[Terrance28]

The factory piping is already good, all you would have to do is cut the cats out and weld in some pipes $150 the most. There is no way I would pay $500+ for this sorry.

[akira42]

That's assuming you'll get 8-12. Dyno's or didn't happen.

Originally Posted by MrChessy

Man, kinda expensive for just an extra 8-12 whp.

[J.P.]

Originally Posted by Terrance28

The factory piping is already good, all you would have to do is cut the cats out and weld in some pipes $150 the most. There is no way I would pay $500+ for this sorry.

yup, i had a shop quote me $189 for custom bent straight pipes!

$500+ should be considered rape

[SV Concepts]

Originally Posted by J.P.

yup, i had a shop quote me $189 for custom bent straight pipes!

$500+ should be considered rape

The material will be very thin, and won't be coated, polished, or bolt-on. It also will not be stainless steel at that price. They will have to cut off your original flanges (the most expensive part to make, I believe) to weld them to the pipes. Also, at that price, somehow I doubt they will be mandrel bent (a mandrel bender is very very expensive).

That's fine (I did it on my E46), but this product is, like I said, a finished and completed product.

How about the group buy, instead?
JL

[mechanikas]

Originally Posted by Nick@Jlevi SW

Hey Guys,

The reason for the price increase is the cost to coat these parts has gone up...

Who cares about look of two pipes located under the car? Who? Who goes under the car to look at beautifully polished pipes?

To make a similar/identical product for myself, it would cost 50-100US$ maximum...
To pay for the same pipe 500$ you have to be an idiot IMO, no offence, but it's such a simple product, that there can't be any technical issues and you don't need any know-how... just cut and bend/weld few stainless steel pieces.

[Terrance28]

Thats the BMW tax being applied.

[mechanikas]

Originally Posted by Jlevi SW

The material will be very thin, and won't be coated, polished, or bolt-on. It also will not be stainless steel at that price.

What is bolt-on part?
Bolt on part is a part, which fits with no other modifications.
You can make such midpipes at the workshop easilly.

What is "thin material???
You can buy stainless steel pipes with random pipe wall thicknesses, 2-4 mm is OK for exhaust pipes. Tested & proofed hundreds of times in my life.

To make a flange it's not a problem as well, there are many shops who cat cut with laser/plasma/water or bore.

You just need to make a research of your local workshops.

P.S. Bad example of marketing

[MrChessy]

Maybe the real reason behind the increased pricing is greed?

[Bomis]

Originally Posted by mechanikas

Who cares about look of two pipes located under the car? Who? Who goes under the car to look at beautifully polished pipes?

To make a similar/identical product for myself, it would cost 50-100US$ maximum...
To pay for the same pipe 500$ you have to be an idiot IMO, no offence, but it's such a simple product, that there can't be any technical issues and you don't need any know-how... just cut and bend/weld few stainless steel pieces.

+1000

lol, its under the car man....who cares if they are polished or not???

[roozie2001]

Originally Posted by Bomis

+1000

lol, its under the car man....who cares if they are polished or not???

what if you wanna jump your BMW off of ramps? you wouldnt want it regular pipinggggg would u??

[Terrance28]

Manufacturers think they can rape us because we own BMWs plain and simple. And the reason they charge it is because we pay it. We see stuff like extra coating and we think nothing but the best because its a BMW. Some stuff I agree can be charged alot for perfection but some pipes under the car at $500 is ridiculous.

[SV Concepts III]

Originally Posted by mechanikas

What is bolt-on part?
Bolt on part is a part, which fits with no other modifications.
You can make such midpipes at the workshop easilly.

What is "thin material???
You can buy stainless steel pipes with random pipe wall thicknesses, 2-4 mm is OK for exhaust pipes. Tested & proofed hundreds of times in my life.

To make a flange it's not a problem as well, there are many shops who cat cut with laser/plasma/water or bore.

You just need to make a research of your local workshops.

P.S. Bad example of marketing

That's certainly an option and can be done with any mod. You can make your own exhaust if you have the resources, time and desire. However, this is designed to be a direct replacement for your car without incurring the hassle of bending and shaping your own pipe. There are a lot of enthusiasts out there that enjoy making custom parts for their cars which is not the point of these mid pipes. Most prefer something that is designed specifically for their car and will not cause issues or headaches when installed.

Compared with some of the other brands out there (check SuperSprint Catted pipes for $3500), these are very well priced. Having worked with the guys over at Riss and seen their development process behind all of their products (and having run their products on my own car), I can personally say it's worth it to have something ready made for these cars.

