[AU335]

Definitely needs to be a STICKY for now!!!

[ChaneRZ]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

No, but you did say this....




Like you are some kind of rebel by going in with stuff. Amazing.....

damn nice find.

[Digital.James]

Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

I cant believe or understand how so many are saying things like "i'm gonna stay tuned, cuz I'm only going to my dealer in 3 years to return it at lease end."

Are you kidding me? They must think BMW's are made of magic or something . . . because things do go wrong, and often in the 335, and you will need to make dealer visits. If not for anything else. . . you still need regular maintenance. Or how bout those who think that "it's always been like this, what'd you think?!" Did they not just see my thread, or "Mattscott's" thread? Have they not been keeping up to date with all of the new detection methods they will be employing? Because as others will agree, it's only delaying the amount of time it takes for them to discover things, but they will discover them soon enough anyway.

Whatever . . . let them think nothing will go wrong on their tuned cars running double the boost and 100hp/tq worth of more output. . . . with NO supporting mods (like forged pistons, and real engine internals. . . not intakes and intercoolers). I cant believe that they sit here and see TONS of stock BMW's having issues by the day, and yet think that they're MODIFIED BMW's will magically be uneffected by all this . . . . I guess they'll have to find out the hard way.

I remember when I was 18 I spent every dollar I had (and some that wasnt mine) on a fully built JG motor for my CRX. JE pistons, Cunnigham rods, JG head and cams, and dual 44mm Mikunis with a two stage NOS kit.
First time out, I threw a rod on my second pass. Destroyed my whole motor pretty much. I was devastated, and I even shed a freaking tear.
Point is, you can spend all the money you want and buy every part out there and shit still happens. 12 years later Im a lot wiser and know the risks associated with this game. If you ain't willing to risk it, dont mod!

[Mr. 5]

I actually think of it in another way.

I really believe that if you modify a car then you should be able to perform the work on that car to put it back to stock.
The individual should know about their mods, what their mods do, and how their mods are installed.

If you aren't that type of individual then you should have a bunch of money saved up to pay somebody to do the work for you. Either that or pay for all of the denied work yourself (You still need to have a crap load of money hanging around).

[possible335i2008]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I actually think of it in another way.

I really believe that if you modify a car then you should be able to perform the work on that car to put it back to stock.
The individual should know about their mods, what their mods do, and how their mods are installed.

If you aren't that type of individual then you should have a bunch of money saved up to pay somebody to do the work for you. Either that or pay for all of the denied work yourself (You still need to have a crap load of money hanging around).

+1

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by AU335

Definitely needs to be a STICKY for now!!!

Do you know what's sad?
Even if we made it a sticky, we would still see stupid threads getting started.

It happens all the time!
When somebody becomes a member, an email gets sent to you about reading the rules about searching.
Who do you think reads the rules?

How many people start new threads all the time without searching?
Rest my case!

[Curt2000]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I actually think of it in another way.

I really believe that if you modify a car then you should be able to perform the work on that car to put it back to stock.
The individual should know about their mods, what their mods do, and how their mods are installed.

If you aren't that type of individual then you should have a bunch of money saved up to pay somebody to do the work for you. Either that or pay for all of the denied work yourself (You still need to have a crap load of money hanging around).

I enjoy taking a saturday to tear my car down before taking into the dealer on monday...

[0002s]

Originally Posted by possible335i2008

Dude it has always been this way...they did not need super dupper dme passive radar to find out you had a tune....IT WAS ON THE CAR!!!!! YOU TOLD THEM YOU HAD A TUNE..that = FAILED...All this doomsday well if you are withing 20 miles of the dealership BMW is going to find out is BS...C'mon..next thing you know someone is going to tell me that BMW has a speacial division of commandos that in the middle of the nite are going to check my car for tunes...Plus everything ended up working out for you...they are hooking you up...so all n all I think alot of propaganda is being spread.

[M4TW]

Likewise, I think the dealer credo could be: we'll try to help but don't make us look stupid.

[Fraggy]

What about the dealer print outs of threads from this forum? If they see someone post about their new tune, then even if its taken out before the visit, they still know it was there and you are busted. If nothing else, it might make them look harder to find any slim evidence that it had been in the car, even stuff they otherwise wouldnt have seen.

[Neema]

Originally Posted by possible335i2008

Dude it has always been this way...they did not need super dupper dme passive radar to find out you had a tune....IT WAS ON THE CAR!!!!! YOU TOLD THEM YOU HAD A TUNE..that = FAILED...All this doomsday well if you are withing 20 miles of the dealership BMW is going to find out is BS...C'mon..next thing you know someone is going to tell me that BMW has a speacial division of commandos that in the middle of the nite are going to check my car for tunes...Plus everything ended up working out for you...they are hooking you up...so all n all I think alot of propaganda is being spread.

