[DASHOCKER]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

You guys are hilarious.

Just curious? What does BMW have...or has ever had...that even gets in the same ballpark as the LF-A???

BMW has been there & done that with a so called supercar (M1).. Unlike Lexus, BMW does not need a rationed $375k car to prop up its image. All one has to do is take a look in the showroom of both makes to see what the choices are when it comes to sport & luxury. I can tell you the choices in the Lexus showroom are very limited. How many obtainable enthusiast machines can one choose from in the Lexus showroom today?

[majin ssj eric]

Originally Posted by blue2fire

The whole point of a hypercar is that it should make us common folk excited about the car and kill to drive it or something like that. No one is enthusiastic about this thing at all and that is a failure regardless of how not many will get to drive it.

Hmm, no one is at all enthusiastic about this car? Then how come every car forum has at least a half a dozen threads about it????

Look, I agree the car is polarizing. But just because you don't like the thing doesn't mean that nobody is enthusiastic about it. Gimme a break...

[blue2fire]

Originally Posted by majin ssj eric

Hmm, no one is at all enthusiastic about this car? Then how come every car forum has at least a half a dozen threads about it????

Look, I agree the car is polarizing. But just because you don't like the thing doesn't mean that nobody is enthusiastic about it. Gimme a break...

If you consider the things people have said in this thread and others on such (non Lexus) forums to be proof of enthusiasm for the LF-A, i strongly believe you are wrong. People are laughing at Lexus, not with them.

I adore the NSX and hugely respect the GT-R because they outperformed the competition for less and bought something new to the party while they were at it. Show me one way in which this will "improve the breed"?

BTW, very clever to skip most of my response.

[majin ssj eric]

Originally Posted by blue2fire

If you consider the things people have said in this thread and others on such (non Lexus) forums to be proof of enthusiasm for the LF-A, i strongly believe you are wrong. People are laughing at Lexus, not with them.

Again, you only see the posts that agree with you. Check out posts 1, 4, 6, 8, 11, and 16 in this very thread. I could list plenty of other threads here and on many other forums (not Lexus) that prove there is indeed enthusiasm for this car.

It may be overpriced and it may not perform as well as some competitors, but its just ignorant to say that nobody likes it....

[System Overload]

Numbers are weak for a car of that level.

[lyjw88]

super fast Lexus = faster way of getting killed. lol

[ragingclue]

Wouldn't the ultimate determination of if it was indeed "overpriced" be whether or not they could pull asking price for every intended production unit? I bet they'll do just fine.

That being said, I hoped for better performance numbers as well. Seems like a lot of money for that particular car, but they're selling the image and status more than the performance itself. Hell, who knows how many sales they'll make just because they're playing up the "application" process to even be able to buy one.... The whole thing is about exclusivity. Not everyone who shells out money for these types of cars compares 0-100-0 and skidpad numbers.

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by DASHOCKER

BMW has been there & done that with a so called supercar (M1).. Unlike Lexus, BMW does not need a rationed $375k car to prop up its image. All one has to do is take a look in the showroom of both makes to see what the choices are when it comes to sport & luxury. I can tell you the choices in the Lexus showroom are very limited. How many obtainable enthusiast machines can one choose from in the Lexus showroom today?

The M1 was designed by Lamborghini not BMW. BMW only took over the project due to Lamborghini's financial difficulties. So the answer is still.....NO...BMW has never made a supercar.

You can argue that BMW's are more sporty than Lexus' all day long....no argument here. But at the end of the day...who sells more cars (NA Market)?

If Lexus continues to expand their brand to include performance vehicles, their sales lead will only continue to increase.

[DBFIU]

Originally Posted by System Overload

Numbers are weak for a car of that level.

This.

Originally Posted by shift@red

numbers arent great when you take into account the other cars out ther. that car is still far behind a lot of cars as far as performance and looks go.

And this.



And...


It goes on.

for 375 smackers, the car is NULL; that is the POINT we are trying to make.

For all those defending the LFA, if you had 375 laying around. Tell me you wouldnt get a Ferrari F430 spyder instead of this? And have CASH LEFT OVER.

F-ckin Liars all of you.



/thread

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

The M1 was designed by Lamborghini not BMW. BMW only took over the project due to Lamborghini's financial difficulties. So the answer is still.....NO...BMW has never made a supercar.

