[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Not true. with +400whp you can trap whatever since a million factors can influence it. There are not many "a lot faster than 115mph traps" recorded.

See for example:


Show as your own trap, please.

Ok, so you are telling me that a guy like Mr. 5, that can drive, shouldn't put down better than 115 mph trap on 435 rwhp? Come on.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Mr.5, it seems kind of confusing that you ran a full race map and still only trapped 115. With 400 rwhp on your 91 octane map, one would expect a lot faster car on the race gas map. GIAC was showing 435 rwhp on this map yet that is not a 435 rwhp trap or even close to one.

Yah, I was thinking about that too, but I don't think I was getting 435 whp that day. The 435 whp that was made was with meth and I really believe that the meth is the key to the higher traps and gobs of whp.
I think I was close to about 415 whp that day and the best trap that i did was 116.3 ish.
Terry was thinking the same thing when i was there but we both said that it is what it is, and we were both impressed at the performance of the flash.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Yah, I was thinking about that too, but I don't think I was getting 435 whp that day. The 435 whp that was made was with meth and I really believe that the meth is the key to the higher traps and gobs of whp.
I think I was close to about 415 whp that day and the best trap that i did was 116.3 ish.
Terry was thinking the same thing when i was there but we both said that it is what it is, and we were both impressed at the performance of the flash.

You ran 100 octane though and that should be more than sufficient to break 115 mph. I hope you don't take this wrong, but I think that dyno is just reading ungodly high and not real world.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

You ran 100 octane though and that should be more than sufficient to break 115 mph. I hope you don't take this wrong, but I think that dyno is just reading ungodly high and not real world.

I don't think so but you have a right to your opinion.
I think that the only way to tell for sure is to go back with meth injection.
If I don't get traps of 118+ then you might be correct.
Remember also that I do have a manual.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

I don't think so but you have a right to your opinion.
I think that the only way to tell for sure is to go back with meth injection.
If I don't get traps of 118+ then you might be correct.
Remember also that I do have a manual.

I'm going to have to agree with Former on this one.

Your trap speeds are not showing anywhere close to 400whp. they are good trap speeds and good driving but not a 400whp trap.

hell Clem trapped over 116mph several times last year on just V2 and BMW DCI w/ 100 octane on 19" general street tires......or was that this year? he was not making 400whp i'm pretty darned sure. he was only boosting 15-16psi.


Your flash is working well and if your satisfied and its running smooth than that is what matters, but you've got some hidden HP yet to be unlocked or it simply isnt making it yet.

Hope you get the results your looking for on Meth........I just received my Aquamist HFS-6 kit yesterday....can't wait to install it!!!!!! time to source a tank.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Sniz

hell Clem trapped over 116mph several times last year on just V2 and BMW DCI w/ 100 octane on 19" general street tires......or was that this year? he was not making 400whp i'm pretty darned sure. he was only boosting 15-16psi.

What were the conditions?
What track?
Auto or manual?

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

What were the conditions?
What track?
Auto or manual?

MIR in Maryland, I can look back for exact conditions but I believe in the 50's and his car was a MT. He got rid of it for a beauty of a e39 M5. He upgraded in my eye

Not faulting your driving at all 5, you obviously can row the gears and launch well.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Sniz

MIR in Maryland, I can look back for exact conditions but I believe in the 50's and his car was a MT. He got rid of it for a beauty of a e39 M5. He upgraded in my eye

Not faulting your driving at all 5, you obviously can row the gears and launch well.

No worries, I just wanted to state that it does make a difference with the conditions and different tracks.
For example, I'm seriously thinking of going to Sacramento if I get the meth so I can go balls to the wall.
From what I hear, Sac is a good 2 mph faster than Famoso.

Thanks for the props BTW.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

No worries, I just wanted to state that it does make a difference with the conditions and different tracks.
For example, I'm seriously thinking of going to Sacramento if I get the meth so I can go balls to the wall.
From what I hear, Sac is a good 2 mph faster than Famoso.

Thanks for the props BTW.

Here you go, full thread w/ run details here. It was actually enjoyable reading all 3 pages of it......that was a fun day!

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=MIR

[jippii ensio]

You cannot compare the traps run at different tracks. Mr.5 ran in Famoso and there the traps are very different. For example this is with similar mods with Mr.5: From dragtimes.com: Jimmy Lambos at 46F degrees, FULLY catless, (unlike Mr.5), leaded gas c16, AA FMIC, kosei K1, dual cones, V3: 114.86MPH

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

You cannot compare the traps run at different tracks. Mr.5 ran in Famoso and there the traps are very different. For example this is with similar mods with Mr.5: From dragtimes.com: Jimmy Lambos at 46F degrees, FULLY catless, (unlike Mr.5), leaded gas c16, AA FMIC, kosei K1, dual cones, V3: 114.86MPH

I can agree with that.

Mr 5 maybe I missed it, but did u run the car on the previous stage I w pump gas at this same track?

