[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by Antoans4

The 25 GB is already over

Not yet, make sure you didn't put an extra space or anything on it... I just checked and it worked ok for me.

Chris

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by boostE92d

Looks very similar to what Doug(Frankenturbo) the n54 tuning wizard is working on. How does your offering differ? (besides wheels obviously)

Paraphrasing from Tony:

These upgrades are EXACTLY the same as our original Stage 2 units, in quality, and performance. We just went out, and spent the money to have some parts cast, and found some parts already cast that we ordered, vetted, and found to be high quality, and better flowing for less money. This means we can buy in bulk, assemble in house, and pass the saving along to the customer. We are offering high quality upgrades with parts we either had cast specifically for us, or we sourced, and got a deal on by buying in bulk.

As far as unique parts, we own the design on the compressor housings, the compressor wheels, the turbine wheel, the journal bearings, but not the turbine housings (I misspoke about that earlier and want to be clear about it).

Hope that answers your question.

Chris

[Captain Canuck]

Will these be as reliable as the GC's?

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

We endeavor to have transparency with what we do here at VTT; that's why we invite people to the shop to see where we do things, check out the balancers, touch hardware, even planning on a dyno day in the near future.

So quoting me on a text to a competitor (Jesse at Pure) isn't exactly revolutionary ground breaking news. I get along with most of the competitors and sometimes we share info. Nothing proprietary, mind you, but a workable professional relationship.

We have had some failures. Everyone does. Our number on the GC family after selling close to 150 sets is right around 5%, which was not good enough in our book. That's why when we saw them occur we did an internal analysis, went back to our turbine supplier and demanded new turbines with new material. We've had those a while; turbines in hand and all GC's as of over a month ago are good to go.

No one likes having a failure. When you do, you fix it. It's not very complicated in the grand scheme of things.

Also not complicated; riling up competitors with pricing structures that they don't like and then having them tripping over themselves to attempt to "get" us.

We're going to keep pushing limits, keep shaking things up, and continue to offer the best performing and best priced options out there. We're really excited to see these in the hands of our customers. As always, if any customers have issues, email me, and I'll help drive it to resolution.

Chris

[Antoans4]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

Not yet, make sure you didn't put an extra space or anything on it... I just checked and it worked ok for me.

Chris

I doesn't work for me

[Captain Canuck]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

We have had some failures. Everyone does. Our number on the GC family after selling close to 150 sets is right around 5%, which was not good enough in our book. That's why when we saw them occur we did an internal analysis, went back to our turbine supplier and demanded new turbines with new material. We've had those a while; turbines in hand and all GC's as of over a month ago are good to go.

No one likes having a failure. When you do, you fix it. It's not very complicated in the grand scheme of things.

Also not complicated; riling up competitors with pricing structures that they don't like and then having them tripping over themselves to attempt to "get" us.

The pricing structure makes sense considering the cheap Chinese manifold being used so I don't think anyone is upset about that. I think it's more the claims of 44% greater flow! and "designed and owned by us" when in reality the manifolds flow the same as stock and it's the same cheaply cast manifold being used by Frankenturbo that anyone has been able to buy on EBay/Alibaba for a few years now that people do want to address. To pretend anyone at VTT didn't know the manifold is an Alibaba part is disingenuous at best, but there's a chance the people who would buy this turbo don't care about that anyway.

Why machine the OEM housings made of quality stainless steel when cheap Chinese castings = profit! #AMIRIGHT? #VTTRACETOTHEBOTTOM #WHOOPSWEDIDITAGAIN #TOOMANYHASHTAGS

[JuniorB]

2k is still a great price to make 550+ hp without trying to Max your oems out, the castings may be a mass production, but it's what inside that matters,that's the power!

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by Antoans4

I doesn't work for me

Should still be good -shoot me an email and I'll help you out directly.

Chris

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by Captain Canuck

The pricing structure makes sense considering the cheap Chinese manifold being used so I don't think anyone is upset about that. I think it's more the claims of 44% greater flow! and "designed and owned by us" when in reality the manifolds flow the same as stock and it's the same cheaply cast manifold being used by Frankenturbo that anyone has been able to buy on EBay/Alibaba for a few years now that people do want to address. To pretend anyone at VTT didn't know the manifold is an Alibaba part is disingenuous at best, but there's a chance the people who would buy this turbo don't care about that anyway.

To those that don't know:

When I first wrote the post I made a mistake and mixed up 2 projects; one of them was this project (good quality Chinese casting with favorable flow characteristics) with another yet-to-be-released project (proprietary casting, much better flow characteristics, more $$$). I wrote, as an honest mistake, the castings flow 44% more/proprietary design. That was true for the other project, not these. I fixed my error as soon as I was made aware of it. It was on here a matter of hours before it was addressed. Now some people call that scumbag marketing -it was simply my mistake. Not acceptable, and very very important that I be accurate when describing things, but it does happen from time to time. I fixed it, I apologize to any of you who were confused or misled, and off we go.

As far as these castings go -they're quite nice. If another vendor is using them on a budget model, then they're using a nice casting too. We like them better than OEM. Note that there are MANY Asian offerings out there, some very good, some poor quality. These are quite nice. The whole point of releasing these was to offer the community an aggressively priced budget option for the 600 whp range. For higher power ranges -shoot me an email and I'll be happy to work with you with different turbos.

As always, if any customers have issues, email me directly and I will be happy to work with you and help resolve anything that comes up. We stand behind our products and look forward to seeing these out in the street!

