Spacer help. Wheel wobble?

JeffL · 07-19-2009, 03:46 PM

H&R coilovers. I just took the rear spacers off it seems no matter how high I set the suspension it was rubbing. I'm starting to think my rear wheels are not et39 more like 35 or 37 and my fronts were et39. I bought the wheels used so I guess the seller might have screwed up the offsets. I'm going to order an eas 5mm for the rear and see how that goes.

FotiosF90M5 · 07-19-2009, 04:06 PM

Ive had RE 10mm spacers on my fronts with my alufelgen cs7's and also my oem 162's and I dont get any vibrations ever. Maybe H&R really sux that bad. change em out. there is no reason you cant run a spacer in the front.

JeffL · 07-19-2009, 05:18 PM

The 15mm's are doing the job. Wheel fitment is perfect too, actually surprising. H&R's 10's physically look different so I guess, yes they do suck or 10mm spacers are hard to get right.

335iAWFL · 07-19-2009, 10:04 PM

Is the wheel hubcentric? Some wheels have std. centerbores of 73.1mm and BMW's usually are 72.6mm. Although the spacers maybe hubcentric, if the wheel isnt then you will still hub rings

Peter@VMRWheels · 07-19-2009, 10:37 PM

Any spacers between 5 and 12mm in general needs a bit more attention. More than 5mm, the wheels might not sit properly. Around 10-12mm, the spacer either will not sit flush on the hub, or the chamfer won't allow a wheel to mate properly with the spacer. This is generally speaking, meaning that this setup can still work... Double check compatibility of all parts & fitment before/during and after installation.

longtran · 07-20-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffL

LT was right the H&R 10mm spacers suck its like they aren't thick enough to be machined properly. I put the 15mm ones in the front with no issues. They actually fit perfect. I have the 10's on the back now and the car rides fine. Still working on ride height for the rear though as i'm getting some rubbing on hard corners. Doesn't make much sense the wheels are 19x9.5 with et39 so 10mm spacers should work fine. May need to get some 5mm's.

i wouldn't use the 10mm spacers on the rear. this mean that there is a wooble and you can't feel it. I'd take them off and get some other spacers.

JeffL · 07-20-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by longtran

i wouldn't use the 10mm spacers on the rear. this mean that there is a wooble and you can't feel it. I'd take them off and get some other spacers.

they are in the trash. If I could have smashed them in little pieces I would have. Going to order some eas 5mm ones today. 10mm were way to big. I bought my wheels used, fronts were supposed to be 19x8x5 et37 and rears were supposed to be 19x9x8 et39 but these offsets can't be right. I think they are probably reversed.

No way a 15mm spacer in the front should be working as well as it is. And the 10mm in the back doesn't even come close to fitting with out rubbing. Rear tires are 265's.

remmib · 07-20-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffL

they are in the trash. If I could have smashed them in little pieces I would have. Going to order some eas 5mm ones today. 10mm were way to big. I bought my wheels used, fronts were supposed to be 19x8x5 et37 and rears were supposed to be 19x9x8 et39 but these offsets can't be right. I think they are probably reversed.

No way a 15mm spacer in the front should be working as well as it is. And the 10mm in the back doesn't even come close to fitting with out rubbing. Rear tires are 265's.

What kinda wheels do you have, those sounds like e9x OEM 19" offset.

JeffL · 07-20-2009, 11:04 AM

Wheels are Forgeline VR3P's. When I bought them I was told the front was et37 rear et39. This can't be true though as the 15mm spacer in the front would never fit as well as it does. I'm thinking the fronts are et39 or et40 and the rears are et35ish.

The rears with a 10mm spacers stuck out of the wheel wells a good amount. Like the entire side wall was sticking out. So I'm lost on what the actual offsets are.

I just ordered some eas 5mm spacers for the rear, those should do the job. I may order some 10mm ones for the front because in my mind the 15mm that are on there just shouldn't work (even though they do).

