[kenneth]

Originally Posted by XLR8MF

Fact: I have had both and run the JB3.
I think the whole gestapo mentality is dumb that someone can't ask a question without serching first. If he wants to search, then fine, if he doesn;t that's fine too. And the OP hasn't "done anything" it is the retarded responses that you should be suprised at not the honest question.

True, and the thread is clean SO FAR! I am curious to see who cannot resist the first retarded response.

[midlife]

Originally Posted by kenneth

True, and the thread is clean SO FAR! I am curious to see who cannot resist the first retarded response.

where is lawdude ???

....joking

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by midlife

where is lawdude ???

....joking

OK, you win!

[midlife]

Originally Posted by Kelvin1000

I would like to know the answer to this as well...

if you are the same kevin from n54tech: then you are too funny

[OpenFlash]

Can a mod clean this thread up? The OP asked a reasonable question. Let's try to keep it on topic, k?

Shiv

[M3R1]

Subscribed...

[kenneth]

IMHO, one is no "better" than the other! You need to know which is better for YOU!

That should have been OPs original question.

[klipseracer]

Yes please, lets keep this on topic. I'd really like to see everyone getting along.

I will probably be purchasing the PROcede, HOWEVER...

If power is what you are most interested in, the JB3 has obtained a reputation from its users and even people partial to the PROcede to have just this. I'm not saying the PROcede isn't powerful, however the Juice Box is 'known' to deliver a more powerful driving feel. The PROcede is 'known' to provide a smoother, cleaner power delivery. The JB3 is inexpensive, very good bang for buck and with the new logging abilities coming out is VERY tempting. Also, just because there are more features on the PROcede does not make them better. Technically, you could have a million features or data sources, yet still not be better in the eyes of the consumer. Some consumers want speed, others want smooth power, others want every bit of piece of mind possible, some customers want a low cost entry point so on. Your typical 'chipper' may not care about upgrading or any of those other features etc. But to say one is better than the other, you need to specify more precisely on which plane.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by badass1g

might as well ask if a ford or chevy is best. everyone will have different awnsers.

That does not equate as both Ford and Chevy comply with the manufacturers components they use. Obviously this is an academic discussion but the JB3 does not comply with the recommendations of the chip manufacturer they use.

[NRG]

Both have their pluses and minuses IMO. OP, the best way to find witch suits you and your car better is to take advantage of 14/15 days money back from BMS and Vishnu and try them both. 1 try is better then 100 answers.

[midlife]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

Yes please, lets keep this on topic. I'd really like to see everyone getting along.

I will probably be purchasing the PROcede, HOWEVER...

If power is what you are most interested in, the JB3 has obtained a reputation from its users and even people partial to the PROcede to have just this. I'm not saying the PROcede isn't powerful, however the Juice Box is 'known' to deliver a more powerful driving feel. The PROcede is 'known' to provide a smoother, cleaner power delivery. The JB3 is inexpensive, very good bang for buck and with the new logging abilities coming out is VERY tempting. Also, just because there are more features on the PROcede does not make them better. Technically, you could have a million features or data sources, yet still not be better in the eyes of the consumer. Some consumers want speed, others want smooth power, others want every bit of piece of mind possible, some customers want a low cost entry point so on. Your typical 'chipper' may not care about upgrading or any of those other features etc. But to say one is better than the other, you need to specify more precisely on which plane.

+10

WOW - great post from someone trying to be as objective as possible.
btw, don´t forget about customer service either !!

to the OP:
both tunes really are great: you can read this thread and other comparision threads and you will see that lovers of both these tunes are ususally very passionate about their ultimate choice.
... i say ultimate choice because some users have gone thru up to three or four different tunes before settling on one.

cheers, good luck, and have fun

[joyride08]

You should also research the tuners... Specifically EVO tuners, and see what that crowd has to say...

[vgame64]

I have a feeling if the V3 was the same cost as the JB3, most people would get the V3.

Just a feeling; chime in with your own opinions!

[datbimmerdoe]

[adrian1480]

Originally Posted by vgame64

I have a feeling if the V3 was the same cost as the JB3, most people would get the V3.

Just a feeling; chime in with your own opinions!

probably.

