Supercharging N46 B20 320i

Futie · 05-28-2010, 05:31 AM

The SC is a bit loud when it is not operating after the throttle - this means in vacuum condition where the sound is suppressed . I will try to buy and implement as many original parts from the Mercedes installation as possible.
This is an electric clutch version and during idle and cruise is off - I will control it via vacuum solenoid and use it in power on demand mode as designed, when the SC is off I will be saving fuel and be as naturally aspirated.
On paper this helps the SC last a lot longer dew to minimal usage compared to the usual always ON SCs and practice showed that this was a clever design - google shows that problems with the clutch is a rare occasion.

Futie · 06-08-2010, 08:56 PM

I have recently updated my stock with two(2) new items:
1.
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/Red-D...t-Gauge-1.aspx
A boost digital gauge. It costs only 66$, may be a garbage but still digital, electronic and brand NEW with Warranty - so I will not need any pressure pipe inside the cabin.
2.
I have also bought an INTERCOOLER form the very SLK230 Kompressor. Brand New from ebay for just 43Euro - great deal!

See you soon

zeenon53 · 06-08-2010, 09:37 PM

Is this fairly easy to bolt onto your car? I wonder if you could upgrade the blower to the mp62, I had one of those on a 2.7l motor and it was amazing @ 10psi. Get ready to hear that blower scream. Those s/c really like nitrous as well, ever consider a 35 shot? Do you know the limits of the motor? Good luck!

btw-those blowers could go for over 100K miles before a rebuild. They are sealed units and the oil in them get's changed at 80K I believe. Send it off to these guys to port out the opening and clean up all the lobes for smoother flow. http://www.stiegemeier.com/home.html

dzenno · 06-08-2010, 10:30 PM

Very cool project, don't worry about negatives on this forum

Futie · 06-09-2010, 05:28 AM

I will NOT need any SC porting or upgrade because I am aiming at 5-6psi and nitrous is really far away from the every day reliable and functional setup that I am looking for. Additionally I will be keeping the costs as low as possible - this is a HIGH priority objective.
Thank you for the support here. I will try to manage this setup but a lot of questions and unknowns are arising so nothing is certain. It will be a wild run down this road and I hope step by step to make odds even.
Next in the list:
1. Innovate LC-1
2. Intake and exhaust pipes for the SC
3. SC mounting plate
For 2 and 3 I will try with the original from the SLK230 Kompressor installation and of course modify them for my space and fasten points.
LATER

issabmw · 07-02-2010, 04:21 PM

Update this man

issabmw · 07-02-2010, 04:22 PM

If you still need help let me know, I will have some time later on to get this thing figured out.

Futie · 08-16-2010, 02:25 AM

Yesterday I received all the parts from the USA and I still read all over the Internet for everything concerning my project.
Now I am on Water/Methanol injection setup tricks.
I hope soon to update more
P.S. the project is definitely NOT dead!!!

richardgo320 · 08-18-2010, 06:32 AM

nice!!! i have an e90 320 too! keep on updating!

Futie · 08-23-2010, 11:03 AM

Since February I have had serious software problems with my car. It was a total mess

Now I am almost ready with this procedure and soon I will start the technical part of the supercharger project...until then I will be crossing my fingers

edy74 · 08-24-2010, 06:06 AM

^ I will keep my fingers crossed for you 2

Futie · 10-18-2010, 07:03 PM

Still in the preparatory process but today a new member joined...
Just sharing pictures:

RED DIGITAL INNOVATE...

MarkD · 10-18-2010, 08:23 PM

You are a long way of from needing to monitor AFR's, and also you should have bought an LM-2 so you can log various parameters from the OBD-2 port. If you plan to tune that ECU, you need to at least log rpm (plus AFR) and preferably TPS, load, and a few others also. The LM-2 makes that easy to do.

Futie · 11-10-2010, 07:37 PM

I will put the most power giving UPsolute chip they offer and from there I will just tune up reading the AFR and of course OBD2 values via Bluetooth ELM27 - Water - Methanol system will help me via cooling and additional juice. The one is sophisticated with its own boost progressive controller.
I will stay on the ground so it won't be a monstrous as MUCH as I can get setup. As I mentioned before, the goal is a fully reversible(within 2-3HOURS) setup which gives 30-50 additional hp and a massive increase in torque(low RPM) due to the supercharger FORCED induction effect compared to the NA AutoTranny conception. So I want balance and durability over acceleration and transformation.
Of course, I think the AFR meter I have bought will do the trick, It will be an aid for tunning and fail safe check all the way down.(or let's say UP

)
Tomorrow I will post pictures of the original Mercs intake and exhaust for the supercharger which I have just bought.
Till then SUCCESS!

