[Schumacher]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

same features as a G37 vert with just Premium Pkg, the 335i equipped is a little over 60k MSRP. go build one. plus i can get the G37 vert for invoice (family) its hard to compare the two as they are so far apart in price.

Are you telling us that a 335i cannot be had at invoice?

[Bimmer007]

if i were you i would get a g37 vert, also you don't have to worry about fuel pumps

[san~man]

Originally Posted by Schumacher

Are you telling us that a 335i cannot be had at invoice?

How many people do you actually know that bought a BMW at invoice?

[Cookiemonster]

I would do the g37 vert. Just seems in the last few years the 3 series has raised in price to a point that I am not sure it is worth it. Sure the twin turbo 3 series is a better car then the 37 series but at what price point does it not make sense anymore.

To me the best part of a vert is nite time driving. The heat is not what kills you its the sun. Last time I looked AZ has a night time and that is the best time for a Vert.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by Cookiemonster

I would do the g37 vert. Just seems in the last few years the 3 series has raised in price to a point that I am not sure it is worth it. Sure the twin turbo 3 series is a better car then the 37 series but at what price point does it not make sense anymore.

To me the best part of a vert is nite time driving. The heat is not what kills you its the sun. Last time I looked AZ has a night time and that is the best time for a Vert.

thanks for comments cookiemonster! you and i are on the same page!

based on your pic/avatar, i can understand why you only drop the top at night.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by Schumacher

Are you telling us that a 335i cannot be had at invoice?

uh.......maybe a 335i sedan
probably not a 335i coupe
and DEFINETLY not a 335i convertible


i am interested in a convertible, no way i am getting an e93 at invoice. and even if that was possible, comparing an e93 (with similar equipment) at invoice to a G37 at invoice is still a big difference?

[warmtoes]

I'll probably get flamed for this but how about a 135 vert? It is smaller inside but has more trunk space with the top down than either the G37 or the E93. And, it's as fast as the E92 and faster than the E93. Not sure about the G37 but I would think it would be faster than that too considering it is a hard top convertible.

[EJ2000]

I looked at both (not verts but coupes). The 335i is a great car - but when you option them out, a $10-12k difference is fairly significant (maybe more on a vert?). I have not regretted my decision to get the G37 and the tech integration is very important to me. My buddy has a 335xi and he still has to use the aux cable for his ipod on his logic7 stereo. How is a cable a $500 option and not standard??? But I digress. In an ideal world, or one where money is not an object at least, most people would go 335i vert. But my opinion is that you get nearly as good of a car for much less in price with the G37 vert. That said, either way you go, pick a color that hides those hard-top seams...

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by EJ2000

I looked at both (not verts but coupes). The 335i is a great car - but when you option them out, a $10-12k difference is fairly significant (maybe more on a vert?). I have not regretted my decision to get the G37 and the tech integration is very important to me. My buddy has a 335xi and he still has to use the aux cable for his ipod on his logic7 stereo. How is a cable a $500 option and not standard??? But I digress. In an ideal world, or one where money is not an object at least, most people would go 335i vert. But my opinion is that you get nearly as good of a car for much less in price with the G37 vert. That said, either way you go, pick a color that hides those hard-top seams...

thanks for the thoughts. i hope the 2010 G37 Vert comes out in the next couple of months (my 335Ci is up in April) with the higher resolution screen. i will surely miss having the iDrive knob within grasp while keeping my eyes on the road. i don't like that Infiniti has all those buttons and a similar knob in front of the monitor. any thoughts on Infiniti Navi/BT/ipod interface?

and yes i would get the G37 conv with black exterior, stone interior. i probably wouldn't get the S (or sport pkg) because i wouldn't want to sacrafice the cooling seat function!

[Schumacher]

Originally Posted by san~man

How many people do you actually know that bought a BMW at invoice?

Anybody that looked/asked around before going to the dealer

[Schumacher]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

uh.......maybe a 335i sedan
probably not a 335i coupe
and DEFINETLY not a 335i convertible


i am interested in a convertible, no way i am getting an e93 at invoice. and even if that was possible, comparing an e93 (with similar equipment) at invoice to a G37 at invoice is still a big difference?

Why would you only get a Saloon at invoice?

If you looked at the Purchase section, you would know people have been getting invoice or a $100 more than it on all kinds of 335i. In fact, some dealers will even sell you a car near ED invoice if you wanted to go that way (this even applied to the M3).

