Mods To Get You In The Low 12s High 11s?

PresaMat · 03-28-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by radgator1

Actually he doesn't have any special weight savings on his car. He got rid of the light weight battery long before the 11.9. He doesn't have any packages on his car so that helps some but otherwise nothing is stripped.

How come he got rid of the light weight battery? I didnt know that.

Mr. 5 · 03-28-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PresaMat

How come he got rid of the light weight battery? I didnt know that.

He was actually complaining about loosing traction with the lighter trunk area.
I didn't know it would be that noticable.

I took mine out because I was noticing things like my AC only having one speed and turning off every once and a while in traffic.
I had an older one though so I'm sure it lost a bit of energy and wasn't holding the charge.

ulises 335i · 03-28-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Oh come on!
this steptronic stuff kills me sometimes.

Yes, a step will help, but it's not a must.
You just have to know how to shift.
Aslo, an LSD won't hardly do anything IMO.

I ran 12.3 with JB2HR on race gas with my manual.

AA IC
Catless DPs
No secondary cats, magnaflow rear mufflers.

Here's the thing, Throw on a good tune on a stock car and you will post a mid 12 time with both a manual and a step.

Well not every one here knows how to launch and shift like a god with a 6mt. IMO 1 out of 10 people are good at drag racing with a stick. For example go to dragtimes and look at the times. The top 2 times were made with the step. There's some members here with procede v2 and a 6mt and I got better times with my sstt and my steptronic.

Mr. 5 · 03-28-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ulises 335i

Well not every one here knows how to launch and shift like a god with a 6mt. IMO 1 out of 10 people are good at drag racing with a stick. For example go to dragtimes and look at the times. The top 2 times were made with the step. There's some members here with procede v2 and a 6mt and I got better times with my sstt and my steptronic.

Ooh. Thank you.
Nobody's ever called me that before.

ulises 335i · 03-28-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Ooh. Thank you.
Nobody's ever called me that before.

lol... this place is full of comedians

hotrod182 · 03-29-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Agree!
11s are really hard to come by but 12s seem to be the norm for this car.
I ran a 12.8 when I hit limp mode just after the 1/8th in the JB2HHR.

I wish I could have made a complete run with the JB2HHR also. Mine shut down sometime after the 1/8 mile. I was running well over 91mph in the 1/8, finished with a 12.3 @ 107mph. Could have been close to a 11 second run. My 12.13 was with just one hot pill.

bad335I · 03-29-2008, 07:15 PM

im looking into buying this jb2 but i see alot of ppl saying that there having alot of problems with limp mode and shuting down whats up with that?

e90AW335i · 03-29-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bad335I

im looking into buying this jb2 but i see alot of ppl saying that there having alot of problems with limp mode and shuting down whats up with that?

LOL.... Problems and limp modes with the JB?

People have problems and limp modes with "other" piggybacks, not the JB products. That is one of the main advantages of the JB.

Hotrod was talking about running a type of JB combo that BMS doesnt recommend, that is completely different....

To be fair, the majority of "other" piggyback problems are said to be caused by user error....

e90AW335i · 03-29-2008, 07:28 PM

Also, just something to keep in mind. The JB products preserve all the factory safety systems so if you turn the boost too high you can get an overboost limp. If that happens turn it back down where it should be

PresaMat · 03-29-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by e90AW335i

LOL.... Problems and limp modes with the JB?

People have problems and limp modes with "other" piggybacks, not the JB products. That is one of the main advantages of the JB.

Hotrod was talking about running a type of JB combo that BMS doesnt recommend, that is completely different....

Actually i see no where - where HHR isnt recommended. The only recommendation for it is not to run on pump gas. Well hotrod was running higher octane fuel.

Second point to that is if your going to race with it, publish results with it, sell it, then weather its written in HUGE letters or not.. you are recommending it.

While the JB is a great tune (i have a jb2hhr to play with) you need to pull your head out of your a.. err the sand and realize nothing out so far is completely limp free like you are saying about the jb.

Graystone · 03-29-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Agree!
11s are really hard to come by but 12s seem to be the norm for this car.
I ran a 12.8 when I hit limp mode just after the 1/8th in the JB2HHR.