Again, this is not a solution for everyone. Like I mentioned previously, there are those that take pleasure in designing their own parts which is perfectly fine and quite admirable. For others, the headache, lack of resources or desire is just not worth it for what is in the end, a $100 savings.

[akira42]

I don't think people are trying say "we'll just make them ourselves"... what they're saying is "we'll let somebody else do the same thing you are doing, for ~$300 less, minus the polish".... Seriously, $500 for midpipes is rape. $100 off from a group buy, is still rape.

Originally Posted by Nick@Jlevi SW

That's certainly an option and can be done with any mod. You can make your own exhaust if you have the resources, time and desire. However, this is designed to be a direct replacement for your car without incurring the hassle of bending and shaping your own pipe. There are a lot of enthusiasts out there that enjoy making custom parts for their cars which is not the point of these mid pipes. Most prefer something that is designed specifically for their car and will not cause issues or headaches when installed.

Compared with some of the other brands out there (check SuperSprint Catted pipes for $3500), these are very well priced. Having worked with the guys over at Riss and seen their development process behind all of their products (and having run their products on my own car), I can personally say it's worth it to have something ready made for these cars.

Again, this is not a solution for everyone. Like I mentioned previously, there are those that take pleasure in designing their own parts which is perfectly fine and quite admirable. For others, the headache, lack of resources or desire is just not worth it for what is in the end, a $100 savings.

[mechanikas]

Originally Posted by Nick@Jlevi SW

Compared with some of the other brands out there (check SuperSprint Catted pipes for $3500), these are very well priced.

.... For others, the headache, lack of resources or desire is just not worth it for what is in the end, a $100 savings.

BS.
First of all SuperSprint catted pipes cost $2782, not $3500. Secondly riss racing pipes are catless, so you can't compare these two. Thirdly SuperSprint is very well known brand worldwide (while nobody knows Riss Racing excluding e90post.com) and it's products are overpriced...

Moreover if you would decide to make your own midpipes you could save AT LEAST $300, not $100.

P.S. You are a good seller

[roozie2001]

the midpipes go right before the secondary cats right?? then after the midpipes are the seconday cats, piping then muffler?? or am i wrong on that?

[Zeph]

Originally Posted by roozie2001

the midpipes go right before the secondary cats right?? then after the midpipes are the seconday cats, piping then muffler?? or am i wrong on that?

they connect the DP's to the 1/2 "exhausts" everyone keeps buying... the axle-back "exhausts" which are nothing more than new mufflers with tips (and maybe a foot of pipe).

If you get AE, HKS, etc that are DP-back (delete the 2nd cats) you don't need a mid-pipe.

[roozie2001]

Originally Posted by Zeph

they connect the DP's to the 1/2 "exhausts" everyone keeps buying... the axle-back "exhausts" which are nothing more than new mufflers with tips (and maybe a foot of pipe).

If you get AE, HKS, etc that are DP-back (delete the 2nd cats) you don't need a mid-pipe.

gotcha. thanks for clearing that up. AE has a great sounding exhaust. Is an exhaust necessary if im getting Catless DPs >?? is the e90 exhaust that restrictive. i know it helps when it comes to weight reduction cuz i think the exhaust on an e90 is 90+lbs

[SV Concepts III]

I think an exhaust and mid pipes are imperative with DPs. You are really hindering the performance and flow of the exhaust system by leaving the factory system. It will create a bottle neck that limits the gains of DPs. Think of your engine as a giant air pump, the smaller the exit, the less amount of exhaust you can pass through.

[NMS335]

Nick, just for reference, how big is the stock exhaust piping diameter? And how big are the RR Midpipes piping diameter?

[Gen_E92]

Originally Posted by NMS335

Nick, just for reference, how big is the stock exhaust piping diameter? And how big are the RR Midpipes piping diameter?

I believe stock is 2.25" and most of the aftermarket exhausts use 2.5" piping including the RR midpipes.

One thing I don't like about them is that they don't taper down to 2.25", therefore there're chances of leaking using clamps, unless you weld them.

[Mote]

Forget RR Midpipes. The price is highway robbery.

I had a shop custom make them. Took them 1 hour...and cost me $60.

Win.

[OGBimmerGuy]

Originally Posted by ianthegreat

Had an exhaust/muffler fab shop quote me $180 incl labor for two bent pipes. Just sayin..

That price seems pretty low...I am guessing that is for a mild steel crush bent section 1. My brother works in an exhaust shop and the price you got quoted sounds more like the cost of material. I know that SS flanges alone are something like $30 - $40 ea. Not including the setup fees on the bender and the labor of going back and forth from the bender to the car to get all the bends just right...