[satinghostrider]

Originally Posted by aab3218

I have done quite a bit of research on purchasing intakes and will share my results. Please do not start a flame war I think many are wondering the differences like I was and will benefit from this information.

The bms intake consists of two S&B cone filters with 2.25" opening (part R0633), and aluminum couplers of the same size to slide in the opening on the turbos.

The vishnu intake consists of two S&B cone filters with 3" opening (part R0738), and aluminized steel couplers to adjust from 3" to 2.25" opening on the turbos.

The filters are exactly the same dimensions except the hole at the bottom, and both have the same list price of around $40 each.

The bms couplers are annozied black, the vishnu couplers are powdercoated black. Not much of a difference in either finish to me.

Vishnu claims their 3" opening to 2.25" transition flows better, bms claims their 2.25" to 2.25" has less turbulence. They both wind up at 2.25" so I don't see how it can matter.

The vishnu setup has different length couplers for fit. The bms directions call to insert the front coupler 2" in to the front accordion pipe and. 1" for the rear coupler. I guess to serve the same purpose. Fit looks identical to me.

I came to the conclusion that they are the same. Next to price and shipping.

Bms charges $129 plus $34 shipping (I am overseas), vishnu charges $195 plus $100 shipping (and won't take my credit card). For me the vishnu is $132 more expensive shipped, or almost double the price. Not everyone lives here so here are the numbers for US customers from what I gather.

Bms charges $129 plus $16 shipping, vishnu charges $195 plus $17 shipping. Bms shipping is 2-3 day service, vishnu shipping is 3-5 day service. So bms is $67 cheaper shipped.

Just for fun I emailed a pointed question to get a feeling for character of vendors. Keep in mind I already knew the answer. I asked vishnu if the filters were s&b and they did not respond. I asked bms the same question and within 10 minutes they respond they were s&b filters and even volunteered the exact part number. I thought very interesting.

So you can draw your own results.

The exact reason why I cancelled the Vishnu intake as I dont see how competitors can charge such an exhorbitant price for shipping when they should be around the same. I seeked for a refund from Vishnu and used it to place order for my BMS intake. Overseas customers are screwed royally on shipping if you get this intake.

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by aab3218

Just for fun I emailed a pointed question to get a feeling for character of vendors. Keep in mind I already knew the answer. I asked vishnu if the filters were s&b and they did not respond. I asked bms the same question and within 10 minutes they respond they were s&b filters and even volunteered the exact part number. I thought very interesting.

So you can draw your own results.

To explain this, one must understand the following fact:

Company A developed this to supply the 335i community with a beneficial product for gaining power on their flagship product (V3) but doesn't want to waste their time doing so at $0 profit. Company B offered it to improve their current (previously claimed to be better) product, and to take away the small profit company A might see. Neither company really wants your business. This is more of a service for the lazy people that don't want to construct one one their own. Like me.

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

The exact reason why I cancelled the Vishnu intake as I dont see how competitors can charge such an exhorbitant price for shipping when they should be around the same. I seeked for a refund from Vishnu and used it to place order for my BMS intake. Overseas customers are screwed royally on shipping if you get this intake.

i think that is far too big a vocabulary word to describe a dollar amount less than the cost of a tank of gas...

[TiAg335i]

Nice research OP...this does help. I think I'm going with the BMS now. There is no hard evidence to go for the more expensive, apparently "better" Vishnu intake. However Vishnu is coming out with a cold air box option in the future, he states it may not fit the BMS dual cone. If they are the same dimensions, why wouldn't it?

[dhan]

just want to add, on the bms forum, terry offered instructions to make your own dual intake set up and only put it on the site after people wanted a simpler way of ordering all the items at once.

To explain this, one must understand the following fact:

Company A developed this to supply the 335i community with a beneficial product for gaining power on their flagship product (V3) but doesn't want to waste their time doing so at $0 profit. Company B offered it to improve their current (previously claimed to be better) product, and to take away the small profit company A might see. Neither company really wants your business. This is more of a service for the lazy people that don't want to construct one one their own. Like me.

kind of like how company A is posting of diy's to make your own Company B's o2 simms and boost controllers...for free! nice.

nice comparisons OP.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by TiAg335i

Nice research OP...this does help.

Wow, far from being research. Most is pretty obvious.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by dhan

just want to add, on the bms forum, terry offered instructions to make your own dual intake set up and only put it on the site after people wanted a simpler way of ordering all the items at once.

As did Vishnu a while back before offering one. They didn't even plan on offering it after they metioned the specifics of how to make one.

