IT Salary

e92phreak · 03-18-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWE90

Perhaps PM Phuonger? He works as an IT director and can possibly hook you up with a job int he Bay Area.

Maybe I should send him my resume.

iPodAddict · 03-18-2008, 01:44 AM

I'm not a sysadmin but I have the necessary skills and experience to fill the shoes of one.

I'm more specialized in Exchange and BES.

Was offered a job in california, but then when lines of communication started to slow down they didn't want to pay for my relocation from canada.

Not even 4 days after that fiasco, I found a place super close to home in Toronto making more then what I anticipated originally and I have a lot of responsibility + self-time management (which was one of my requirements).

I show up to work to do some reading during the day [since everything is working constantly and is being monitored] and do maintenance on my servers at night or the weekends. Very layed back... although I think if I got a similar offer in cali, I'd probably jump on it... I'm getting sick and tired of winter every year in canada lol.

Maestro · 03-18-2008, 09:57 AM

Did not see anyone say this, but realize IT jobs these days are heading to India, those people get paid like $20K USD. I work for a Forture 500 company and we have very few US based IT folks the one that are here are the higher end, and system architectures type folks. All of our day to day systems admin are now in India. More and more companies are out sourcing the IT services to places like India.

ArmyBimmerDude · 03-18-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Maestro

Did not see anyone say this, but realize IT jobs these days are heading to India, those people get paid like $20K USD. I work for a Forture 500 company and we have very few US based IT folks the one that are here are the higher end, and system architectures type folks. All of our day to day systems admin are now in India. More and more companies are out sourcing the IT services to places like India.

Hmmm, I wonder how bad it is. I mean, there are job listings all over the internet(monster, dice, etc) so perhaps just the major major companies are outsourcing?

PresaMat · 03-19-2008, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Hmmm, I wonder how bad it is. I mean, there are job listings all over the internet(monster, dice, etc) so perhaps just the major major companies are outsourcing?

Yes some stuff is being outsourced but it is the lower end stuff. A company wants a good sysadmin to be on call and LOCAL. Texas job market is interesting. Depending on your skill set. If you are a windows person austin/dallas are the places to go. Dell is in Austin and so are a lot of other interesting companies. I wish my company was there... Austin is amazing.

jeveryday · 03-19-2008, 09:40 AM

Not really worried about the outsourcinf aspect. Most help desk positions are outsourced rather than sys admins, net admins and net engineers.

Maestro · 03-19-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Hmmm, I wonder how bad it is. I mean, there are job listings all over the internet(monster, dice, etc) so perhaps just the major major companies are outsourcing?

Be careful, some of those jobs are contract jobs, or working for some sort of body shop. My wife works in this industry of placing IT folks. Also, many times these job postings are just to collect resumes for just in case they have an open in the future.

If you have needed skills and you willing to work contract you can do pretty well, but not as well as it was 5 yrs ago when people IT contractors where getting 100K plus. The contract salaries have come down and become very competitive in the last few years. This is partly due to the outsourcing to India.

pdjafari · 03-19-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Maestro

Did not see anyone say this, but realize IT jobs these days are heading to India, those people get paid like $20K USD. I work for a Forture 500 company and we have very few US based IT folks the one that are here are the higher end, and system architectures type folks. All of our day to day systems admin are now in India. More and more companies are out sourcing the IT services to places like India.

the only jobs being outsourced to India that are IT related are help desk. When you get involved on a government contract which requries the government contractors to have security clearance, SF85/SF86 forms and polygraphs etc, and you can only hire US Citizens, well then theres no real need to worry about jobs jumping across the pond....

The federal government will not allow their employees SSNs, IBA/CBA credit card data, all other confidential data which is stored in the back end databases for contracts private companies support be handled by 'Jim' in Bandalabad....

tek818 · 03-19-2008, 02:28 PM

In LA... being an independent IT consultant is the way to go imho... FAWK working for the man. I'm 27, make nice 6 fig, call my own shots and do as I please. You just gotta know people...

b335i · 03-19-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tek818

In LA... being an independent IT consultant is the way to go imho... FAWK working for the man. I'm 27, make nice 6 fig, call my own shots and do as I please. You just gotta know people...

