[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by Jeff01234567

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/maz...-straight-six/

Saw this post and instantly thought of the new Toyota Supra! Toyota, who is one of the largest companies in the world, thinks it's too expensive to develop an all-new straight-six for the Supra. And here we have little Mazda, who can find a way to justify a naturally aspirated straight-six.

Also, it seems like this engine is for "large-architecture" cars, but can you even imagine what the Miata would be like with this engine? With a 2,700 lb convertible , ~250HP N/A straight-six, 6-speed manual, 7,000 RPM redline, and a starting price of just under $40K, Mazda could take my money no questions asked.

I would love to add a '19 MX-5 to my stable. When I read about the inline six in development, my first thought was wondering if they would also find a way to put it in the MX-5. Spreading the new engine across multiple product lines should certainly help with development costs.

[N54Yankee]

Back in the late 80’s there was a company that shoehorned the Ford 5.0 V8 into miatas and make hot little monsters. That obviously was a different sized miata and the 302 V8 Ford is shorter then a I6.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Back in the late 80’s there was a company that shoehorned the Ford 5.0 V8 into miatas and make hot little monsters. That obviously was a different sized miata and the 302 V8 Ford is shorter then a I6.

Flying Miata. They use LSx and LTx motors now.

[heavyD^2]

That 8 speed automatic sounds similar to the Mercedes MTC automatic.

[Donatello.]

I'm already going to get another Miata, try to keep the next one long term as well, but if they slap this or something like it in a Miata, I'd be in

[Sedoy]

Let me guess, Mazda's I6 will be underpowered like 2.5-turbo is and 3.3-diesel will be delayed for 3 years die to emissions like 2.2-diesel was...

[Sedoy]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

2.5T underpowered? For the mainstream segment it puts out decent numbers.

Mazda6 is pretty much slowest in the segment. According to Car and Driver, Honda Accord with smaller 2.0T 0.6 sec faster to 1/4 mile. Also slowest in this video:

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Let me guess, Mazda's I6 will be underpowered like 2.5-turbo is and 3.3-diesel will be delayed for 3 years die to emissions like 2.2-diesel was...

The 2.5L has a tiny turbocharger as Mazda opted for low RPM torque over a broad powerband. I don't think it's necessarily a bad decision for the majority of people that buy these cars to commute but it's far from a sporty engine.

[W///]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

2.5T underpowered? For the mainstream segment it puts out decent numbers.

Not that I care too much about numbers in a daily driver, but from my test drive of a CX9, I thought the engine was quite nice. I was pleasantly surprised by it, especially in a big SUV.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by W///

Not that I care too much about numbers in a daily driver, but from my test drive of a CX9, I thought the engine was quite nice. I was pleasantly surprised by it, especially in a big SUV.

We used to own a CX9 a few years back, and while it was not the fastest in its segment, it was fast enough and the higher torque number really helped when hauling around our 3 kids. The transmission was a bit rough, but it was also the first model year of the new CX9. I'm sure it was improved in the years following.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Let me guess, Mazda's I6 will be underpowered like 2.5-turbo is and 3.3-diesel will be delayed for 3 years die to emissions like 2.2-diesel was...

Mazda's strong suit has never been their motors (13B-MSB is pretty much the worst offender of this), what you need in a daily driver is passing power, which this does plenty fine for the segments they are in. 0-60 time is irrelevant for majority of the population and only matters on a spec sheet

What Mazda has always done well is handling, intangible factors, this is the highlight for all their current and past cars.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Mazda's strong suit has never been their motors (13B-MSB is pretty much the worst offender of this), what you need in a daily driver is passing power, which this does plenty fine for the segments they are in. 0-60 time is irrelevant for majority of the population and only matters on a spec sheet

What Mazda has always done well is handling, intangible factors, this is the highlight for all their current and past cars.

In the 80's and 90's they build some pretty solid engines as the 2.3L turbo in the MX6 (Ford Probe) and the next gen 2.5L V6 in those cars were solid engines. I once owned a 1989 Mazda 3GT with the B6T 1.6L twincam turbo engine and that thing was indestructible and peppy for that time as well as fairly advanced.

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

In the 80's and 90's they build some pretty solid engines as the 2.3L turbo in the MX6 (Ford Probe) and the next gen 2.5L V6 in those cars were solid engines. I once owned a 1989 Mazda 3GT with the B6T 1.6L twincam turbo engine and that thing was indestructible and peppy for that time as well as fairly advanced.

I always wanted a Ford Probe GT V6. Never got around to it.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Mazda6 is pretty much slowest in the segment. According to Car and Driver, Honda Accord with smaller 2.0T 0.6 sec faster to 1/4 mile. Also slowest in this video:

I know when I'm worried about 0-60 times and 1/4 times, I always choose large, boring 4-door sedans.

[DanG]

I own a CX-5 turbo. As a daily driver it has plenty of power. There are several reasons why it has been a Car and Drivers top ten.

It is going to be a vehicle that we own for quite some time.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by DanG

I own a CX-5 turbo. As a daily driver it has plenty of power. There are several reasons why it has been a Car and Drivers top ten.

It is going to be a vehicle that we own for quite some time.

We liked the NA version I had as a loaner car a while back. If it could tow more than a small utility trailer we would have likely already purchased one.

I'm a big Mazda fan. I think between me and my ex-wife I've owned 7-8 Mazdas.

[Fix_The_Cigarette_Lighter]

We've got a 2022 CX-5 on order. Honestly, I found that 2.5 liter turbo to be more pleasant & responsive to drive than any of the B48s I've driven (so far). Of course, there are engine tuning and vehicle differences.

[jmack]

New rear-wheel-drive Mazda 6 not coming, says brand executive

"It would be very nice… to have the FR [front-engine, rear-driven] concept and six-cylinder engine for a Mazda 6 successor or a large sports coupé. We would like to have it, but at this point in time, it's most important to sell SUVs," the executive told the British magazine.

Looks like the dream is dead, boys.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Its a sad day

Not really. No one was really going to buy it anyway.

[W///]

Originally Posted by jmack

New rear-wheel-drive Mazda 6 not coming, says brand executive



Looks like the dream is dead, boys.

This part, even though we all know is the case, is still sad to see:
"It would be very nice… to have the FR [front-engine, rear-driven] concept and six-cylinder engine for a Mazda 6 successor or a large sports coupé. We would like to have it, but at this point in time, it's most important to sell SUVs," the executive told the British magazine.

It's interesting to see how many people get upset at BMW for pumping out SUV's but pretty much everyone does it. It's been a while since the car industry is moving towards this direction.

[freakystyly]

Just need to look at the Genesis/Kia brand as an example of how well the non-german 6 cyl RWD platforms are selling. It's definitely a niche that doesn't make financial sense to develop from scratch anymore.

[W///]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Mazda is a much smaller and less profitable brand overall, they sell as many cars as Toyota sells Camry's. To them selling vehicles like the CX-30 and CX-5 are keeping them alive and a necessity so it makes sense that they are focusing on this route.

Yea but I'd make the same argument that in comparison to say VAG Group, BMW is a much smaller company too.

Regardless of where you look, SUV's are everywhere now. Ferrari, Porsche, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, the usual German suspects.... I'm not saying they don't have their place in the porfolio, but it's a shame to see so many focusing on that rather than analogue cars.