[lawdude]

Around here all you have to do is restate prior restatements of restatements, talk a little smack about <insert tuner of choice here>, and the unwashed masses think you're in the avant-garde of creative thinkers.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Around here all you have to do is restate prior restatements of restatements, talk a little smack about <insert tuner of choice here>, and the unwashed masses think you're in the avant-garde of creative thinkers.

So... if I restate what you stated I would appear to be stating something of significance and be a profound statement. I see how it works here now.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by scalbert

So... if I restate what you stated I would appear to be stating something of significance and be a profound statement. I see how it works here now.

The depth of your understanding rises to a level of brilliance heretofore unseen in recorded history. Good work Steve.

[satinghostrider]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

i think that is far too big a vocabulary word to describe a dollar amount less than the cost of a tank of gas...

USD34 Vs USD100 for Shipping. Thats almost 3 times the price for shpping the Vishnu intake. Exorbitant? Yes. Because if the intake is USD195, USD100 for shipping is just plain dumb. Anyway like it matters now. I got my refund and am happy about it.

[sambonator]

Originally Posted by aab3218

...So you can draw your own results.

There's a law here on e90post that states "Any noob who posts something positive about BMS or its product(s) is Terry."

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by Mattscott

funny, I got flamed for saying that.

yes, but the antagonizing tone in which you made that suggestion was merit for the flaming.

Originally Posted by aab3218

Thanks for the friendly replies (except lawdude) and I hope people benefit from my research. I figure a US person can buy the filters for around $85 shipped to their door so you pay a premium to get couplers and support. I was just trying to understand the difference between these two products.

first of all, what you are doing is NOT research.
Second, you have absolutely no accountabilty for those accusations.
Third:I want to see read reciepts from both, with times and dates. in order for me/us give you any benefit of the doubt. This is actually an extremely stupid way to "evaluate" a vendor.

Originally Posted by elmariachi

The exact reason why I cancelled the Vishnu intake as I dont see how competitors can charge such an exhorbitant price for shipping when they should be around the same. I seeked for a refund from Vishnu and used it to place order for my BMS intake. Overseas customers are screwed royally on shipping if you get this intake.

Some shipping companies are only offering air freight to certain parts of the world. That might be the case. but i doubt they are really in need of that $100.00.

Originally Posted by dhan

just want to add, on the bms forum, terry offered instructions to make your own dual intake set up and only put it on the site after people wanted a simpler way of ordering all the items at once.

so the fact that he released it right after the Vishnu release has no bearing on, as the OP puts it "vendor character"? had this been the first time that something like this happened, then it could be dismissed as either coincidence or just the helpful nature of Terry. But as well all know, Terry did this same thing before, PROcede comes out, he steals the idea and markets his own "innovation". For some reason Terry like to dick pull Vishnu a heck of alot to be considered just an accident.

Originally Posted by scalbert

Wow, far from being research. Most is pretty obvious.

+1

[aab3218]

Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

yes, but the antagonizing tone in which you made that suggestion was merit for the flaming.



first of all, what you are doing is NOT research.
Second, you have absolutely no accountabilty for those accusations.
Third:I want to see read reciepts from both, with times and dates. in order for me/us give you any benefit of the doubt. This is actually an extremely stupid way to "evaluate" a vendor.



Some shipping companies are only offering air freight to certain parts of the world. That might be the case. but i doubt they are really in need of that $100.00.



so the fact that he released it right after the Vishnu release has no bearing on, as the OP puts it "vendor character"? had this been the first time that something like this happened, then it could be dismissed as either coincidence or just the helpful nature of Terry. But as well all know, Terry did this same thing before, PROcede comes out, he steals the idea and markets his own "innovation". For some reason Terry like to dick pull Vishnu a heck of alot to be considered just an accident.

Your post is what I am trying to avoid. So obviously you got the vishnu intake and there is nothing wrong with that so relax.

Also I am not making accusations? I found a thread on how to make this dual cone intake posted months ago so the timing of release was not an issue for me.

My take on the whole thing was bms released a single intake to cash in as no intakes were out, vishnu ridiculed it and released their dual intake to get in on the action, and then bms released the same intake using the same filter manufacturer for 30%+ cheaper to undercut vishnu. I really don't feel bad for either of these guys I am sure they are both millionaires so make you own if you want to save money, buy bms if you like their price or vishnu if you like theirs. It does not matter much to me.

For those that think my research is not original find me another post with the same information and part numbers and prices and I will delete this one.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by aab3218

Just for fun I emailed a pointed question to get a feeling for character of vendors. Keep in mind I already knew the answer.

