[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

$300 - $500 for an oil change on a VW motor? LOL.

Has nothing to do with being a "VW motor". It's all about labor rates. You could save half the money on a BMW oil change as well by going to a quick lube place and providing your oil. Most Porsche dealers have a two hour minimum labor charge for oil changes and are over $200/hour. An independent shop specializing in P cars are still going to be more expensive than your run of the mill shop, so their rates may be $150/hour (plus the cost of oil).

[OEM3]

My girl has a 2021 Macan S. Her and I both love it. very capable acceleration, handling is amazing, very comfortable and the styling is nice. She is now obsessed with Porsche so I know a 911 of some sort will be in our future.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Pretty comfortable sporty luxurious way to drive a Porsche without spending $150k on a Taycan or Panamera. That seems like a pretty good draw.

I'm betting the Cayennes and Macans are what keep Porsche alive. For me it was a big draw. I tend to change cars a lot and we wanted an SUV and I have never owned a Porsche. So like you said it was a good way to test the waters.

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

$300 - $500 for an oil change on a VW motor? LOL.

That's what I said! My 6.7 liter diesel truck is typically like $120. To be fair it also depends how hard it is to change. I know some cars out there you need to take half the thing apart to get to the oil filter or drain etc. I don't think that is the case here, but who knows, I haven't bothered to look it up. $300 is just on the edge of my laziness overpowering my cheapness.

[lakefront]

The Macan V6 takes 8L of oil and the 4 banger 6L......so a DIY is just over $100 and $85 respectively. Easy enough to do so not sure where this $500 charge could come from.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But the point is, its the same basic engine block architecture regardless if it is in a VW or a Porsche badged VW. Some automotive routine/preventative maintenance items should be based on value rather than straight labor rate x labor hours.

That doesn't make sense though. There is still a person that has to do the job, and it just so happens that Porsche labor rates are higher (they pay their techs more than a VW dealer pays its techs). There's also the dealership overhead and "P Tax" that you're paying for when servicing a vehicle with them. Nobody is stopping you from going to get the oil change at your local VW dealership or any oil change place for that matter.

[chassis]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But the point is, its the same basic engine block architecture regardless if it is in a VW or a Porsche badged VW. Some automotive routine/preventative maintenance items should be based on value rather than straight labor rate x labor hours.

But that ain’t how it works.

Price = what the market will bear. Not what the customer thinks it should be.

[dgoldenz]

My Indy shop does oil changes on all modern Porsche for $149. Don’t go to the dealer for service.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

BMW is just as premium as Porsche and sells ridiculously expensive cars. Many BMW dealers sell oil change services for under $100. My local dealer has a 3-year oil service plan for $200. Assuming 1 change a year, it's $66 per service. While the service labor rate at a Porche dealer may be $200/hr., I doubt the tech gets paid a premium wage materially above a tech at the VW dealer down the street; the dealer just makes more profit. All modern cars are complicated, require special training, and require special tools.

Friend of mine brought his 996 to me because the front trans mount bushing is toast. He had and oil leak as well, which is a crack in the oil pan. The bushing needs a special tool because Porche uses two through bolts instead of 1, so you can't use a generic bushing remover/installer tool set on it. We temporarily fixed the seeping crack in the oil pan with HVAC aluminum duct tape, until the engine is ready for an oil change and he gets the "oil pan"; the engine is dry sump obviously, so it's really just a cover. It will take 10 minutes to install once the oil is drained.

I've worked on my brother's CryCo Crossfire, which is basically a rebodied Mercedes-Benz SLK. It's just a standard 'ole German car industry automobile with a commonplace V6; there's no exotic Mercedes-Benz magic to it any more than a BMW is unique.

The Mecan is just a VW MLB/MQB platform SUV. It's as mechanically special as a peanut.

BMW is not just as premium as Porsche (my opinion but I digress). As mentioned, cost of service also relies heavily on dealership overhead. Yes you are paying a premium to be servicing your car at a Porsche dealer, but you are also paying for all the bells and whistles that come along with being there vs the VW dealer down the street. Is it worth it? Up to you, that's why I said take it to whoever you want. You don't have to convince me that it's somehow more difficult to change oil on a Macan vs a Tiguan.

[chassis]

BMW is for sure not as premium as Porsche. And not as premium as MB.

Using price as the proxy for “premium”, one can satisfy oneself of this fact by using cargurus “price trends” feature on a like-for-like model and year comparison for the brands. Price trends are at the bottom of the CG desktop homepage.

Porsche > MB > BMW as it relates to “premium”

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Right. You are paying for the loaner car fleet and nicer furniture in the waiting area, and free coffee. But really for the name on the building; big overhead cost in the sign that spells... P O R S C H E.