Originally Posted by 0002s

What I think is funny is that you've read specific threads and even official BMWNA service bulletins regarding the stricter measures. . . . yet you still deny it. It's in writing, the techs will tell you, the SA's will tell you, even helpful forum members who work for dealers will tell you. Yet you still deny it.

BTW, NO ONE ever said that "if you come within 20 miles of the dealer. . . . " they could connect to the car and blah blah.

Hooking me up? More like cutting through their BS. I'm happy that I am able to have the warranty work done, but I can assure you that that outcome had a considerable deal to do with my "I've been flagged and denied" thread, but that is beside the point.

[drphil71]

Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

What I think is funny is that you've read specific threads and even official BMWNA service bulletins regarding the stricter measures. . . . yet you still deny it. It's in writing, the techs will tell you, the SA's will tell you, even helpful forum members who work for dealers will tell you. Yet you still deny it.

BTW, NO ONE ever said that "if you come within 20 miles of the dealer. . . . " they could connect to the car and blah blah.

Hooking me up? More like cutting through their BS. I'm happy that I am able to have the warranty work done, but I can assure you that that outcome had a considerable deal to do with my "I've been flagged and denied" thread, but that is beside the point.

I'm just curious how you seem in alot of your post's to be so adamant about how BMW's new measures are to be taken seriously, yet you attribute your success in most probably getting your warranty back to your thread, interesting.

[Neema]

Originally Posted by drphil71

I'm just curious how you seem in alot of your post's to be so adamant about how BMW's new measures are to be taken seriously, yet you attribute your success in most probably getting your warranty back to your thread, interesting.

No, lucky for me. . . the fuel pump issue was a recall after all, and an oil change is apart of the service warranty, which is not voided. Learn the hard way if you choose

[Neema]

Originally Posted by drphil71

I'm just curious how you seem in alot of your post's to be so adamant about how BMW's new measures are to be taken seriously, yet you attribute your success in most probably getting your warranty back to your thread, interesting.

One more thing. . . . the warranty is not back yet. They've just agreed to do the recall work, and the oil change (as part of the service warranty) was ruled to be intact anyway.

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Do you know what's sad?
Even if we made it a sticky, we would still see stupid threads getting started.

It happens all the time!
When somebody becomes a member, an email gets sent to you about reading the rules about searching.
Who do you think reads the rules?

How many people start new threads all the time without searching?
Rest my case!

In all my years here I have never seen a duplicate thread about what color of car should I choose or what's in the sport package or anything that. Every member uses the search tools religiously and never starts a thread without doing that step first. You must be thinking of another forum...

[0002s]

Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

What I think is funny is that you've read specific threads and even official BMWNA service bulletins regarding the stricter measures. . . . yet you still deny it. It's in writing, the techs will tell you, the SA's will tell you, even helpful forum members who work for dealers will tell you. Yet you still deny it.

BTW, NO ONE ever said that "if you come within 20 miles of the dealer. . . . " they could connect to the car and blah blah.

Hooking me up? More like cutting through their BS. I'm happy that I am able to have the warranty work done, but I can assure you that that outcome had a considerable deal to do with my "I've been flagged and denied" thread, but that is beside the point.

I don't deny it....I have always believed that if I modify any car beyond the manufactures specs, leave the mods on my car, go into the dealer for service, admit (when asked) that I have the mods on my car, that they will deny my service and void my warranty. You get no argument from me here. I am also very positive that the manufacture doesn't need double secrete computer program with wireless data transmission to the motherland to void my warranty in the above example.

I also believe that BMW is putting new measures in place to try to catch people who remove the mods from there cars and lie when asked if they have them. The issue is that nobody really know what they can and can't do as well as what BMW will and won't do.

You don't really know what would have happened if you had removed all your mods and the dealer had a print out that suggested that you had mods. The dealers "says" BMWNA would have done this and that...but we don't really know now do we. So until someone removes ALL the mods, gets a computer print out and says BUSTED and BMWNA say NO WARRANY...it's all conjecture as to what will/won't be done. I'm sure it won't take long to get answers to this question. I bet that some will get away with it and some won't.

Finally I also believe that certain tunes will not be caught and other will be caught by BMW new measure.

For every mouse trap that BMW puts into place, the tuners will just build a better mouse.

