of the day is smart to buy the best product for your situation. His personality isn't going to be bolted to your car.

Every car community has an owner of aftermarket products that beats woman? . Show me the police report for any products I have, and they'll be returned asap. I wasn't talking about his products, there are other members with first hand experience who have commented on that...and we mostly know what those comments are, more importantly I was referring to his actions as a man, and imo I wouldn't financially support the individual. This is a capitalist economy still with other options available for let's face it guys, a 1st world problem...upgrading turbos from non oem on a luxury vehicle. I think supporting an individual of this character is not right in the big picture of things.

However time is the ultimate test, case in point...ray rice has been overly regretful for his actions, continues to try and make things right with his family, Greg hardy not so much. (I know I just started a huge shit show debate, but still, that's my point.) Simply calling a guy a 'douche' for behavior that obviously crossed the line of how a decent man should act/set an example etc is not enough.

You're right on the point that so many other people that others may admire are dbags behind closed doors...I agree. But breaking the law in that fashion is unacceptable to me, maybe I'm just old school.