+100

pdjafari · 03-19-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tek818

In LA... being an independent IT consultant is the way to go imho... FAWK working for the man. I'm 27, make nice 6 fig, call my own shots and do as I please. You just gotta know people...

independent contractors are good if you just want to make money quick. No real benefits, no 401k, no pension. I will soon make close to 6 figures, but I get full benefits (medical/dental/vision), 401k where they match contributions up to 15%, AND i get a pension (like hte federal government employees) where my company takes 10% of my annual salary and deposits it into an account for retirement. You are vested after 3 years, and just imagine 10% of 10 year worth of your salary plus interest....

Free money, and more job security IMHO.

It's nice to be your own boss and everything, but once you get a management gig...your more/less your own boss

OC Guy · 03-19-2008, 04:24 PM

I think the IT market is cloudy at best. There are tons of unemployed people with great credentials. This especially applies to the Bay Area where you see tons of experienced people filling lower level jobs because the market is so saturated.

I do see VMWare going places though, just food for thought.

Taittinger · 03-19-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pdjafari

the only jobs being outsourced to India that are IT related are help desk. ....

No, our company uses Indian firms for app development, testing and qa.

OC Guy · 03-19-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Taittinger

No, our company uses Indian firms for app development, testing and qa.

This is quite common. I agree with your assessment that many jobs are being outsourced to India.

Even Desktop Support/Sys Admins believe it or not.

Hawkeye · 03-19-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OC 335i

This is quite common. I agree with your assessment that many jobs are being outsourced to India.

Even Desktop Support/Sys Admins believe it or not.

This is the whole reason I changed career paths 3 months before I graduated college

Don't even have to look for a job now! They come to me!

OC Guy · 03-19-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

This is the whole reason I changed career paths 3 months before I graduated college

Don't even have to look for a job now! They come to me!

Probably a good choice.

but what do u do?

pdjafari · 03-19-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OC 335i

This is quite common. I agree with your assessment that many jobs are being outsourced to India.

Even Desktop Support/Sys Admins believe it or not.

must be for small clients then. The Fed would never let their 'Sensitive/confidential' data be maintained by non US citizens let alone people oversea's. Federal government Identity thefts galore FTL

Typically in my experience jobs which are outsourced oversea's are done so when the project involved something not relating to national security...

I dont think any sort of data center or support jobs overseas would be complaint w/ any govt regulations, let alone meet any of GSA's requirements/NIST compliant...

But again I live in Metro DC which is the center of government contracts..Lockheed Martin, Northtrup Grumman, British Aerospace Engineering and many many others, first question they ask before you even get an interview is 'Are you a US Citizen' followed by 'are you clearable' for a Secret/Top Secret level clearance...

Clearances=job security and more $$

OC Guy · 03-19-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pdjafari

small clients then. Fed would never let their data be maintained by non US citizens let alone people oversea's. Federal government Identity thefts galore FTL

Not necessarily. I worked for some Fortune 500 companies that outsourced.

We get your point on Fed.

pdjafari · 03-19-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OC 335i

We get your point on Fed.

you sure, i can elaborate some more if u like

ArmyBimmerDude · 03-19-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pdjafari

you sure, i can elaborate some more if u like

You a GS or contractor?

pdjafari · 03-19-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

You a GS or contractor?

I work for EDS, we have a 10 year contract w/ GSA to provide an Etravel application to the federal government. More/less we provide a 'travelocity/expedia' service to federal government employees within agencies to consolidate their travel, expenses etc

cipher5 · 03-20-2008, 12:31 PM

Out of school experience I have almost 4 years. I'm an Executive Support analyst, basically, I do IT support for the CEO and his direct reports. There's more entailed in that, but at the low level, that's what I do. I'm making 85K+, with your skills and 10 yrs experience, you should definitely be over 100K. Then again I work for a fortune 100 company that highly values IT. This is in IL btw.

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cipher5 561 Rep 3,473 Posts Drives: 2020 Donington Grey X3M Comp Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (12)	Out of school experience I have almost 4 years. I'm an Executive Support analyst, basically, I do IT support for the CEO and his direct reports. There's more entailed in that, but at the low level, that's what I do. I'm making 85K+, with your skills and 10 yrs experience, you should definitely be over 100K. Then again I work for a fortune 100 company that highly values IT. This is in IL btw.
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