I bought the JB because of the price, which meant an easier entrance into the tuning world. If my only options had been $1,200-$1,500 minumum investments into what was a new space for me, I'm pretty sure my car would have remained stock for its lifetime.

so god bless the Juicebox, because it provided a soft entry into the performance market...with Vaseline.

now that I think about it, I probably still would have went with the JB because the amount that I use the JB's higher settings are so rare that the benefits of detailed information and readouts provided on other, more expensive products would have been lost on me. I'd just never use them. So for my needs, the JB provided the best value. If, on the other hand, that kind of tweaking was something I needed or desired to get that "perfect, anal-retentive tweak", I wouldn't have hesitated to get something more expensive and flexible in that way.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by midlife

where is lawdude ???

....joking

lawdude's negotiating the price on a used 2010 Shelby GT500. If that works out I'll be hanging out on another board. Should know by this weekend. Anyone interested in a well-kept 335i?

[rbaldwin28]

Buy the PROcede rev 2, Ae performance exhaust and and, any DCI and Get...

By rbaldwin
Whithout Fine tuning. (no lap top yet.)

[A418t81]

Originally Posted by lawdude

lawdude's negotiating the price on a used 2010 Shelby GT500. If that works out I'll be hanging out on another board. Should know by this weekend. Anyone interested in a well-kept 335i?

If you are modded, your new car will hardly be faster in a straight line than your current one. My buddy has an 08 with full exhaust and he barely put a car length on me running to, er, high speeds...repeatedly.

*Yes, I realize the mustang is nearly stock, can be a 10 sec car for a little $$, etc, etc.

[Kelvin1000]

Having owned both over the years and speaking only in terms of PERFORMANCE: I can say that over the years it has gone back and forth many times with the edge probably going to the JB3 more than half the time. I am waiting to try out the new PROcede maps so this can change but both tunes are much better than they were even a year ago in terms of smoothness, lagfix, bogfix and power.

Both will end up featuring enough maps and user adjustable paramenters that the user can finish dialing in their maps for maximum power. All around that I believe the difference in PERFORMANCE to be marginal at this point.

However: Run catless downpipes, upgraded intercoolers or meth on one tune and not the other... and then the difference will NOT be marginal.

[scheherazade]

Originally Posted by joyride08

You should also research the tuners... Specifically EVO tuners, and see what that crowd has to say...

EVO tuners generally get a flash, and it's a custom dyno-tuned flash at their garage of choice.

-scheherazade

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

If I understand correctly, then the jb3 has a faster 1/4 and more power. With a bt tool then you can log and clear codes. But the PROcede has access to more settings such as oil temp, can clear codes on its own, but costs more.

So a jb3 with bt tool is a great combo. The PROcede with its features is great too and only costs a few hundred more. You have to ask yourself whether or not the extra features of the PROcede is something that you will take advantage of. Compare the features and the price with the performance.

Price/Performance or Features/Performance. Pick one. JB3 combo is $700. PROcede is on sale for $945. Is the $245 worth the extra features of the PROcede?

in general I see JB's putting down a little more power on race gas and running faster 1/4 mile times. Its due to the way the car is tuned, more boost and no active timing retard means your riding the knock sensors which works well on race gas for sure. Seems the JB customers are much more geared to the drag strip so you see more results.

personally I find the featuers of the Procede to be worth way more than $245.

[twinturbopg]

Originally Posted by Sniz

in general I see JB's putting down a little more power on race gas and running faster 1/4 mile times. Its due to the way the car is tuned, more boost and no active timing retard means your riding the knock sensors which works well on race gas for sure. Seems the JB customers are much more geared to the drag strip so you see more results.

personally I find the featuers of the Procede to be worth way more than $245.

Both you and Prowess Symphony bring up good points...I am new to tuning and I was leaning towards jb3 cuz of price but leaning towards Procede cuz I know a few ppl with them and more importantly had a sense of comfort since they have been out for awhile. But also knowing that vishnutuning is local shop I could just go in there and have them look at it. Which that did play well to my hand and the customer support by Shiv was great. software and psi settings needed to be changed.

Now the cost factor...I was able to get a used Procede V3 RevI for well under what a new jb3 costs...only feature lacking between the new procede RevII and RevI is the Canbus feature, if you don't care about it then it plays in your hand. So in my luck I was able to get a used Procede for chip and was able to get the level of new customer support from Shiv himself which was great (there is a post about...no worries not going to lol

So as new to tuning I would suggest considering going with a local tune shop just in case you come across something....etc. You have that comfort of going to a local shop that is the actually tuning company themselves.

But also I would like to say that I read someone else wrote on the post that both JB3 and Procede have a X amount of days return policy. So if that process is smooth I say why not just do that if you want to try both.

I plan on keeping my car for many years so going with the Procede for longevity is my highest priority...with least maintenance costs down the road.