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by Schumacher

Why would you only get a Saloon at invoice?

If you looked at the Purchase section, you would know people have been getting invoice or a $100 more than it on all kinds of 335i. In fact, some dealers will even sell you a car near ED invoice if you wanted to go that way (this even applied to the M3).

ok maybe something SITTING on the lot, but I have always ordered cars and i seriously doubt i could get an e93 special ordered at invoice. i don't think BMW is that desperate.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, for the 10th time, even an e93 [equipped] at invoice COMPARED to a G37 [equipped] at invoice is still a big price gap.

AND TO OTHER MEMBERS, the TROLL alert is going off. Schumacher is a NEW member, drives a F2009?, and lives in a Box. Maybe in a BOX they sell all 335i's at invoice.

[EJ2000]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

thanks for the thoughts. i hope the 2010 G37 Vert comes out in the next couple of months (my 335Ci is up in April) with the higher resolution screen. i will surely miss having the iDrive knob within grasp while keeping my eyes on the road. i don't like that Infiniti has all those buttons and a similar knob in front of the monitor. any thoughts on Infiniti Navi/BT/ipod interface?

and yes i would get the G37 conv with black exterior, stone interior. i probably wouldn't get the S (or sport pkg) because i wouldn't want to sacrafice the cooling seat function!

When I got my G37, I thought the interface was much better than iDrive. I haven't driven a newer model 335i to really compare the updates and changes to iDrive. As for the Navigation controls, I don't mind the knob itself, but the placement is the problem. It is a long reach and you might even have to lean forward a bit if you have shorter arms. I think the interface is fairly intuitive and you can reach many controls with a single button press. So I guess it's a trade-off between a clean look but hierarchical inputs or a more flat menu system with more buttons.

I think the bluetooth works great and I appreciate being able to control the ipod through the Nav, and have the menus be sortable just like the ipod. I also use the steering wheel controls and voice activation for many phone and navigation controls. The only thing I really use the knob for is the ipod.

So can't really compare to the new iDrive since I haven't used it. But at the time (2.5 years ago), I felt the G37 had the best interface on an entry level luxury car. With the updated interfaces, higher res TFTs, etc - that very well may no longer be the case.

Sounds like a good combo - I have a Black G37 and I think is far and away the best color - probably even more so with a vert. With the stone interior and cooled seats that would help out a lot with AZ heat, too. That hardtop is pretty heavy though so as long as you don't mind the performance hit, then I don't think the S makes a huge difference either.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by EJ2000

When I got my G37, I thought the interface was much better than iDrive. I haven't driven a newer model 335i to really compare the updates and changes to iDrive. As for the Navigation controls, I don't mind the knob itself, but the placement is the problem. It is a long reach and you might even have to lean forward a bit if you have shorter arms. I think the interface is fairly intuitive and you can reach many controls with a single button press. So I guess it's a trade-off between a clean look but hierarchical inputs or a more flat menu system with more buttons.

I think the bluetooth works great and I appreciate being able to control the ipod through the Nav, and have the menus be sortable just like the ipod. I also use the steering wheel controls and voice activation for many phone and navigation controls. The only thing I really use the knob for is the ipod.

So can't really compare to the new iDrive since I haven't used it. But at the time (2.5 years ago), I felt the G37 had the best interface on an entry level luxury car. With the updated interfaces, higher res TFTs, etc - that very well may no longer be the case.

Sounds like a good combo - I have a Black G37 and I think is far and away the best color - probably even more so with a vert. With the stone interior and cooled seats that would help out a lot with AZ heat, too. That hardtop is pretty heavy though so as long as you don't mind the performance hit, then I don't think the S makes a huge difference either.

Thanks again for info. Any problem loading your address book into your G37? I love how when i pair my iPhone to my 335i (or any BMW) that my entire address book is avialable from my Navi screen. i hope this is the case with Infiniti.

The biggest things I will miss from the S (or Sport pkg) are the Sport front facsia, the bigger/infiniti caliper brakes, aluminum pedals are nice, and the wheels are will probably just get as an option. i am actually thinking of having the dealership dip the 19s in chrome, to contrast with the black exterior. very common in AZ i have learned for dealers to dip OEM rims in chrome, they never offered that back east (winters).

[Schumacher]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

ok maybe something SITTING on the lot, but I have always ordered cars and i seriously doubt i could get an e93 special ordered at invoice. i don't think BMW is that desperate.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, for the 10th time, even an e93 [equipped] at invoice COMPARED to a G37 [equipped] at invoice is still a big price gap.