Your information is incorrect. BMW and Giugiaro designed the M1 and had an agreement with Lamborghini to produce the cars, yet because of Lamborghini's financial position, production was changed at the last minute to Baur, in Germany.

It could be argued that Toyota has already done an exotic with the 200GT, so Lexus trying to position this as a first seems a little weak, just like the car.

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Your information is incorrect. BMW and Giugiaro designed the M1 and had an agreement with Lamborghini to produce the cars, yet because of Lamborghini's financial position, production was changed at the last minute to Baur, in Germany.

It could be argued that Toyota has already done an exotic with the 200GT, so Lexus trying to position this as a first seems a little weak, just like the car.

Originally, BMW commissioned Lamborghini to work out the details of the car's chassis, assemble prototypes and manufacture the vehicles, but Lamborghini's financial position meant that BMW reassumed control over the project in April 1978, after seven prototypes were built.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

What part of what you quoted leads you to believe that BMW didn't design and develop the M1? Most public sources hint at a small amount of help related to the mid-engine chassis from Lamborghini, but BMW was still the primary designer of the car, it wasn't something outsourced to Lamborghini, yet there was collaboration. Think of it more like the MB 500E that Porsche helped develop, but certainly credit for the overall car goes to MB.

I will cede that the seven prototypes did appear and function somewhat differently than the Baur assembled cars, so clearly BMW changed some of the Lamborghini design, but we're still talking collaboration, not full development.

Finally, I'm not a fan of the M1, at least in the sense that I think an E82 M car should not be named M1. If you see something that shows that Lamborghini was more involved than what I see online, I'd be more than happy to accept it. I've got no horse in this race.

[jeremyc74]

Lexus dicked around with this car for so long they let other supercars advance significantly while they were still on the drawing board, and they never really caught up. This was supposed to be a performance showcase, and for the price, the numbers are lackluster.

What's the point of all this technology in a supercar if it doesn't make it faster?

[blue2fire]

Originally Posted by majin ssj eric

Again, you only see the posts that agree with you. Check out posts 1, 4, 6, 8, 11, and 16 in this very thread. I could list plenty of other threads here and on many other forums (not Lexus) that prove there is indeed enthusiasm for this car.

It may be overpriced and it may not perform as well as some competitors, but its just ignorant to say that nobody likes it....

Okay, i give up. Best car in the world.


Bye.

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

What part of what you quoted leads you to believe that BMW didn't design and develop the M1? Most public sources hint at a small amount of help related to the mid-engine chassis from Lamborghini, but BMW was still the primary designer of the car, it wasn't something outsourced to Lamborghini, yet there was collaboration. Think of it more like the MB 500E that Porsche helped develop, but certainly credit for the overall car goes to MB.

I will cede that the seven prototypes did appear and function somewhat differently than the Baur assembled cars, so clearly BMW changed some of the Lamborghini design, but we're still talking collaboration, not full development.

Finally, I'm not a fan of the M1, at least in the sense that I think an E82 M car should not be named M1. If you see something that shows that Lamborghini was more involved than what I see online, I'd be more than happy to accept it. I've got no horse in this race.

http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1824952

BMW had retained the Italian exotic sports car company to design the M1.

[majin ssj eric]

Originally Posted by blue2fire

Okay, i give up. Best car in the world.


Bye.

Cetainly not the best car in the world. If I was spending my money I'd get an R8 V10 and call it a day. I'm just saying that there is enthusiasm out there for the car. Thats all....

[BillLee]

i really don't car about the performance of this car, remember its a lexus. if i had the money i would buy it because of its exclusivity and it looks/sounds badass.

[adrian1480]

out of my range, but I will own an Aston Martin in the next 10 years.

[Gotadime]

That's such a sweet looking car.

[graider]

actually i would get the LFA. don't want to get stranded on my date.

Originally Posted by DBFIU

This.




And this.



And...


It goes on.

for 375 smackers, the car is NULL; that is the POINT we are trying to make.

For all those defending the LFA, if you had 375 laying around. Tell me you wouldnt get a Ferrari F430 spyder instead of this? And have CASH LEFT OVER.

F-ckin Liars all of you.



/thread

[ska///235i]

Yea is a supercar but I dont see the point of this from Lexus...are they expecting the soccer mom audience??

[Razzy]

sad part about all this is, Lexus claims their losing money on each sold.