That's when I realized that the rest of your post was window dressing attempting to disguise the fact that you are a troll.

Now why don't you come clean and tell us what other names you've used to post in the past.

[335iheLLraiseR]

Originally Posted by aab3218

Just for fun I emailed a pointed question to get a feeling for character of vendors. Keep in mind I already knew the answer. I asked vishnu if the filters were s&b and they did not respond. I asked bms the same question and within 10 minutes they respond they were s&b filters and even volunteered the exact part number. I thought very interesting.

So you can draw your own results.

this is where you lost me because its just plain stupid and honestly sounds biased.

Originally Posted by aab3218

Your post is what I am trying to avoid. So obviously you got the vishnu intake and there is nothing wrong with that so relax.

Also I am not making accusations? I found a thread on how to make this dual cone intake posted months ago so the timing of release was not an issue for me.

My take on the whole thing was bms released a single intake to cash in as no intakes were out, vishnu ridiculed it and released their dual intake to get in on the action, and then bms released the same intake using the same filter manufacturer for 30%+ cheaper to undercut vishnu. I really don't feel bad for either of these guys I am sure they are both millionaires so make you own if you want to save money, buy bms if you like their price or vishnu if you like theirs. It does not matter much to me.

yet this is who you consider to have good character? really?

lets see, why release a different intake aside from the one you yourself deem perfect, IMMEDIATELY after a competitor releases theirs?

So, either he realized that the single filter had a flawed design, or decided to add yet another product just to "undercut vishnu" for the heck of it. So from a business perspective, why would you add another product that by your own admission is inferior? just to spice up your little vendetta? oh, and lets not forget that he is using his customer base as pawns in this little marketing war.

Again, this is whom you consider to be of great character. Nice call.

[335iheLLraiseR]

and don't assume, i don't have either of them. I have had a CAI on my car for the past six months and a set of dual cones in my living room for 4. I, unlike you am not biased because of the fact that i am trying figure out which intake to buy. Simply put, you are interpreting facts to support your own conclusion.

[e.n335]

Why the hell you are buying BMW's when you want something cheap ?

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by aab3218

Your post is what I am trying to avoid. So obviously you got the vishnu intake and there is nothing wrong with that so relax.

Also I am not making accusations? I found a thread on how to make this dual cone intake posted months ago so the timing of release was not an issue for me.

My take on the whole thing was bms released a single intake to cash in as no intakes were out, vishnu ridiculed it and released their dual intake to get in on the action, and then bms released the same intake using the same filter manufacturer for 30%+ cheaper to undercut vishnu. I really don't feel bad for either of these guys I am sure they are both millionaires so make you own if you want to save money, buy bms if you like their price or vishnu if you like theirs. It does not matter much to me.


For those that think my research is not original find me another post with the same information and part numbers and prices and I will delete this one.

I've been running a vishnu intake for almost 4 months. Shiv has been running the dual for much longer. He just didn't put it up for sale....but since everybody was asking for it...he finally made them available.

Your timeline is way off. BMS followed suit....as they (he) always do.

[aab3218]

Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

this is where you lost me because its just plain stupid and honestly sounds biased. yet this is who you consider to have good character? really?

I was trying not to spell it out but I felt like one vendor was selling on secrecy and hiding a cheaper source for the same part while the other was willing to disclose a cheaper place for the same product but selling on service.

So, either he realized that the single filter had a flawed design, or decided to add yet another product just to "undercut vishnu" for the heck of it. So from a business perspective, why would you add another product that by your own admission is inferior? just to spice up your little vendetta? oh, and lets not forget that he is using his customer base as pawns in this little marketing war.

Again, this is whom you consider to be of great character. Nice call.

If you read the marketing materials bms said they prefer the single filter for fit, looks, and air temps. They say the dyno performance is similar. I have read their dual filter marketing and people have asked the question which they prefer and they still say the single. They say they offer the dual because so many customers ask them for it.

If the issue is a price war I hope more people enter in to it, lower prices are better for everyone. Like I said I don't feel bad for these tuners they are already loaded.

[aab3218]

Originally Posted by normtrum

I've been running a vishnu intake for almost 4 months. Shiv has been running the dual for much longer. He just didn't put it up for sale....but since everybody was asking for it...he finally made them available.

Your timeline is way off. BMS followed suit....as they (he) always do.

If the question is who invented the intake I think it is vishnu. If the question is who offered the intakes first to the market I think its bms. If everybody is asking for it I can see why many vendors would try to sell them.

[McLuVan]

bms ftw
vishnu ftl