StatenEye · 07-20-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dannys 335i

Spacers will accentuate any imbalance. Get your wheels rebalanced. I have 18mm front and 15mm rear.

+1

JeffL · 07-20-2009, 03:59 PM

re-balancing the wheels didn't help. It was definitely the H&R 10mm spacers. The 15's are working fine.

edit also just got confirmation with Forgeline even though I bought the wheels used they have records of them being made and sold. They confirmed fronts are et37 rears are et39. So now I'm lost, in no way could I fit a 10mm spacer on the rear with an et39 and a 265 tire. I should be able to right?

Also that would mean my fronts are now et22, I really don't think so. Will get some sh!tty blackberry pictures after work today. Forgeline wants to see them too.

Peter@VMRWheels · 07-20-2009, 04:09 PM

I saw in your prior post: "19x8x5 et37 and rears were supposed to be 19x9x8 et39"

You might have 19x8.5 ET37 up front, and in the rear, is it 19x9 or 19x8?

With the front offset, you can put a 5mm spacer but you're cutting it close on rubbing, depending on tire. In the rear, well, let me know what the right size is. But if it was 19x9 ET37, you can put 5mm with no problems. 15mm in the back will work but its a brave fitment and require fender rolling

JeffL · 07-20-2009, 04:38 PM

fronts are 19x8.5 et37 and rears are 19x9.5 et39

at least that is what they are supposed to be. Tires are F1GSD3's 235/30 and 265/35. I have H&R coilovers set on the low side.

Currently running 15mm spacers in the front with NO issues, it's still in the wheel well (not flush) coilovers are one full turn from the bottom. I don't get it? There's no way that wheel can be et37.

I tried both the 15mm and 10mm spacers in the back and neither came close to fitting. The 15mm looked ridiculous, tires stuck out inches. The 10mm was still sticking way out with rubbing, this was after I raised the coilovers all the way up. Going to try a 5mm in the rear.

So yeah I'm lost as to what is going on here. And what the actual offsets are on the wheels.

Peter@VMRWheels · 07-20-2009, 05:05 PM

If you don't think the MFR is correct, it'll be pretty hard to determine the offset of a wheel short of finding someone with precision tools.

Based on experience, I can tell you 19x8.5 ET22, if it fits fine at the "low" height, the wheel might not be ET37. We carry ET20, 25, 30, 35, and 40 for that matter and most people go with 35 or 40 up front.

For the rear, a 5mm will more than satisfy your needs. If the bigger spacers you speak of pokes the wheel/tire beyond the fenders, they should be correct on the ET39.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by JeffL

fronts are 19x8.5 et37 and rears are 19x9.5 et39

at least that is what they are supposed to be. Tires are F1GSD3's 235/30 and 265/35. I have H&R coilovers set on the low side.

Currently running 15mm spacers in the front with NO issues, it's still in the wheel well (not flush) coilovers are one full turn from the bottom. I don't get it? There's no way that wheel can be et37.

I tried both the 15mm and 10mm spacers in the back and neither came close to fitting. The 15mm looked ridiculous, tires stuck out inches. The 10mm was still sticking way out with rubbing, this was after I raised the coilovers all the way up. Going to try a 5mm in the rear.

So yeah I'm lost as to what is going on here. And what the actual offsets are on the wheels.

JeffL · 07-20-2009, 06:42 PM

pictures.

This is 19x8.5 et37 with a 235/35 and a 15mm spacer. There is absolutely no rubbing. So is that wheel really et37? I sent these to the manufacture as well as they were asking for them. (Forgeline)

ECSTuning · 07-27-2009, 02:51 PM

Our 10mm spacers are hubcentric and wheelcentric which can certainly prevent the unbalanced issues some of the other spacers cause:

http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E92-335...aign=postreply

JeffL · 07-27-2009, 03:16 PM

thanks for all the ideas. My issues have been solved.

