[methodtim]

Originally Posted by BMW335icDDS

Also, I like how less people can afford them because the truth is many people who have BMW's can't actually afford them.

That really has nothing to do with the OTD price of the car as much as it has to do with BMW's really favorable leasing practices. If you know of someone who's driving a car beyond their means, there's a very good change they are leasing it. The good news is that this should be ending as well, based on articles I've seen and the latest info on 09 leasing terms. The bad news is that it probably won't affect resale value of the e9x generation of cars at all since there are so many of them on the road already. If BMW continues to tighten the leasing reins, though, the next generation 3er should be pretty exclusive and we'll see an appropriate increase in resale value. I dunno, is my logic flawed here? It's late and I've been working all day and night...

[vladinecko]

did exclusion of logic7 from ZPP effectively lower the price of ZPP? i haven't checked but that would make sense to me.

[jollerbarn]

For comparison I can tell you that in Denmark:

Logic 7 costs ~26.000 DKK ~ 5.000USD
M-sports package costs ~ 61.000 (for 335i) ~ 12.000USD

I could spice this up with our petrol prices too?

Reality check please

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by vladinecko

did exclusion of logic7 from ZPP effectively lower the price of ZPP? i haven't checked but that would make sense to me.

No. The prices are the same.

MSRP for e90's...
08: $2,650 (after $100 price increase)
09: $2,650

[vladinecko]

Originally Posted by vladinecko

did exclusion of logic7 from ZPP effectively lower the price of ZPP? i haven't checked but that would make sense to me.

just checked, the premium package actually went up by $100 to $2,650. so they took a huge feature out while increasing the price. genius! which means to get the same ZPP from 2008 models you now have to fork out $3,525 for it, a $975 increase.

i'd like to see BMW's reasoning for this increase (except for the surmised "we need to make more money").

among other notable increases is the base price, from $40,800 to $42,000. to give an actual comparison; my car's MSRP was $49,400 just a few months back. right now, it would cost me $51,800, a $2,400 increase. wow!

[methodtim]

Originally Posted by vladinecko

just checked, the premium package actually went up by $100 to $2,650.

No, you're not accounting for the $100 price increase that went into effect in June 08. The price for ZPP is the same, but without Logic7.

[LionRampant]

Originally Posted by vladinecko

did exclusion of logic7 from ZPP effectively lower the price of ZPP? i haven't checked but that would make sense to me.

In point of fact, the Logic7 option was standard equipment on all 2008 335i/xi models, regardless of packages or options. It was not part of the ZPP package, and its inclusion or not has no bearing on the pricing for that package.

ZPP on the 2008 335i included:

• Universal Garage Door Opener
• Auto-dimming interior and exterior mirrors
• Lumbar support
• Digital compass mirror
• BMW Assist with Bluetooth System
• Dakota Leather

Those components of the Premium Package are unchanged on 2009 335i models, and as methodtim points out, the pricing has not changed either. The base price of the 335i models was increased nearly 2% for MY 2009 over 2008, and the Logic7 system, previously included in the base price, adds $875 MSRP to those that opt for it in 2009. With that added cost, the 335 base prices actually increased just over 4% for the new model year.

--LR

[Robert]

You guys do realize at the same time bmw is raising prices, USD is increasing its value. BMW will make a nice profit.

[Vegas]

Originally Posted by bobbo

You guys do realize at the same time bmw is raising prices, USD is increasing its value. BMW will make a nice profit.

Yup, the dollar has strengthened nicely in the last month. Don't Rolex's increase 10% each year. Damn Europeans!

[mrad01]

Originally Posted by jollerbarn

For comparison I can tell you that in Denmark:

Logic 7 costs ~26.000 DKK ~ 5.000USD
M-sports package costs ~ 61.000 (for 335i) ~ 12.000USD

I could spice this up with our petrol prices too?

Reality check please

Americans don't know what "M-sports package" means...they can't get it!!!!

[Lassaxi]

Originally Posted by methodtim

Stop your whining. Do you realize that everyone, and I mean everyone, in other countries pays significantly more for BMW's than Americans do? Try looking through some of the threads where Europeans are paying the equivalent of 100k for a 3 series. I believe it's about the same price in Japan as well. There's also this little thing going on called a recession. You might want to pay attention to it. Our economy is in the toilet and so is our currency.

I'm not saying that the price increases don't suck on a visceral level. Of course they suck. No one wants to pay more than they did before on essentially the same product. All I'm saying is that America has been spoiled rotten with regards to how much we pay for goods compared to the rest of the world. The chickens have come home to roost, as it were. You'd better just get used to it now because it's not going to get better any time soon.

I apologize for the snarkiness of this post. This is about the 50th post I've seen complaining about how much 3ers cost. It's a very US-centric high-pitched whine and it's cause me a bit of annoyance. If you feel you have to flame me, go for it, I'm game.

You know, I hate whining too, but you've missed three key things: (1) the cost-income ratio in most European countries is very different from what it is in the United States (this has been discussed at length before); (2) the fact that we're in a recession means that it makes less sense, not more sense, to raise prices, and (3) the biggest problem is not the cost by itself, it's that there are many other cars (which some would argue that are just as good, if not better than a 3er) available in the same market segment at lower cost.