It's a game of BMW and Tuner Mouse, and if you want to play it there is a risk if you get caught.

[Neema]

Originally Posted by 0002s

I don't deny it....I have always believed that if I modify any car beyond the manufactures specs, leave the mods on my car, go into the dealer for service, admit (when asked) that I have the mods on my car, that they will deny my service and void my warranty. You get no argument from me here. I am also very positive that the manufacture doesn't need double secrete computer program with wireless data transmission to the motherland to void my warranty in the above example.

I also believe that BMW is putting new measures in place to try to catch people who remove the mods from there cars and lie when asked if they have them. The issue is that nobody really know what they can and can't do as well as what BMW will and won't do.

You don't really know what would have happened if you had removed all your mods and the dealer had a print out that suggested that you had mods. The dealers "says" BMWNA would have done this and that...but we don't really know now do we. So until someone removes ALL the mods, gets a computer print out and says BUSTED and BMWNA say NO WARRANY...it's all conjecture as to what will/won't be done. I'm sure it won't take long to get answers to this question. I bet that some will get away with it and some won't.

Finally I also believe that certain tunes will not be caught and other will be caught by BMW new measure.

For every mouse trap that BMW puts into place, the tuners will just build a better mouse.

It's a game of BMW and Tuner Mouse, and if you want to play it there is a risk if you get caught.

I will always give credit were credit is due and will admit when I'm wrong. In this case, I'll give your post credit and I think your right. We'll just have to wait and see as time will tell. . . .

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I actually think of it in another way.

I really believe that if you modify a car then you should be able to perform the work on that car to put it back to stock.
The individual should know about their mods, what their mods do, and how their mods are installed.

If you aren't that type of individual then you should have a bunch of money saved up to pay somebody to do the work for you. Either that or pay for all of the denied work yourself (You still need to have a crap load of money hanging around).

I'll take that a step further. Once you decide you want to mod a car in a way that will void any part of the warranty, before you buy one item you should have already decided exactly what you're willing to be liable for cost wise. If you're going to buy suspension parts, know up front what it will cost you to replace parts on your dime. If you buy engine components, know exactly what parts could be hit with the downstream effect of the mods, what their cost is and be prepared to replace parts on your dime.

Once you understand what the total cost to you could be for pushing the envelope of the car, if you're willing to accept that cost then mod. If not, save your money, enjoy your stock car and don't lose a second of sleep when you have to take the car to the dealer.

You really don't need to know how exactly the mod works and how it's installed, all you need to know is what can it screw up and what will it cost you if it screws things up. If you're willing to accept the cost, happy modding!!

[0002s]

Originally Posted by Boost_Nation

I will always give credit were credit is due and will admit when I'm wrong. In this case, I'll give your post credit and I think your right. We'll just have to wait and see as time will tell. . . .

Hope you get your warranty back and then get a stealth tune (if this animal even exists)

[Neema]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Do you know what's sad?
Even if we made it a sticky, we would still see stupid threads getting started.

It happens all the time!
When somebody becomes a member, an email gets sent to you about reading the rules about searching.
Who do you think reads the rules?

How many people start new threads all the time without searching?
Rest my case!

agreed

Originally Posted by Carnage

I'll take that a step further. Once you decide you want to mod a car in a way that will void any part of the warranty, before you buy one item you should have already decided exactly what you're willing to be liable for cost wise. If you're going to buy suspension parts, know up front what it will cost you to replace parts on your dime. If you buy engine components, know exactly what parts could be hit with the downstream effect of the mods, what their cost is and be prepared to replace parts on your dime.

Once you understand what the total cost to you could be for pushing the envelope of the car, if you're willing to accept that cost then mod. If not, save your money, enjoy your stock car and don't lose a second of sleep when you have to take the car to the dealer.

You really don't need to know how exactly the mod works and how it's installed, all you need to know is what can it screw up and what will it cost you if it screws things up. If you're willing to accept the cost, happy modding!!

also agreed

Originally Posted by 0002s

Hope you get your warranty back and then get a stealth tune (if this animal even exists)

thanks man

[MFL101]

I was told leaving the intake on or a catback exhaust was fine for routine service, but if something goes wrong...just take it off before bringing the car in.

[hotrod2448]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

TAKE OFF ALL MODS BEFORE GOING INTO THE DEALERSHIP IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT YOU WARRANTY.

Mods, can we please make this a sticky so people quit making stupid threads about dealerships and warranties....

So, what are we supposed to do again? Should we schedule a visit to the dealership before we go in for the warranty visit to have them remove the mods?