Mr 5, thats the first limp mode i've heard of with the JB. Was that unusual or has it happened before and do you attribute this to JB or something else. or is this the set up that he says could have the limpmode if pressed, is it the push the limit set up.

radgator1 · 03-29-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Also, just something to keep in mind. The JB products preserve all the factory safety systems so if you turn the boost too high you can get an overboost limp. If that happens turn it back down where it should be

You can get 3rd gear boost related limps with JBHR or HHR like I did and unfortunately it hit before the end of my best 1/8 mile run, but it wont let you see 18-20 plus psi spikes like V2 since you will get limp before that. I think the new un-bypassed solenoid setup has fixed this and so far no one is seeing spike higher than 17 even with HHR.

hotrod182 · 03-29-2008, 09:22 PM

Different cars have different base boost settings from the factory. Some cars may be able to use 2 H pills along with the R. But either way, your kind of pushing the envelope, and we are talking about track testing here. Not everyday driving. The H pills are individual components that can be daisy chained. So its not like Terry is selling them for the purpose of running multiple H pills in series, its just something people sometimes try for that extra fine tuning advantage.

Rugs · 03-29-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

He was actually complaining about loosing traction with the lighter trunk area.
I didn't know it would be that noticable.

I took mine out because I was noticing things like my AC only having one speed and turning off every once and a while in traffic.
I had an older one though so I'm sure it lost a bit of energy and wasn't holding the charge.
Best Times
Famoso Raceway 1/4 mile...12.38 @ 111.88 mph
Irwindale Speedway 1/8th mile...8.22 @ 86.3mph
Vehicle Weight with Driver.....3610 lbs.

I wish I could loss some Weight, I have 610 Pounds on you!

My best run in my HEAVY E93 w/ my only mods being a JB2HR & UR Catless DP's was a:
12.77@106.12 with a 1.776/60'.
1/8th mile...8.188 @ 86.01mph.
Vehicle Racing Weight with Driver.....4220 lbs. that's with only with 1/4 tank of gas!

Vehicle Racing Weight w/out Driver: 3995 lbs.

After my "X" Switch install (it has 2 "H" pills) & BMS Air Filter I may get into the 12.4 or 12.5's...

e90AW335i · 03-30-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PresaMat

Actually i see no where - where HHR isnt recommended. The only recommendation for it is not to run on pump gas. Well hotrod was running higher octane fuel.

Second point to that is if your going to race with it, publish results with it, sell it, then weather its written in HUGE letters or not.. you are recommending it.

While the JB is a great tune (i have a jb2hhr to play with) you need to pull your head out of your a.. err the sand and realize nothing out so far is completely limp free like you are saying about the jb.

Mat:

JB1, JB2, and JBH are limp free and suggested for the average user. If you want to start running 14-16psi all the time with the aggressive maps the only way to avoid ever having a limp is turning off the factory safety systems. Sounds pretty short sided to me.

hotrod182 · 03-30-2008, 01:47 PM

Here is information that Terry posted that directly relates to this subject:

Hey guys, I've read about a few X limp codes and wanted to clarify how to adjust the X switch. I've also updated our install manual. Long story short, if you are getting a code your boost is set too high for your application. Turn it down. If the car does not pull smoothly throughout the gears, or stumbles, you are probably making too much boost for your mods/octane. Turn it down.

The suggested base settings based on octane and modifications:
91 octane, stock exhaust: 0-25%
91 octane, high flow downpipes: 25-50%
93 octane, stock exhaust: 25-75%
93 octane, high flow downpipes: 50-100%

The red dot side of the dial signifies 100%. Turn the dial away from the red dot until it stops, and then turn it 25%, 50%, etc as needed.

The base setting should be no more than 50% when enabling the R map for most applications. This will give 14.5-15psi. Running more than 15psi may lead to octane related or overboost related safety codes. Only enthusiasts with a boost gauge, and other aftermarket modifications such as downpipes and intakes should attempt to run more than 50% with the R map enabled. And always ensure you have high octane in the tank when enabling the R map. Remember the R map retains all your factory safety systems so if your car is throwing a code with the R map on it’s a sign that you've turned the boost too high for your application, or that your octane level is too low.

Also keep in mind it takes 3-4 pulls to full adapt to each setting. So to dyno multiple settings plan to do 3 pulls with each to get accurate numbers.

e90AW335i · 03-30-2008, 01:49 PM

I was just about to post this since people dont seem to understand what BMS recommends

PresaMat · 03-30-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Mat:

JB1, JB2, and JBH are limp free and suggested for the average user. If you want to start running 14-16psi all the time with the aggressive maps the only way to avoid ever having a limp is turning off the factory safety systems. Sounds pretty short sided to me.

