[DigitalDawn]

I have a 2010 335 and it does not charge my iPhone 3GS.

[E90SAR]

This Y-cable is (consistently) charging my 3GS in my 2006 E90 ...

it was only $3.90

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

[Ron1n]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._ya_oh_product
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._ya_oh_product

Bought those, and waiting for the Belkin adapter to arrive to see if they work with 6fl.

[revlimit]

Originally Posted by E90SAR

This Y-cable is (consistently) charging my 3GS in my 2006 E90 ...

it was only $3.90

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Does the aux work? Are you able to control the music with iDrive?

[Kloogy]

Originally Posted by revlimit

Does the aux work? Are you able to control the music with iDrive?

I too need to know this

[E90SAR]

Originally Posted by Kloogy

I too need to know this

Here's the deal with the cable:
- I don't have iDrive or the built in USB port - only an aux in plug
- I use the aux in part of the y cable to play music through my stereo - that works. Because I don't have a built in usb port in the car, I can't control the iphone through the car.
- I use the usb connection for charging only - it's connected to an adapter in the cigarette lighter

So I can't tell you if you'll be able to control the iphone with your usb connection.

[revlimit]

Thanks for info.

[Ron1n]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._ya_oh_product
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._ya_oh_product

Bought those, and waiting for the Belkin adapter to arrive to see if they work with 6fl.

The Belkin adapter arrived yesterday, and I can verify that this combination does *not* work for charging the 3GS, contrary to a post elsewhere that said otherwise.

[jpsum]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

The Belkin adapter arrived yesterday, and I can verify that this combination does *not* work for charging the 3GS, contrary to a post elsewhere that said otherwise.

why didn't you buy the scosche one?

[Ron1n]

Because all the Scosche passPORT does is convert 12V to 5V. 2009-2010 model BMWs already do this (and, I did in fact buy one before this attempt and it didn't work - if anyone wants to buy it from me, let me know).

[jpsum]

Originally Posted by Ron1n

Because all the Scosche passPORT does is convert 12V to 5V. 2009-2010 model BMWs already do this (and, I did in fact buy one before this attempt and it didn't work - if anyone wants to buy it from me, let me know).

that's weird. it worked on my friends E-class and my Bose docking system. And I didn't know that it converts 12v to 5v, because it should already be at 5v. I thought all it does is it changes the pin layout around.

[Ron1n]

Originally Posted by jpsum

that's weird. it worked on my friends E-class and my Bose docking system. And I didn't know that it converts 12v to 5v, because it should already be at 5v. I thought all it does is it changes the pin layout around.

Your friend's E class and your Bose docking system aren't a BMW, though. One of the primary functions of the passPort is the conversion, not just the pin layout. If it were just the pin layout, it would be half the size, if not smaller. Wish I could find where it is that I read that, and that I'd read it before I bought it.

I also talked to a Parts guy today who specifically said, in their system, that the 440 812 6FL adapter *specifically* says in their system that it will not charge the 3GS. I'm going to hit them up to verify (as many of the techs said it wouldn't, either, but nobody apparently had first hand experience) this weekend.

[quality_sound]

Originally Posted by jpsum

that's weird. it worked on my friends E-class and my Bose docking system. And I didn't know that it converts 12v to 5v, because it should already be at 5v. I thought all it does is it changes the pin layout around.

It does only change the layout. There are separate pins for charging 12V vs 5V. It's not converting 12V to 5V.

[Ron1n]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

It does only change the layout. There are separate pins for charging 12V vs 5V. It's not converting 12V to 5V.

That's incorrect, mate. I need to figure out where I read what I read. =/ (unless what I read was wrong, at which point, ooops... :P)

[quality_sound]

What you read is wrong or you misread it.

