Questions for V4/JB3 2.0 on a daily driver

Wonka · 02-02-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JPSlick

Wow your're on a roll today

Is this part of your marketing plan? cause its not working.

Does his tone strike you as harsh? What is to be loved about an open forum is that representatives from the other products have the right to counter. If the positions are truths, 'half-truths' or false, well, the ball is in the other court ready for a volley. Is BMW soft on Audi when comparing product lines? Checkmate.

From what I have read here and deduced from opinions I have heard in person, for my desires, the balance of product effectiveness does stand on the side of the V4. Everyone has the right to decide and hopefully they make decisions that make sense for their own situations.

OP, if you have the opportunity, buy and drive both.

yandy · 02-02-2010, 05:21 PM

Yea, except we all know this forum is not exactly open and unbiased. So not everyone is allowed to counter

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Originally Posted by Wonka

Does his tone strike you as harsh? What is to be loved about an open forum is that representatives from the other products have the right to counter. If the positions are truths, 'half-truths' or false, well, the ball is in the other court ready for a volley. Is BMW soft on Audi when comparing product lines? Checkmate.

From what I have read here and deduced from opinions I have heard in person, for my desires, the balance of product effectiveness does stand on the side of the V4. Everyone has the right to decide and hopefully they make decisions that make sense for their own situations.

OP, if you have the opportunity, buy and drive both.

Bimmer This · 02-02-2010, 05:21 PM

Dackz, seems like your stuck in between the tunes now?? Do what I did buy both tunes and try them back to back on YOUR vehicle. Keep the one you want and return the other. Simple as that. Everytime someone ask's that question in these forums, it always turns out to be arguing match on who is better and why. I think we already had enough of that on these forums. Just my opinion.

jpsimon · 02-02-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by yandyr

Yea, except we all know this forum is not exactly open and unbiased. So not everyone is allowed to counter

No forum in the history of the internets is completely open and unbiased.

yandy · 02-02-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer This

Dackz, seems like your stuck in between the tunes now?? Do what I did buy both tunes and try them back to back on YOUR vehicle. Keep the one you want and return the other. Simple as that. Everytime someone ask's that question in these forums, it always turns out to be arguing match on who is better and why. I think we already had enough of that on these forums. Just my opinion.

+1

Wonka · 02-02-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yandyr

Yea, except we all know this forum is not exactly open and unbiased. So not everyone is allowed to counter

Threads such as these are fair game for all sides. I believe its those pesky technical threads started by either vendor that have more of the Cold War Eastern Bloc media vibe.

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

No forum in the history of the internets is completely open and unbiased.

In regards to "open", people have their avenues to express their thoughts. Yes there are restrictions but that comes along with some extra civility. Bias? Oh yes. I get bias at the deli counter and the seafood corner at Giant Food. Its everywhere.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-02-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yandyr

Yea, except we all know this forum is not exactly open and unbiased. So not everyone is allowed to counter

TRu story.

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

No forum in the history of the internets is completely open and unbiased.

Not true. There are plenty of forums, that dont even ALLOW vendors that provide unbiased opinions because of this.

IDK if you have been involved in any forums like that, but I have been part owner in one.

ukaussi · 02-02-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Don't mistake being factual for bashing. I know it's hard to distinguish the two at times when you don't have the knowledge or experience.

1) Sorry Shiv, but when you use the words and grammer that you use then it comes across as bashing (castrate ?!)

2) OP, as others have said order them seperately, run for week or so then stock for a few days and then the other for a week or so and decide.
I did this on my 2002 GTI, on my 2007 Mini Cooper and will probably do it on my 335i once I decide who is on the short list.

(sorry, v4 will not be on short list based on Shiv's posts here and on other forums I have followed for a few years)

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-02-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonka

Does his tone strike you as harsh? What is to be loved about an open forum is that representatives from the other products have the right to counter. If the positions are truths, 'half-truths' or false, well, the ball is in the other court ready for a volley. Is BMW soft on Audi when comparing product lines? Checkmate.

