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      06-23-2016, 04:28 PM   #23
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those mods are good for how much hp? 650whp? 700whp? How are the transmission's not slipping in both cars?
25 psi is not 650 WHP. This is probably 575 whp at the most.
Sounds about right. I put down 582whp at 24psi on e85.

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those mods are good for how much hp? 650whp? 700whp? How are the transmission's not slipping in both cars?
25 psi is not 650 WHP. This is probably 575 whp at the most.
Sounds about right. I put down 582whp at 24psi on e85.

Good runs!
With what inlets? Seems like the Vargas, RB, VRSF etc aren't making nearly as much power as the TFT kit.
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those mods are good for how much hp? 650whp? 700whp? How are the transmission's not slipping in both cars?
25 psi is not 650 WHP. This is probably 575 whp at the most.
Sounds about right. I put down 582whp at 24psi on e85.

Good runs!
With what inlets? Seems like the Vargas, RB, VRSF etc aren't making nearly as much power as the TFT kit.
Sold the car already, but one of the first batches VTT inlets when I still had it.
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With what inlets? Seems like the Vargas, RB, VRSF etc aren't making nearly as much power as the TFT kit.
The TFT inlets are nice, no doubt about it, but you'd really want to see them compared to ours (or RB, or VRSF) on the same dyno before drawing too many conclusions.

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The TFT inlets are nice, no doubt about it, but you'd really want to see them compared to ours (or RB, or VRSF) on the same dyno before drawing too many conclusions.

Chris
From the dyno results I've seen posted, it seems like the passenger side inlets make more power than OEM location inlets at the same boost levels..


Maybe you can answer my question in this thread..

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1269910

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With what inlets? Seems like the Vargas, RB, VRSF etc aren't making nearly as much power as the TFT kit.
The TFT inlets are nice, no doubt about it, but you'd really want to see them compared to ours (or RB, or VRSF) on the same dyno before drawing too many conclusions.

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Give me a few weeks, I'd be happy to do this.

Oem location VS TFT etc

I'm assuming most would want the exact same tune to be used (no tweaking)- although that may give a slight advantage to whatever inlets were on the car first/dialed in on....

Either way, I'll do it if you guys want to settle the debate.
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With what inlets? Seems like the Vargas, RB, VRSF etc aren't making nearly as much power as the TFT kit.
The TFT inlets are nice, no doubt about it, but you'd really want to see them compared to ours (or RB, or VRSF) on the same dyno before drawing too many conclusions.

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Give me a few weeks, I'd be happy to do this.

Oem location VS TFT etc

I'm assuming most would want the exact same tune to be used (no tweaking)- although that may give a slight advantage to whatever inlets were on the car first/dialed in on....

Either way, I'll do it if you guys want to settle the debate.
I could send you my passenger side inlets and oem location silicone inlets to test . Just email me and we will set it up.
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With what inlets? Seems like the Vargas, RB, VRSF etc aren't making nearly as much power as the TFT kit.
The TFT inlets are nice, no doubt about it, but you'd really want to see them compared to ours (or RB, or VRSF) on the same dyno before drawing too many conclusions.

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Give me a few weeks, I'd be happy to do this.

Oem location VS TFT etc

I'm assuming most would want the exact same tune to be used (no tweaking)- although that may give a slight advantage to whatever inlets were on the car first/dialed in on....

Either way, I'll do it if you guys want to settle the debate.
If you're willing to do this then hell yes why not. It'd be worth its own thread and would be great info for the community. This data will definitely boost sales for the companies that have the top performering inlet kits. Maybe use a JB4 map 6 with a MHD BMS E85 BEF @23psi. If your car has PI and E85 then that'd be ideal (dyno each kit using the same tank of gas). You could use higher boost but 23psi should yield power between 550-600rw on a dynojet. Your main challenge is finding days with very similar weather.

What hybrid turbos do you have?
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Does anyone really think that one brands passenger side inlet kit will have dramatically different results than another brands passenger side kit? Or one oem style vs another brand oem style? I doubt it and would stand corrected. Just seems a bit silly to be fussing over, and would rather focus on quality and fit for these components. Maybe it's worth talking about if your running an rr700 or the like, but still...
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With what inlets? Seems like the Vargas, RB, VRSF etc aren't making nearly as much power as the TFT kit.
The TFT inlets are nice, no doubt about it, but you'd really want to see them compared to ours (or RB, or VRSF) on the same dyno before drawing too many conclusions.

Chris
Give me a few weeks, I'd be happy to do this.

Oem location VS TFT etc

I'm assuming most would want the exact same tune to be used (no tweaking)- although that may give a slight advantage to whatever inlets were on the car first/dialed in on....

Either way, I'll do it if you guys want to settle the debate.
If you're willing to do this then hell yes why not. It'd be worth its own thread and would be great info for the community. This data will definitely boost sales for the companies that have the top performering inlet kits. Maybe use a JB4 map 6 with a MHD BMS E85 BEF @23psi. If your car has PI and E85 then that'd be ideal (dyno each kit using the same tank of gas). You could use higher boost but 23psi should yield power between 550-600rw on a dynojet. Your main challenge is finding days with very similar weather.

What hybrid turbos do you have?
I'd run a set of RBs or pures- doesn't matter TBH... Unless people more wanna see what turbos can do what versus inlet styles? Pure 2 VS RB stealth etc.

I've tested a few different RB options w. Rob in the past.

But yeah- 100% e85, whatever I'm ok with.

We have a dynojet at the shop so that's no issue either
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Does anyone really think that one brands passenger side inlet kit will have dramatically different results than another brands passenger side kit? Or one oem style vs another brand oem style? I doubt it and would stand corrected. Just seems a bit silly to be fussing over, and would rather focus on quality and fit for these components. Maybe it's worth talking about if your running an rr700 or the like, but still...
I don't think there will be a difference between driver side inlets but I do think there will be a difference between driver side vs passenger side inlets. I'm also pretty sure there will be a difference between the passenger side inlet kits. I've seen Pure cars using silicone inlets not be able to hit the same power my car made at the same psi and same tune, then they switch to TFT and were able to replicate my numbers.

I could be wrong but it would be interesting to see results with the same turbos, same tune, same fuel, same transmission, same dyno, same weather, but with different inlet kits.

And we should probably start a new thread with this because we are thread jacking the shit out of OP's thread.
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We can use this thread to discuss inlets.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1269910
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