Rouge Engineering 12mm up front. Smooth as silk no rubbing.

EAS 5mm in the rear. Slight rubbing when the suspension fully compresses like on a big highway dip at speed. Will probably leave it.

csupernova · 07-27-2009, 10:13 PM

RE spacer.... I have them, they are great quality! Glad you solve your issue.

Ghost170 · 07-29-2009, 01:52 PM

Make sure when you bolt the wheel onto the spacers, you bolt star formation and tighten each bolt little by little until you are ready to torque it. If you tighten each bolt all the way down, it can throw the wheel and spacer off, hence causing wobbling. The rears you won't notice much, so it is ok to not tighten little by little. But doing so, makes sure that you bolt on the wheel evenly.

07-19-2009, 03:46 PM	#23
JeffL Major 36 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	H&R coilovers. I just took the rear spacers off it seems no matter how high I set the suspension it was rubbing. I'm starting to think my rear wheels are not et39 more like 35 or 37 and my fronts were et39. I bought the wheels used so I guess the seller might have screwed up the offsets. I'm going to order an eas 5mm for the rear and see how that goes. __________________ no sig.
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FotiosF90M5 ///M Specialist South Shore BMW 800 Rep 7,109 Posts Drives: 2021 M5 Comp BHG/Silverstone Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: South Shore, MA iTrader: (62)	Ive had RE 10mm spacers on my fronts with my alufelgen cs7's and also my oem 162's and I dont get any vibrations ever. Maybe H&R really sux that bad. change em out. there is no reason you cant run a spacer in the front. __________________ 2021 M5 COMPETITION LCI Brands Hatch Gray on SIlverstone, carbon roof, comp wheels, Mperf splitter, carbon pro spoiler, carbon diffuser , carbon paddles, executive pkg. Dinan HAS, RaceChip, dinan spacers, FC stud kit, etc
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07-19-2009, 05:18 PM	#25
JeffL Major 36 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	The 15mm's are doing the job. Wheel fitment is perfect too, actually surprising. H&R's 10's physically look different so I guess, yes they do suck or 10mm spacers are hard to get right. __________________ no sig.
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335iAWFL Second Lieutenant 16 Rep 243 Posts Drives: 07 BMW 335i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Orlando, FL iTrader: (3)	Is the wheel hubcentric? Some wheels have std. centerbores of 73.1mm and BMW's usually are 72.6mm. Although the spacers maybe hubcentric, if the wheel isnt then you will still hub rings __________________ www.tunerzine.com
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07-19-2009, 10:37 PM	#27
Peter@VMRWheels BimmerPost Supporting Vendor 94 Rep 685 Posts Drives: P85D Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Irvine, CA iTrader: (0)	Any spacers between 5 and 12mm in general needs a bit more attention. More than 5mm, the wheels might not sit properly. Around 10-12mm, the spacer either will not sit flush on the hub, or the chamfer won't allow a wheel to mate properly with the spacer. This is generally speaking, meaning that this setup can still work... Double check compatibility of all parts & fitment before/during and after installation.
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07-20-2009, 11:04 AM	#31
JeffL Major 36 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	Wheels are Forgeline VR3P's. When I bought them I was told the front was et37 rear et39. This can't be true though as the 15mm spacer in the front would never fit as well as it does. I'm thinking the fronts are et39 or et40 and the rears are et35ish. The rears with a 10mm spacers stuck out of the wheel wells a good amount. Like the entire side wall was sticking out. So I'm lost on what the actual offsets are. I just ordered some eas 5mm spacers for the rear, those should do the job. I may order some 10mm ones for the front because in my mind the 15mm that are on there just shouldn't work (even though they do). __________________ no sig.
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07-20-2009, 03:59 PM	#33