Okay so you just answered the question why it costs more to get a Macan serviced at a Porsche dealership when it's "just a VAG" vehicle. Nobody was disputing that, or trying to justify the higher costs. Basically everyone has said go to an indy shop.

[chassis]

Who cares what it costs a dealer to change oil? Cost in this context is meaningless.

Dealers would use oil filters made from gutta percha if they could get away with it, and charge the consumer $500 for the experience.

They charge what the market will bear.

[evomike]

the wife has a 16 macan S and its one of the best overall cars that I have ever driven, if i was forced to be a one car person i would own a macan gts or turbo.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by evomike

the wife has a 16 macan S and its one of the best overall cars that I have ever driven, if i was forced to be a one car person i would own a macan gts or turbo.

This. If I could only have 1 car it would be a 2022 Macan GTS. Maybe a turbo but have not driven a turbo only the base, s and gts.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

This. If I could only have 1 car it would be a 2022 Macan GTS. Maybe a turbo but have not driven a turbo only the base, s and gts.

The GTS and the Turbo are now one model. It goes Macan, Macan T, Macan S, Macan GTS. So if you're getting one model, you'd go with the GTS.

[x622]

I turo'd a Macan S recently and I was very surprised how comfortable it was. Very different feeling than the other cars based on the same platform. It wasn't exactly fast but it handled acceptably and was just... comfy.

I wish my X3MC I had was anywhere close to as planted feeling and comfortable as that one was.

[RM7]

I mean, if I *had* to get an SUV...this would be very near the top.

[aktif8]

I owned an s for a few years. Only issue of note was the transfer case blowing, but thankfully was under warranty.

- the 14 way seats are a must (at least. I had the 18s and loved them)

- as others have mentioned, find a good indy, or diy your service.

- it's truly a fantastic all in one car. It's very much a real porsche, there is handling magic baked in.

- one of the nicest parts, in hindsight - the car was very easy to push, was forgiving, and never felt like too much" car, the way a 500hp M can. Mine had a piggy and an exhaust, and wasn't slow, but it was friendly. I know the limits of my m4 are waaaaaaay higher than my skill. I felt like I could drive, enjoyably, much closer to the limit in that car.

[dgoldenz]

IMO the 14 ways are better for the macan than the 18 ways. Would prefer those in a 911

[e61it]

Had 18 ways in my S and had so many tell me they were the most incredibly comfortable sport seats they had ever used. Had to agree with them.

[SharpAndCunning]

Originally Posted by Mavus

class action lawsuit for water leaks under the windshield. My friend is suing P. Dealer had the car 3 times and did not fix it then told her not to park the car in the rain. Stay away is my advice.

kinda like this

https://pressreleases.responsesource...che-nightmare/

P has known about this issue for years yet not fixing it!!

no worse than BMW and their Water Pumps, imo. SO many people got screwed by the water pumps. Then BMW turned around and stole from all of us wiht the combox's and the emergency communication. shut down the services, offered owners who had Pre-Paid nothing.

i'm hoping that becomes another class action lawsuit. Would love to see BMW have to pay for it. They gave millions of customers the finger.

[Germanauto]

My dad drives a 2020 Macan S, the refreshed model. It's pretty great, I always enjoy driving it. Just don't expect it to handle at 9 or 10/10s like a proper sports sedan will OP. That's when you realize you're driving an AWD vehicle based on FWD underpinnings that understeers at the limit. The rear-biased torque can only do so much. Anybody stating otherwise likely just cruises and doesn't actually push the car hard. Also the gearing is very long. On the plus side, it's a pretty idiot-proof vehicle. The AWD system and traction control will ensure you don't die.

I'd really recommend stepping up for the S, even if it's a year or two used. The V6 makes such a difference.

Also OP I see you're in the Seattle area. I'd recommend steering clear of Porsche Bellevue as they are crooks. Try out of state like California. A lot more dealers, inventory, and competition for your business.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

The porsche tax is real, look for a 2 yr old Stelvio with low miles and save a fortune. Looks sexier, goes like stink in D mode and handles nearly as well as the Porsche.

I sorta agree but also disagree. I just don't find the base 4 cyl inspiring enough. But I will say the Stelvio's proper RWD chassis (unlike the Macan's MLB underpinnings) combined with it's very quick steering make it a very compelling sporty CUV. The Macan's steering is downright slow in comparison until you get up to speed, where it quickens nicely.

I just think the QV is the Stelvio to buy to really get the most out of the car, but it is ~$90k. Unfortunate there is no mid-trim V6 option in the power category of the Macan S/GTS models.

I would recommend OP at least test drive it though. Stelvios look nice in the right color/wheel combination.