AND TO OTHER MEMBERS, the TROLL alert is going off. Schumacher is a NEW member, drives a F2009?, and lives in a Box. Maybe in a BOX they sell all 335i's at invoice.

So if you cannot argue, you have to bring up my joining up date?

Did you notice that your entire post collection was filled with words like "i don't think" "probably" "don't know if" and other such crap? Looks like pretty weak ammunition with which to chide a guy.

P.S: The F2009 is the codename for the 2009 Ferrari F1 car. Looks like you don't even know what that is.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by Schumacher

So if you cannot argue, you have to bring up my joining up date?

Did you notice that your entire post collection was filled with words like "i don't think" "probably" "don't know if" and other such crap? Looks like pretty weak ammunition with which to chide a guy.

P.S: The F2009 is the codename for the 2009 Ferrari F1 car. Looks like you don't even know what that is.

i will admit i don't know Ferrari codes, those are cars out of my league...i guess that is what you drive?

go back to playing Forza 3 Michael Schumacher!

[Schumacher]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

i will admit i don't know Ferrari codes, those are cars out of my league...i guess that is what you drive? or is that another heap of BS?

go back to playing Forza 3 Michael Schumacher!

Another? I think you have yet to prove any of my statements wrong.

In any case, do whatever. Your choice of car does not bother me in the least and you have shown to be completely incapable of carrying a civilized conversation.

P.S: People don't join a Forum unless they own the stuff they are about. I will leave it here before you look like a bigger tool pursuing this angle. About the F2009, they don't sell the 2009 F1 car the same year it finishes a season.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by Schumacher

Another? I think you have yet to prove any of my statements wrong.

In any case, do whatever. Your choice of car does not bother me in the least and you have shown to be completely incapable of carrying a civilized conversation.

P.S: People don't join a Forum unless they own the stuff they are about. I will leave it here before you look like a bigger tool pursuing this angle. About the F2009, they don't sell the 2009 F1 car the same year it finishes a season.

hey you are the one who drives a G37 and you are talking about how easy it is to get invoice pricing on BMWs? that is insulting all of us that drive BMWs that did not pay invoice pricing. so how am i the tool?

others are questioning YOUR statements, not mine.

[san~man]

Originally Posted by matt_335Ci

ok maybe something SITTING on the lot, but I have always ordered cars and i seriously doubt i could get an e93 special ordered at invoice. i don't think BMW is that desperate.

I agree.

Show me someone, anyone, with proof, that he/she purchased a 335i for invoice. I would be willing to be that only a handful exist, and even those are the exception rather than the norm. Hell, my friend who's a mechanic at the local dealer doesn't even get a car at invoice. Invoice plus a %, yes, but straight invoice, no.

That's not including cars sitting on the lot. Of course the dealer is going to be willing and motivated to sell a car on the lot for cheap or even at a potential loss just to move it. If it's a last MY car, even moreso. I doubt that many have gotten a "ordered" 335i at invoice.

Again, Schumacher, don't speculate, provide proof or at least a link to a thread where a member claims to have purchased their car at invoice. I'll admit I don't read EVERY single thread, but I haven't seen one yet.

[matt_435xi]

Originally Posted by san~man

I agree.

Show me someone, anyone, with proof, that he/she purchased a 335i for invoice. I would be willing to be that only a handful exist, and even those are the exception rather than the norm. Hell, my friend who's a mechanic at the local dealer doesn't even get a car at invoice. Invoice plus a %, yes, but straight invoice, no.

That's not including cars sitting on the lot. Of course the dealer is going to be willing and motivated to sell a car on the lot for cheap or even at a potential loss just to move it. If it's a last MY car, even moreso. I doubt that many have gotten a "ordered" 335i at invoice.

Again, don't speculate, provide proof or at least a link to a thread where a member claims to have purchased their car at invoice. I'll admit I don't read EVERY single thread, but I haven't seen one yet.

thanks for your support san~man, but i don't want this thread to turn into proving this troll wrong.
rather, anyone that has comments regarding my original post, please share.

[san~man]

BTW Matt, I have a 08 G35 too, so if you want an unbiased opinion (although the motor is slightly different between the 35 and 37) PM me.

[PoorMan]

Originally Posted by domobrown

Unfortunate how ricer has become synonymous with Japanese cars.

Thankfully most of us know better..