I for one know that the price increase will encourage me to cross-shop even more thoroughly than I did when buying my current 328xi. I hate to say it, but a 3er, even a 335, is just not a good enough car to command a $50,000-$55,000 price tag.

[zetaxi165]

You think you guys have it bad????

The cost of the 335 (fully loaded) went up from $62K (when I bought it 1.5 years ago) to $75K now. That is absolutely insane.

[pony_trekker]

Originally Posted by lecatrache

I bought my 330i in 2006, and I just built a similar car (okay, it's a 335i) and it came out $4,000 more!

I acknowledge the 335i has a better engine than the 330i, which was $2000 more in the 2007 model.

But the 2009 are more expensive, and also all the options are more expensive. Is all of this due to our weaker US Dollar and the stronger Euro?

Also, the Logic7 stereo is now optional at $875.

My 2006 330i with Sport Package, Premium Package, Steptronic, Metallic Paint, and Navigation came out at $44,975.

The 2009 335i with the same options plus the now optional Logic7 comes out at $48,975. That's a whopping $4,000 more.

Was looking into a VW for the wife. Looks like the Passat Wagon went up by about 4 grand too.

DOH!

[martieg]

Originally Posted by vladinecko

did exclusion of logic7 from ZPP effectively lower the price of ZPP? i haven't checked but that would make sense to me.

We should've see it coming when the M3 pricing had Logic7 separate also.

[Chitown-Irish]

Originally Posted by zetaxi165

You think you guys have it bad????

The cost of the 335 (fully loaded) went up from $62K (when I bought it 1.5 years ago) to $75K now. That is absolutely insane.

What's the price of a gallon of gas in your country?

[JoeyFiasco]

Originally Posted by new2the3

The 1 series is the new 3, and the 3 series is the new 5, IMO.

I would agree as well, BMW just adjusted the prices to coincide.

[martieg]

HD radio ($350) is now mandatory when buying iDrive ($2,100) - for a total of $2,450 (compare to $2,000 before, in case you didn't want the HD Radio).

[JoeyFiasco]

Doesn't work in Europe so useless for me.

Originally Posted by lecatrache

HD radio ($350) is now mandatory when buying iDrive ($2,100) - for a total of $2,450 (compare to $2,000 before, in case you didn't want the HD Radio).

[Marvin]

Originally Posted by methodtim

Stop your whining. Do you realize that everyone, and I mean everyone, in other countries pays significantly more for BMW's than Americans do? Try looking through some of the threads where Europeans are paying the equivalent of 100k for a 3 series. I believe it's about the same price in Japan as well. There's also this little thing going on called a recession. You might want to pay attention to it. Our economy is in the toilet and so is our currency.

I'm not saying that the price increases don't suck on a visceral level. Of course they suck. No one wants to pay more than they did before on essentially the same product. All I'm saying is that America has been spoiled rotten with regards to how much we pay for goods compared to the rest of the world. The chickens have come home to roost, as it were. You'd better just get used to it now because it's not going to get better any time soon.

I apologize for the snarkiness of this post. This is about the 50th post I've seen complaining about how much 3ers cost. It's a very US-centric high-pitched whine and it's cause me a bit of annoyance. If you feel you have to flame me, go for it, I'm game.

lol hes right, i live in england and buying my mini [first car] cost £16,000 and extras £4000 thats $40,000... wont even tell you how much my bm cost

[kennethpetro]

Originally Posted by MrClean

9%

^^ My sentiment exactly!

[Jobu]

I don't think anyone is happy about the price increases, but look at it this way. As of year end 2007, BMW was making something like $10k less in Euro terms on each 5 series they sold compared to several years earlier (Norbert Reithofer addressing financial analysts last year) due to the devaluation of the dollar. They held the line on price for a very long time.

Moreover, BMW just took a $1.0 billion write down this year for dropping residuals, primarily in the US.

The US, BMW's largest market has really been punishing BMW's financial results for the past few years, in spite of their impressive success delivering compelling new models and registering great currency-adjusted financial performance.

In this context, it was just a matter of time, my friends, that they took this action. They truly had no choice. It is canonical that a premium brand cannot discount its way to success.

-Keepin' it real y'all.

[str8nm]

Buy a pre-owned 2007 or 2008 335i for 40 to 44K . Mod the hell out of it ... have fun!

Originally Posted by lecatrache

Correction here

I bought my 330i in 2006, and I just built a similar car (okay, it's a 335i) and it came out more than $5,000 more!

I acknowledge the 335i has a better engine than the 330i, which was $2000 more in the 2007 model.

But the 2009 are more expensive, and also all the options are more expensive. Is all of this due to our weaker US Dollar and the stronger Euro?

Also, the Logic7 stereo is now optional at $875.

My 2006 330i with Sport Package, Premium Package, Steptronic, Metallic Paint, and Navigation came out at $44,975.

The 2009 335i with the same options plus the now optional Logic7 comes out at $50,325. That's a whopping $5,350 more.