JeffL Major 36 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	re-balancing the wheels didn't help. It was definitely the H&R 10mm spacers. The 15's are working fine. edit also just got confirmation with Forgeline even though I bought the wheels used they have records of them being made and sold. They confirmed fronts are et37 rears are et39. So now I'm lost, in no way could I fit a 10mm spacer on the rear with an et39 and a 265 tire. I should be able to right? Also that would mean my fronts are now et22, I really don't think so. Will get some sh!tty blackberry pictures after work today. Forgeline wants to see them too. __________________ no sig.
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07-20-2009, 04:09 PM	#34
Peter@VMRWheels BimmerPost Supporting Vendor 94 Rep 685 Posts Drives: P85D Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Irvine, CA iTrader: (0)	I saw in your prior post: "19x8x5 et37 and rears were supposed to be 19x9x8 et39" You might have 19x8.5 ET37 up front, and in the rear, is it 19x9 or 19x8? With the front offset, you can put a 5mm spacer but you're cutting it close on rubbing, depending on tire. In the rear, well, let me know what the right size is. But if it was 19x9 ET37, you can put 5mm with no problems. 15mm in the back will work but its a brave fitment and require fender rolling
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07-20-2009, 04:38 PM	#35
JeffL Major 36 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	fronts are 19x8.5 et37 and rears are 19x9.5 et39 at least that is what they are supposed to be. Tires are F1GSD3's 235/30 and 265/35. I have H&R coilovers set on the low side. Currently running 15mm spacers in the front with NO issues, it's still in the wheel well (not flush) coilovers are one full turn from the bottom. I don't get it? There's no way that wheel can be et37. I tried both the 15mm and 10mm spacers in the back and neither came close to fitting. The 15mm looked ridiculous, tires stuck out inches. The 10mm was still sticking way out with rubbing, this was after I raised the coilovers all the way up. Going to try a 5mm in the rear. So yeah I'm lost as to what is going on here. And what the actual offsets are on the wheels. __________________ no sig.
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07-20-2009, 06:42 PM	#37
JeffL Major 36 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	pictures. This is 19x8.5 et37 with a 235/35 and a 15mm spacer. There is absolutely no rubbing. So is that wheel really et37? I sent these to the manufacture as well as they were asking for them. (Forgeline) __________________ no sig.
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07-27-2009, 02:51 PM	#38
ECSTuning New Lifetime Replacement Policy 846 Rep 11,738 Posts Drives: Independent Tuning Specialists Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ohio iTrader: (18)	Our 10mm spacers are hubcentric and wheelcentric which can certainly prevent the unbalanced issues some of the other spacers cause: http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E92-335...aign=postreply Last edited by ECSTuning; 11-13-2009 at 02:38 PM..
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07-27-2009, 03:16 PM	#39
JeffL Major 36 Rep 1,202 Posts Drives: C63 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts iTrader: (1)	thanks for all the ideas. My issues have been solved. Rouge Engineering 12mm up front. Smooth as silk no rubbing. EAS 5mm in the rear. Slight rubbing when the suspension fully compresses like on a big highway dip at speed. Will probably leave it. __________________ no sig.
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07-27-2009, 10:13 PM	#40
csupernova Captain 33 Rep 606 Posts Drives: E90 330i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC iTrader: (7)	RE spacer.... I have them, they are great quality! Glad you solve your issue.
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Ghost170 Brigadier General 89 Rep 3,355 Posts Drives: VIP Sport 335! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: N CA iTrader: (8) Garage List 2007 BMW e92 335! [6.34]	Make sure when you bolt the wheel onto the spacers, you bolt star formation and tighten each bolt little by little until you are ready to torque it. If you tighten each bolt all the way down, it can throw the wheel and spacer off, hence causing wobbling. The rears you won't notice much, so it is ok to not tighten little by little. But doing so, makes sure that you bolt on the wheel evenly. __________________ *07 E92 335!* AA AE GP HR LC M3 KW BMS BMW LUX CYBA STRI WORK HELIX MTECH LSWEEE(Wavetrac)!
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