[BadBoostedBMWM3]

Nice times... and good driving for the 60' times.

I was expecting a little bit more trap speed with your power level.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Sniz

I can agree with that.

Mr 5 maybe I missed it, but did u run the car on the previous stage I w pump gas at this same track?

No, I didn't go with the stage 1 because I thought I would wait for the stage that suited my car the best.

[Sniz]

in that case do you remember the trap speeds of the other n54's there and their mods?

just curious if they were trapping higher....an indication of more power.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Sniz

in that case do you remember the trap speeds of the other n54's there and their mods?

just curious if they were trapping higher....an indication of more power.

There were 4 others besides mine.
I think the closest one to compare to mine is the e92 335i.
I don't think he was running meth.

e92 335i
Hotrod182 335i
Terry's 135i
135i

[ar design]

FWIW, driving doesn't impact trap nearly as much as E.T.....

[DLSJ5]

I guess Mr.5 being the quickest E90 335I 6MT, isn't enough for some.

I can understand the questions on the trap speed, but there's certain factors that would have no doubt improved it. Mr.5 had full interior, the other N54's there didn't, rear and pass seats were removed in those cars, he's manual as well, that's at least 1 mph in trap speeds.

He wasn't running Meth, just 100 octane, with Meth and some additional timing he could have added another MPH, IMHO. So he trapped a high of 116, with the above changes he may have hit 118MPH traps and 11's as well.

At Sacramento all of that is doable, it's almost as fast as MIR.

Great seeing you Craig! You did great Bro, as did all the N54's, Terry's and Warren's cars once again did some amazing times.

I managed a 12.04 @ 115mph, I wasn't happy with my trap either, as I have trapped 119.5 on the Vbox in the same spot Warren does his testing as well. Vbox times at Famoso were 115-116 on the vbox for me, so the Vbox is damn accurate.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

I guess Mr.5 being the quickest E90 335I 6MT, isn't enough for some.

I can understand the questions on the trap speed, but there's certain factors that would have no doubt improved it. Mr.5 had full interior, the other N54's there didn't, rear and pass seats were removed in those cars, he's manual as well, that's at least 1 mph in trap speeds.

He wasn't running Meth, just 100 octane, with Meth and some additional timing he could have added another MPH, IMHO. So he trapped a high of 116, with the above changes he may have hit 118MPH traps and 11's as well.

At Sacramento all of that is doable, it's almost as fast as MIR.

Great seeing you Craig! You did great Bro, as did all the N54's, Terry's and Warren's cars once again did some amazing times.

I managed a 12.04 @ 115mph, I wasn't happy with my trap either, as I have trapped 119.5 on the Vbox in the same spot Warren does his testing as well. Vbox times at Famoso were 115-116 on the vbox for me, so the Vbox is damn accurate.

he did great! Just trying to get a grip on the lower trap than expected just after GIAC releases those huge whp dyno charts.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Sniz

he did great! Just trying to get a grip on the lower trap than expected just after GIAC releases those huge whp dyno charts.

I hear you, but don't you think the WR and 6MT vs. Auto and the Meth points add a little more clarity? Regardless I've seen plenty of 450+whp E46 M3's at the track that didn't do as well as Craig, even in the trap speed range.

I ran Craig's car twice at the the event, he beat me both times.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

I hear you, but don't you think the WR and 6MT vs. Auto and the Meth points add a little more clarity? Regardless I've seen plenty of 450+whp E46 M3's at the track that didn't do as well as Craig, even in the trap speed range.

I ran Craig's car twice at the the event, he beat me both times.

traction is the issue when you get high HP and run crappy...that wasnt his issue, if you really can say he had an issue. He ran his car probably about as good as it was going to go.

i'm just curious as to what the other trap speeds were to compare. Could be that the GIAC stage 2 tune did better than expected against the competition on the same day on the same track.


Based on your trap in your M3 it could just be a slow track causing his lower trap speeds.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Sniz

traction is the issue when you get high HP and run crappy...that wasnt his issue, if you really can say he had an issue. He ran his car probably about as good as it was going to go.

i'm just curious as to what the other trap speeds were to compare. Could be that the GIAC stage 2 tune did better than expected against the competition on the same day on the same track.


Based on your trap in your M3 it could just be a slow track causing his lower trap speeds.

I believe Warren trapped 118, TIP, no pass or rear seats, Meth and 100 octane race fuel. There was another 335I there, but he was having some issues, not sure what he trapped. The two 135I's were blazing fast. One had nitrous and hit 11.6 at 122 I believe, Terry trapped 122 as well!

For NA cars it wasn't as great, Famoso never is from what I've seen, but not too bad. I have trapped 118 - 119.5 on the Vbox, at the same location that Warren hit his 119.5 trap on the Vbox. He just posted some info on his runs today, but his 60-130 was very good 10.5 vs. my 10.8.

[mixxer]

Trap is probably down because ,the car most likely pulled timing on the big end,Which is why the meth cars are getting better traps nice and cool at the bigend and no timing being pulled.