From what I have read here and deduced from opinions I have heard in person, for my desires, the balance of product effectiveness does stand on the side of the V4. Everyone has the right to decide and hopefully they make decisions that make sense for their own situations.

OP, if you have the opportunity, buy and drive both.

His tone? Harsh?

Are we talking about truth? Ive yet to see any conclusive data posted in this thread, as far as anyone is considered nothing has been PROVEN better or worse.

Maybe some track times will show differently elsewhere? or some dyno numbers perhaps?

Car can drive like the best you can imagine, doesnt set apart the fact that its NOT the fastest, NOR does the "tone" as you call it show a person who is mature. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they all stink.

Show up with some conclusive evidence to support something, otherwise someones opinions, judgements, and witty remarks are like the next guys.... pointless.

OpenFlash · 02-02-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

At some point hopefully there will be a technical discussion between you and BMS on the differences in boost control, between the JB3's fully integrated approach, and the V4/CPE stand alone approach.

Regardless I would strongly suggest the OP try both systems and pick the one he feels offers the best performance, drivability, value, etc. It is as simple as that.

Mike

Most of us assume that any discussion between you and me *is* one between BMW and me. Now you suggest that is not the case

seriously though, maybe you can channel Terry and elaborate on what is CPE's approach shares in common with ours. And it's potential shortcomings. I tried engaging you in a similar discussion last week but was unsucessful. I look forward to your reply.

Shiv

alpinedevil335 · 02-02-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JPSlick

His tone? Harsh?

Are we talking about truth? Ive yet to see any conclusive data posted in this thread, as far as anyone is considered nothing has been PROVEN better or worse.

Maybe some track times will show differently elsewhere? or some dyno numbers perhaps?

Car can drive like the best you can imagine, doesnt set apart the fact that its NOT the fastest, NOR does the "tone" as you call it show a person who is mature. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they all stink.

Show up with some conclusive evidence to support something, otherwise someones opinions, judgements, and witty remarks are like the next guys.... pointless.

OpenFlash · 02-02-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dackz

When you do you expect these active Shiv?

Thanks for all the replies. I appreciate the feedback, keep it on coming and maybe post up a few videos of DD style use with 20% throttle in 3rd gear, 40%ish in 5th gear, going from 20-100% in 3rd gear at say 3k rpms, things of the like. That would help too.

Mike, when will JB3 2.0 be out of beta or sold with beta and when will the adjustables be rolled out?

Hi Dackz,
Upshift softening adjustable is functional right now and is being testes internally at this time. It as well as the Throttle respose adjustable will be released later this week. It should be noted that the throttle response adjustable will only slow down boost response and is probably only going to be use for those with binary (on/off) throttle pedal control. We are not changing the relationship between throttle and boost target since this is hard coded into v4 boost logic. And rightfully so.

Shiv

NiVeDh · 02-02-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JPSlick

His tone? Harsh?

Are we talking about truth? Ive yet to see any conclusive data posted in this thread, as far as anyone is considered nothing has been PROVEN better or worse.

Maybe some track times will show differently elsewhere? or some dyno numbers perhaps?

Car can drive like the best you can imagine, doesnt set apart the fact that its NOT the fastest, NOR does the "tone" as you call it show a person who is mature. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they all stink.

Show up with some conclusive evidence to support something, otherwise someones opinions, judgements, and witty remarks are like the next guys.... pointless.

Agreed.

Belarus · 02-02-2010, 05:57 PM

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jaza45 · 02-02-2010, 06:15 PM

I've tried both v4 and 2.0 and both are very smooth, but I'm a driver and I like the feel of what a BMW should be, that's why I choose 2.0, I'm an aggressive driver and I like an aggressive smooth tune...and I drive it everyday about 100 miles commute...

I almost forgot to mention the excellent customer service from BMS, there is no match...NONE out there, just piss poor childish marketing...

mwahlert · 02-02-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JPSlick

TRu story.

Not true. There are plenty of forums, that dont even ALLOW vendors that provide unbiased opinions because of this.

IDK if you have been involved in any forums like that, but I have been part owner in one.

if you can't sift through the $hit and find the gold it is your own problem.

i could care less what the vendors have to say - it is up to me to decide what is bias, what is truth, and what is garbage...

