[Citizen Z]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I don't.

Your argument is just full of holes.

How is a total pothead any different than a chronic alcoholic? Neither are acceptable in general society. If you're stoned pretty much 100% of the time, you're going to get the same reaction as if you're mildly drunk all the time, like a true alcoholic. Neither will be able to hold a respectable job. Come into work drunk and you're going to get a negative review just like if you came in stoned.

Smoking dope every once in a while isn't much different from people who drink socially. I'm equating people who light up a couple times every damn day as the same as people who feel the need to drink 4-6++ 12oz beers every day. Employers and society will not find either acceptable, even if marajuana is legalized.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Citizen Z

How is a total pothead any different than a chronic alcoholic? Neither are acceptable in general society. If you're stoned pretty much 100% of the time, you're going to get the same reaction as if you're mildly drunk all the time, like a true alcoholic. Neither will be able to hold a respectable job. Come into work drunk and you're going to get a negative review just like if you came in stoned.

Smoking dope every once in a while isn't much different from people who drink socially. I'm equating people who light up a couple times every damn day as the same as people who feel the need to drink 4-6++ 12oz beers every day. Employers and society will not find either acceptable, even if marajuana is legalized.

Searching online for "Most successful potheads". Be back in a minute. There has to be some millionaire heavy smokers.


I am not saying what is right and wrong. My stance is whatever greases your chain and makes YOU happy...go ahead on.

I found this. Most would seem to be former potheads..wink wink.


There's a blog currently making a list of successful potheads:

"Barack Obama. Bill Clinton, 42nd president of the U.S. John Kerry, U.S. Senator and 2004 Democratic nominee for president. John Edwards, multi-millionaire, former U.S. Senator, and 2004 Democratic nominee for vice president. Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska, 2008 Republican nominee for vice president. British Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, Transport Secretary Ruth Kelly, and and Chancellor Alistair Darling. Josh Howard, NBA all-star. New York Governor David Paterson. Former Vice President, Nobel Peace Prize winner, and Oscar winner Al Gore. Former Sen. Bill Bradley, who smoked while playing professional basketball. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, and former New York Governor George Pataki. Billionaire and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg."

It can be found here, with many more in the comments: http://www.theagitator.com/2008/11/07...

[mpimping]

The herbal supplements don't work. I beat the test btw.

[evoi19]

Originally Posted by Citizen Z

You're right, I should have emphasized its hard to be a seriously regarded member of the business community, at least white collar. My downstairs neighbor smokes like three to five times a day and while I'm pretty laid back about pot, I definitely don't take him seriously. Now chief'n a couple times a weeks is one thing, couple times a day is an entirely other thing.

you'd be very surprised at how many executives actually do some sort of recreational drug. Especially on wall street...there are so many people who smoke or do coke.

[lcrain]

I have a large amount of knowledge about these tests, as I take them often, and I would have to say it depends who is testing you. If it it a cheap take home test, drinking a lot of water will do the trick for most. Problem with drinking a lot of water is that if the tester is smart enough they will be able to tell whether you have diluted the sample. I have seen people go to jail for diluting a urine sample. Legitimate lab testers can tell if you are trying to hide something, it all just depends how intensely you are being tested. The more water you have in your urine, the less that urine will appear to be a normal human sample.

Another question I would ask is if they are going to look at you while you pee in the cup. If they are, you should try either a detox drink or a 2 week pill detox treatment that will legitimately flush your system. Both of these can be bought at most smoke shops. If they are not going to be looking at you while you pee in the cup I would recommend purchasing a synthetic urine system that straps around your waist. There is a company that makes these that actually has a fake penis that is controlled by a valve. Other have a small hose that can be cut to come down right by your penis. The problem with these is that you need to get the synthetic urine to the right temperature. Most of the kits that you buy come with warmers that you put on the urine pouch that warms the urine to body temperature. From my experience you can simply strap the pouch around your waist an hour or so before the test and it will be warmed simply by body heat. I feel that this is the best way to do it if you are testing for a job or something along those lines where they are not going to go to extremes to catch you.