What happened was the old firewire cables supplied 12V on one set of pins. From I believe the 2nd or 3rd gen you could use either the Firewire cable (12V) or the new USB cable, which was 5V and used a different set of pins. Apple supported both until the time the iPhone 3G debuted when they dropped Firewire support altogether. When they stopped the Firewire support they stopped installing the charging pins for 12V/Firewire. Here's where it got ugly, because a car is 12V already guess which set of pins was used by all the manufacturers. You got it, the 12V/Firewire pins. When Apple stopped installing those pins on the iPods/iPhones all the existing adapters and cables with 12V only pins stopped charging them. Manufaturers are now just catching on and having to redesign a lot of product to change the pin locations to the 5V pins. That's it. No adapters, especially the cable jive, do anything more than take pin locations and move them from the 12V location to the 5V locations.

So, yes, I might have an idea what I'm talking about.

[jpsum]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

What you read is wrong or you misread it.

What happened was the old firewire cables supplied 12V on one set of pins. From I believe the 2nd or 3rd gen you could use either the Firewire cable (12V) or the new USB cable, which was 5V and used a different set of pins. Apple supported both until the time the iPhone 3G debuted when they dropped Firewire support altogether. When they stopped the Firewire support they stopped installing the charging pins for 12V/Firewire. Here's where it got ugly, because a car is 12V already guess which set of pins was used by all the manufacturers. You got it, the 12V/Firewire pins. When Apple stopped installing those pins on the iPods/iPhones all the existing adapters and cables with 12V only pins stopped charging them. Manufaturers are now just catching on and having to redesign a lot of product to change the pin locations to the 5V pins. That's it. No adapters, especially the cable jive, do anything more than take pin locations and move them from the 12V location to the 5V locations.

So, yes, I might have an idea what I'm talking about.

if you are right, then I was right too!

[quality_sound]

[2kaccordocoupe]

Mine charges any ipod that I connect to it, including the iphone 3G and 3GS.

[mjkrooker]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

No adapters, especially the cable jive, do anything more than take pin locations and move them from the 12V location to the 5V locations.

So, yes, I might have an idea what I'm talking about.

For the record, this is incorrect. I helped in the design of the CableJive charge converter.

The CableJive charge converter has complex circuitry that not only steps down the 12V power to USB 5V, it also has a voltage regulator to make sure that it will never put out more than 5V, even if the accessory is pumping 13V, 14V or more on the firewire pin. The circuitry also has a USB controller so when attaching a USB-only iPhone or iPod to a firewire-only device the iPhone or iPod will get properly connected.

http://www.cablejive.com/products/Charge-Converter.html

Doesn't always guarantee the charge converter will work, some automobiles output 12V power at a low enough amperage that when converting to USB it gets the 5V right on the nose doesn't have 500 mA.

We've had a lot of BMW Y-cable customers have success with a car kit we put together that lets you infuse some extra power into the iPod or iPhone:

http://www.cablejive.com/products/Car-Charge-Kit.html

[quality_sound]

What is used to step the Voltage down and how do you deal with the heat dissipation in an adapter that small? I would think that if it really does step the voltage down and not just move the pins you'd want to metion that on your product page as it's very different than how almost every other maker does it. As it reads now all it says is that it "changed the FW charging to USB and passes everything else."

If CableJive has indeed managed to get a true inverter in a device that small then kudos to CableJive. Even Scosche's adapter is larger than yours.

[mjkrooker]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

What is used to step the Voltage down and how do you deal with the heat dissipation in an adapter that small? I would think that if it really does step the voltage down and not just move the pins you'd want to metion that on your product page as it's very different than how almost every other maker does it. As it reads now all it says is that it "changed the FW charging to USB and passes everything else."

If CableJive has indeed managed to get a true inverter in a device that small then kudos to CableJive. Even Scosche's adapter is larger than yours.

Noted, we can make that description better. We used to have a photo of the circuitry up for those curious to see how it was set up but marketing decided it was too technical.

[Ron1n]

FYI, just went to the dealership and tried out the part # labeled 440 812 (purportedly a new cable).

This cable still does not charge the 3GS, and there is a simple reason for this: while the part # on the packaging has changed, the part # on the cable itself has not. It is still 440 796.

Do not waste your time going to the dealership to try out this 'new' cable.