Chris

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by JuniorB

2k is still a great price to make 550+ hp without trying to Max your oems out, the castings may be a mass production, but it's what inside that matters,that's the power!

Exactly. People forget how good ~600 feels on a stock motor. These are an excellent performing budget offering to get you there.

Chris

[pysical]

The 44% increase was a mistake and fixed. I doubt the one or two days that it was mislabeled really affected anyone, and I would imagine if anyone who purchased the turbos because of the claims wanted out, VTT would refund.

On top of that the manifolds are Chinese made. Correct. However I am sure VTT has went through the testing to determine how well they do and how reliable they are. VTT came out with an affordable option for people, in fact very cheap for the power. All people want to do is complain about the Chinese parts. Well if you don't want to spend 2K on some well engineered twins that will make 600-650+ hp then go spend 7k on a motiv single to make 750+. No one is forcing people to buy these.

[SRB335]

They fixed it because they were called out. 99% of people that buy VTT turbos have no idea what they're buying.

They see 44% more flow.. OMG these are amazing

OMG GC's make 900whp. Buy buy. Gets GC's and runs them at 20 psi. Oh but my car is capable of 900whp .

At the current state of this platform, a lot of people can't afford anything more than cheap Chinese crap. WHICH IS OK. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. But don't tell them you have something special when you can get the same thing for a fraction of the price elsewhere (sorry you won't get the fancy VTT logo).

[JuniorB]

Originally Posted by Chris@VargasTurboTech

To those that don't know:

When I first wrote the post I made a mistake and mixed up 2 projects; one of them was this project (good quality Chinese casting with favorable flow characteristics) with another yet-to-be-released project (proprietary casting, much better flow characteristics, more $$$). I wrote, as an honest mistake, the castings flow 44% more/proprietary design. That was true for the other project, not these. I fixed my error as soon as I was made aware of it. It was on here a matter of hours before it was addressed. Now some people call that scumbag marketing -it was simply my mistake. Not acceptable, and very very important that I be accurate when describing things, but it does happen from time to time. I fixed it, I apologize to any of you who were confused or misled, and off we go.

As far as these castings go -they're quite nice. If another vendor is using them on a budget model, then they're using a nice casting too. We like them better than OEM. Note that there are MANY Asian offerings out there, some very good, some quite poor quality. These are quite nice. The whole point of releasing these was to offer the community an aggressively priced budget option for the 600 whp range. For higher power ranges -shoot me an email and I'll be happy to work with you with different turbos.

As always, if any customers have issues, email me directly and I will be happy to work with you and help resolve anything that comes up. We stand behind our products and look forward to seeing these out in the street!

Chris

I would hope that if someone knows what there looking at, they would clearly see they resemble stock sizes, a 44% increase would look double the size of a stock turbo,

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by JuniorB

I would hope that if someone knows what there looking at, they would clearly see they resemble stock sizes, a 44% increase would look double the size of a stock turbo,

I do appreciate the support but going from 1.25" to 1.50" would be that 44% increase -visibly obvious but not a giant difference. It's the r^2 in the cross sectional area (pi * r^2, remember?) that allows just a little diameter increase to give you a lot of area increase. That's one of the reasons that the GC's make the power they do on lower boost as compared to traditional manifold designs.

As for the other stuff written up above -we fixed the error because it was my error. Nothing more, nothing less. I have repented for my sins and moved on. We love our customer base and we love this platform. I've been driving my E90 since 2011 (it's an olllllddd 2007 with high mileage now) and I'm still not tired of it. These cars are finicky but very rewarding to modify and drive. It's hard not to want to be involved. You don't race dyno sheets, and people don't drive a forum around for fun. Drive 'em hard.

Chris

[arod221]

You don't race dyno sheets, and people don't drive a forum around for fun. Drive 'em hard.

Love it! Had me actually laughing. Well said Chris!!!

[JuniorB]

True that,honestly I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner, we know who the other guy was, but anyway, these cast manifolds were going to be the best new upgrade. Gotta get my motor in...

[ibd12nv]

Originally Posted by arod221

You don't race dyno sheets, and people don't drive a forum around for fun. Drive 'em hard.

Love it! Had me actually laughing. Well said Chris!!!

^+1

[dyezak]

Removing my post...I don't care enough. Free bump I guess.

[Torgus]

Originally Posted by dyezak

Removing my post...I don't care enough. Free bump I guess.

Awww come on.

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Bump! Group buy is now completed, thank you to all who helped make it a success! We're really looking forward to seeing these little babies out on the street -I know it takes a while to schedule install/tune/dyno but post up about them when you do! Thank you to everyone who participated. Most of the orders will ship in about a week.

We have another batch of GC's in, although stock is getting low.


GC's In stock same to next day shipping
GC Lites out of stock looking at ~3-4 weeks
Stage 2 / 2+ - ~2 week lead
Stage 1 ~2 week lead
OEM replacements ~2 week lead
N55 Stage 1 in stock

As always, hit up the website for orders, and for any questions shoot me a direct email: chris@vargasturbo.com and I'll be happy to help you out!

Chris

[kmx]

Hi guys

Is it fair to expect these to support over 500whp on 93 only and would you need a bigger lpfp to do the trick.

I'm stuck with 93 so any benefit in going 2+ vs 2. Want the most out of pump and I don't want to deal with meth.

[Lshaw]

Anyone with stage 2/2+ results or reviews yet?