If you are testing for a legal issue, I would do your best to flush your system naturally with exercise, water, and supplements. They have the means to go to any lengths to make sure that your sample is legitimate.

Good luck

[Citizen Z]

You guys are missing my point. Casual/recreation pot use <> pothead. And no the fucking president doesn't toke up every afternoon, gonzo.

[Los Angeles]

I don't think you'll be able to get all of it out of your system in just 12 days.

You can try the excessive water consumption, excercise, and all the above but with only 12 days to do so, you're likely to fail the test.

Were you not warned about a test coming up??

Or was it just completely random??

[StrifeM3]

How about wheat grass from Jamba juice i had friend who recently tried that every day for 2 weeks before he took his drug test and he passed...

[matt browne]

Find a job that doesn't test.

[Kroy]

Originally Posted by DocSean

+1. At least the alcoholics don't come into my pharmacy in the middle of the day, hammered off their ass wasting my time asking "how can I pass a drug test next week". I've got half a sense to just start calling the cops on these dumb asses.

I don't get it... What's the context?

Originally Posted by Citizen Z

You guys are missing my point. Casual/recreation pot use <> pothead. And no the fucking president doesn't toke up every afternoon, gonzo.

My friend tokes every single day after work. Goes through like a quarter a week. Steady job, reliable guy. I know many people like this. Pretty much daily smokers who have their priorities straight.

[Kroy]

Originally Posted by lcrain

I have a large amount of knowledge about these tests, as I take them often, and I would have to say it depends who is testing you. If it it a cheap take home test, drinking a lot of water will do the trick for most. Problem with drinking a lot of water is that if the tester is smart enough they will be able to tell whether you have diluted the sample. I have seen people go to jail for diluting a urine sample. Legitimate lab testers can tell if you are trying to hide something, it all just depends how intensely you are being tested. The more water you have in your urine, the less that urine will appear to be a normal human sample.

Another question I would ask is if they are going to look at you while you pee in the cup. If they are, you should try either a detox drink or a 2 week pill detox treatment that will legitimately flush your system. Both of these can be bought at most smoke shops. If they are not going to be looking at you while you pee in the cup I would recommend purchasing a synthetic urine system that straps around your waist. There is a company that makes these that actually has a fake penis that is controlled by a valve. Other have a small hose that can be cut to come down right by your penis. The problem with these is that you need to get the synthetic urine to the right temperature. Most of the kits that you buy come with warmers that you put on the urine pouch that warms the urine to body temperature. From my experience you can simply strap the pouch around your waist an hour or so before the test and it will be warmed simply by body heat. I feel that this is the best way to do it if you are testing for a job or something along those lines where they are not going to go to extremes to catch you.

If you are testing for a legal issue, I would do your best to flush your system naturally with exercise, water, and supplements. They have the means to go to any lengths to make sure that your sample is legitimate.

Good luck

The strap on is one of the best ways to go from what I hear as well. Just put a clean sample in the pouch and be sure not to spill on yourself. I forgot what those fake penises are called though, urinator? I remember it was something-nator.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Citizen Z

You guys are missing my point. Casual/recreation pot use <> pothead. And no the fucking president doesn't toke up every afternoon, gonzo.

Good lord, where did I say he does?

And the fake penis thing is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there as far as getting around some dirty pee. What if it fell off while walking are something?

[ideliver]

Its hard to flush because THC is stored in fat cells...test positive for up to 30 days..you best bet is to mask the test using the supplements...they cause you to spill a ton of protein in your urine...the problem here is that while you tested negative...they are suspicious because of all the protein in your urine...since you have some time, starvation, hydration and supplements is IMHO the best option

BTW...smoking does not make you a looser...