The only short sided thing going on is being such a fan boy to believe that everything is without issue. When you actually start learning about tuning and performance cars you might get this. But I understand the 335 is your first "performance car" so you are new to the whole thing. Get a few years under your belt and you might stop looking at things so black and white.

e90AW335i · 03-30-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PresaMat

The only short sided thing going on is being such a fan boy to believe that everything is without issue. When you actually start learning about tuning and performance cars you might get this. But I understand the 335 is your first "performance car" so you are new to the whole thing. Get a few years under your belt and you might stop looking at things so black and white.

I used to own a 91 Mustang GT so this isnt my first performance car. Also, I am not a fanboy I just know the difference between what a tuner recommends and what they dont....

PresaMat · 03-30-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by e90AW335i

I used to own a 91 Mustang GT so this isnt my first performance car. Also, I am not a fanboy I just know the difference between what a tuner recommends and what they dont....

You owned a performance car (mustang) but didnt know where to get dynos done.. on a dynojet no less? Hmm. You also didnt know how HRP was on TnT hmm. K.

Not a fan boy? LoL I think that would be a great poll to see what everyone things. Is e90AW335i a BMS fanboy? IMO if you dont think you are you would be surprised by the results

PS. Where are the dynos you have been saying you would get?

e90AW335i · 03-30-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PresaMat

You owned a performance car (mustang) but didnt know where to get dynos done.. on a dynojet no less? Hmm. You also didnt know how HRP was on TnT hmm. K.

Not a fan boy? LoL I think that would be a great poll to see what everyone things. Is e90AW335i a BMS fanboy? IMO if you dont think you are you would be surprised by the results

PS. Where are the dynos you have been saying you would get?

I never had a dyno done so I didnt know where to get one, surprised? Did you know you can have a performance car and not dyno it?

I haven't had a chance to get a dyno done on my 355i because I have to work a minimum of 55 hours a week (I have been pulling 65), and I like to relax on the weekend. Is that ok with you Mat?

Why dont you relax a little bit and lay off me....

PresaMat · 03-30-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by e90AW335i

I never had a dyno done so I didnt know where to get one, surprised? Did you know you can have a performance car and not dyno it?

I haven't had a chance to get a dyno done on my 355i because I have to work a minimum of 55 hours a week (I have been pulling 65), and I like to relax on the weekend. Is that ok with you Mat?

Why do you relax a little bit and lay off me....

LoL. I should have worded myself better earlier a performance car that you worked on and tuned more then bench DYNOed.

Seem like you have a lot of time to get on here... plus BHS is open on weekends.

Ill lay off when you pull the blinders off and realize BMS isnt the end all be all of 335 tuning (thus reflected by the quality of your postings). Just about everything you post is BMS based its like your marketing for them... kinda like Mike from VIP. Though he does at least say he is affiliated with them.

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hotrod182 . 878 Rep 3,994 Posts Drives: 2023 i4 M50 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: California iTrader: (0)	Here is information that Terry posted that directly relates to this subject: Hey guys, I've read about a few X limp codes and wanted to clarify how to adjust the X switch. I've also updated our install manual. Long story short, if you are getting a code your boost is set too high for your application. Turn it down. If the car does not pull smoothly throughout the gears, or stumbles, you are probably making too much boost for your mods/octane. Turn it down. The suggested base settings based on octane and modifications: 91 octane, stock exhaust: 0-25% 91 octane, high flow downpipes: 25-50% 93 octane, stock exhaust: 25-75% 93 octane, high flow downpipes: 50-100% The red dot side of the dial signifies 100%. Turn the dial away from the red dot until it stops, and then turn it 25%, 50%, etc as needed. The base setting should be no more than 50% when enabling the R map for most applications. This will give 14.5-15psi. Running more than 15psi may lead to octane related or overboost related safety codes. Only enthusiasts with a boost gauge, and other aftermarket modifications such as downpipes and intakes should attempt to run more than 50% with the R map enabled. And always ensure you have high octane in the tank when enabling the R map. Remember the R map retains all your factory safety systems so if your car is throwing a code with the R map on it’s a sign that you've turned the boost too high for your application, or that your octane level is too low. Also keep in mind it takes 3-4 pulls to full adapt to each setting. So to dyno multiple settings plan to do 3 pulls with each to get accurate numbers. __________________ 2011 Alpine 335d M-Sport 12.34 @ 110.48mph 2019 i3s Terra, 2008 Black 335i Sedan. 11.11@ 129.47 mph 2008 Monaco Blue JB3 2.0 335i Coupe. 11.33 @ 132.77 mph, 60-130mph: 6.95 seconds 2023 i4 M50 11.48 @ 121.56mph, 3.43 0-60 (dragy)
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