Dackz · 02-02-2010, 07:49 PM

Holy shit, I think I opened up a mine field.

I will just try both on my car and go from there, and FWIW when I do end up doing this (March sometime) I WILL give an UNBIASED and HONEST review of both. This will also be done on a bone stock car as well. DP's, intercooler and the like will be far down the road.

I really wish that an indepedent review such as autoblog or autoweek or something could do it, an do it unbiased. Oh well, I will do my best but it will be a few more weeks out (still waiting on W2's in the mail)

shoes · 02-02-2010, 08:04 PM

I started reading through this thread but gave up. If no one actually answered your question, then I hope my input will help.
Skipping over the "usual" stuff...

Dackz, in regards to your actual question about the tune on a DD, I have only driven with the JB3 tune and under daily driving circumstances the car behaves very civilly. It's very behaved if you drive it like a grandma, but with improved throttle response over stock.
But when you drive aggressively, that's when the monster comes out and the tune really shines.

With that said, if your finances allow you to purchase both tunes and trial them, then by all means do so and choose the one you feel suits you best.
I hope that helps answer your question, unlike a lot of the other responses.

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 02-02-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ******

I've tried both v4 and 2.0 and both are very smooth, but I'm a driver and I like the feel of what a BMW should be, that's why I choose 2.0, I'm an aggressive driver and I like an aggressive smooth tune...and I drive it everyday about 100 miles commute...

I almost forgot to mention the excellent customer service from BMS, there is no match...NONE out there, just piss poor childish marketing...

Truth

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Originally Posted by mwahlert

if you can't sift through the $hit and find the gold it is your own problem.

i could care less what the vendors have to say - it is up to me to decide what is bias, what is truth, and what is garbage...

Oh I've already sifted through the garbage a long time ago.

TunedM2C · 02-02-2010, 09:01 PM

I was about to post my own opinion but Shoes already summed it up for me. Try 'em both and decide for yourself. I did and ended up with a JB3.

OpenFlash · 02-02-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuned1

I was about to post my own opinion but Shoes already summed it up for me. Try 'em both and decide for yourself. I did and ended up with a JB3.

By "trying them both", are you saying that you purchase them both and returned the Procede?

Shiv

TunedM2C · 02-02-2010, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

By "trying them both", are you saying that you purchase them both and returned the Procede?

Shiv

Bought a used V3 and sold it. I should clarify I'm comparing JB3 1.4 to V3.

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Dackz Hates Speed Limits 119 Rep 2,589 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern CO iTrader: (4)	Holy shit, I think I opened up a mine field. I will just try both on my car and go from there, and FWIW when I do end up doing this (March sometime) I WILL give an UNBIASED and HONEST review of both. This will also be done on a bone stock car as well. DP's, intercooler and the like will be far down the road. I really wish that an indepedent review such as autoblog or autoweek or something could do it, an do it unbiased. Oh well, I will do my best but it will be a few more weeks out (still waiting on W2's in the mail)
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shoes Captain 25 Rep 635 Posts Drives: 07 BSM E92 335i Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Huntington Beach, CA iTrader: (1)	I started reading through this thread but gave up. If no one actually answered your question, then I hope my input will help. Skipping over the "usual" stuff... Dackz, in regards to your actual question about the tune on a DD, I have only driven with the JB3 tune and under daily driving circumstances the car behaves very civilly. It's very behaved if you drive it like a grandma, but with improved throttle response over stock. But when you drive aggressively, that's when the monster comes out and the tune really shines. With that said, if your finances allow you to purchase both tunes and trial them, then by all means do so and choose the one you feel suits you best. I hope that helps answer your question, unlike a lot of the other responses. __________________ Last edited by shoes; 02-02-2010 at 09:08 PM..
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TunedM2C Brigadier General 845 Rep 4,190 Posts Drives: 2016 LBB M2 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Earth iTrader: (2)	I was about to post my own opinion but Shoes already summed it up for me. Try 'em both and decide for yourself. I did and ended up with a JB3.
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