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by ideliver

Its hard to flush because THC is stored in fat cells...test positive for up to 30 days..you best bet is to mask the test using the supplements...they cause you to spill a ton of protein in your urine...the problem here is that while you tested negative...they are suspicious because of all the protein in your urine...since you have some time, starvation, hydration and supplements is IMHO the best option

BTW...smoking does not make you a looser...

Pretty much what I was trying to relay but seemed to have failed miserably. Thanks for turning my bulb back on.

The world is filled with awful and disgusting people whom don't smoke, curse or drink. Pick your poison.

[hhkim]

Originally Posted by Kroy

The strap on is one of the best ways to go from what I hear as well. Just put a clean sample in the pouch and be sure not to spill on yourself. I forgot what those fake penises are called though, urinator? I remember it was something-nator.

Wizzinator!! Some NFL player got caught with that I think a few years ago.

http://www.mahalo.com/whizzinator

[darkcloud]

Originally Posted by brocken

Now your argument is turning into a for legalization rather than how much of a slacker a pothead can be. I agree that it's ridiculous marijuana is illegal, it's no more harmful than beer or wine in the right situation.

The problem with your argument that a pothead is no worse than an alcohol drinker is when was the last time you saw somebody drunk at work? It's far easier for those that smoke to get away with being toasted during the day.

Also, there are varying degrees of potheadedness. The people I know that smoke occasionally have no problem being productive at work and in the rest of their lives. The people I know what smoke it all the time, however, are some of the most lazy, unproductive people I know.

Like you said, it's like alcohol. And alcohol is fine in moderation and the right situation. The problem that can happen with pot is that people can get away with doing it all the time more easily than you can drink all day.

All I'm saying is that people should have the choice. If they can't handle it properly like alcohol then that's their own damn fault. I just think it's a all around waste of resources to ban, enforce, and keep off the streets.

Funny thing is was an area talk show was just talking about this topic, kinda. I guess Weed is considered a class 1 drug or whatever by our government. That lumps weed in with LSD, X, Trip, Meth, Coke, etc..., they reach this category because these drugs are said to be harmful while having no benefits. Sounds familiar to other things we all brought up that many of us consume regularly, tobacco and alcohol. The difference is a ton of money is tossed around by the tobacco and alcohol companies and back some D-bag govenors plans so hey nothing wrong with those items.

Now don't take this the wrong way. I think every other drug in that list should be highly banned because someone could OD after one try of those drugs but to OD on weed, you have just as good a chance of dying of alcohol poisoning.

[hhkim]

The question to ask for the weed haters out there is...

How many people have died as a result of an overdose from pot?

0.

How many people have died as a result of an overdose of alcohol?

1 mil+

[Kroy]

Originally Posted by hhkim

The question to ask for the weed haters out there is...

How many people have died as a result of an overdose from pot?

0.

How many people have died as a result of an overdose of alcohol?

1 mil+

That's cause OD on pot = passing out. You wake up no worse for ware.

[Citizen Z]

Originally Posted by Kroy

That's cause OD on pot = passing out. You wake up no worse for ware.

Well... heavy pot use just kills memory and decision making, at least it does to my friends who smoke it frequently. I'm not anti pot, I'm anti pot advocacy. :P

[Kroy]

Originally Posted by Citizen Z

Well... heavy pot use just kills memory and decision making, at least it does to my friends who smoke it frequently. I'm not anti pot, I'm anti pot advocacy. :P

I hear ya, but isn't that the same as being anti-pot? If you're not advocating it, you're against it. You don't seem to be neutral by the tone of your previous posts. I don't twist anyone's arm TO smoke pot, but I believe it's a lot better to smoke than to drink alcohol(not talking about social drinking). Just my personal take on it. I think pot is one of the most mild drugs + it's not physically addicting.

I do agree about the memory loss though. But only when someone is medicated is their memory shoddy.

[mpimping]

Op when you pass the test buy me a dub. Lol

[silvergray545]

Give me some cash and I'll piss in a bag for you.