Futie · 11-11-2010, 02:19 PM

Here are the pictures of the Intake and Exhaust of the SuperCharger. They are OEM and will be a perfect start. I could always cut a part of them and change some other angle but the mounting flange will be a tight and perfect OEM fit

Here you go:

klipseracer · 11-11-2010, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Futie

I will put the most power giving UPsolute chip they offer and from there I will just tune up reading the AFR and of course OBD2 values via Bluetooth ELM27 - Water - Methanol system will help me via cooling and additional juice. The one is sophisticated with its own boost progressive controller.
I will stay on the ground so it won't be a monstrous as MUCH as I can get setup. As I mentioned before, the goal is a fully reversible(within 2-3HOURS) setup which gives 30-50 additional hp and a massive increase in torque(low RPM) due to the supercharger FORCED induction effect compared to the NA AutoTranny conception. So I want balance and durability over acceleration and transformation.
Of course, I think the AFR meter I have bought will do the trick, It will be an aid for tunning and fail safe check all the way down.(or let's say UP

)
Tomorrow I will post pictures of the original Mercs intake and exhaust for the supercharger which I have just bought.
Till then SUCCESS!

Projects like these are always great. You will enjoy it so keep good records of it here. My project car turned out well and I'm very glad I kept my posts here. The only problem is I lost track of how much I spent because I purchased so many little sub 100 dollar items.

larryzhou · 12-01-2010, 02:46 AM

how's things going? cheer up ,buddy

CobraMarty · 12-01-2010, 06:20 PM

To go from 150 to 200 hp is a 33% increase so you will need about .33 of 18 = 6psi to get to 200 hp so you are in the ballpark. You will need a fuel enrichment device of a sort and not just water/methanol injection. You will need about 33% more fuel. You could run a 5th injector in the tubing. Do you have the HPFP and direct injection? you must if you have the vanos. That makes it more difficult. How about injecting propane thru a nitrous nozzle which will solve 2 problems- fuel enrichment, cooling effect. You could do away with the intercooler and water/meth injection.

DimSum · 12-01-2010, 06:39 PM

Nice project! Keep us posted!

guerilla twang · 12-04-2010, 01:09 AM

Subscribed. This might just be crazy enough to work.

jb's335 · 12-04-2010, 01:12 AM

Not to bash, I just think its funny that the OP's sn is 1 letter away from "futile"

lol...

Futie · 12-08-2010, 02:54 PM

I bought something new which is going to steer me a little bit in the right direction. Lately I have been reading a lot and also listened to the words of some guys here and there. So today I bought a gorgeous - a little old but never used- ERL Aquamist MF2 - Fuel / Water Injector Controller.
With it I will be able to control a 3D standalone fuel map based on MAP sensor.
So I will be going in something like the picture showing the 4 injectors.(the Photo is downloaded from the ArmaSpeed)
Also wanted to share the MF2 connection scheme.
If somebody is interested in the injection controller, here is the link to Aquamist:
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/sl/plist/p...7/806-627.html
So far so good.....Later

05-28-2010, 05:31 AM	#23
Futie Private 16 Rep 73 Posts Drives: E90 320i 4cyl 16v 150hp Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria/Vienna iTrader: (0)	The SC is a bit loud when it is not operating after the throttle - this means in vacuum condition where the sound is suppressed . I will try to buy and implement as many original parts from the Mercedes installation as possible. This is an electric clutch version and during idle and cruise is off - I will control it via vacuum solenoid and use it in power on demand mode as designed, when the SC is off I will be saving fuel and be as naturally aspirated. On paper this helps the SC last a lot longer dew to minimal usage compared to the usual always ON SCs and practice showed that this was a clever design - google shows that problems with the clutch is a rare occasion. __________________ They called him only Tsonchev Last edited by Futie; 05-28-2010 at 06:20 AM..
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06-08-2010, 08:56 PM	#24
Futie Private 16 Rep 73 Posts Drives: E90 320i 4cyl 16v 150hp Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria/Vienna iTrader: (0)	I have recently updated my stock with two(2) new items: 1. http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/Red-D...t-Gauge-1.aspx A boost digital gauge. It costs only 66$, may be a garbage but still digital, electronic and brand NEW with Warranty - so I will not need any pressure pipe inside the cabin. 2. I have also bought an INTERCOOLER form the very SLK230 Kompressor. Brand New from ebay for just 43Euro - great deal! See you soon Attached Images __________________ They called him only Tsonchev
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06-08-2010, 09:37 PM	#25
zeenon53 Major 46 Rep 1,155 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: obx iTrader: (3)	Is this fairly easy to bolt onto your car? I wonder if you could upgrade the blower to the mp62, I had one of those on a 2.7l motor and it was amazing @ 10psi. Get ready to hear that blower scream. Those s/c really like nitrous as well, ever consider a 35 shot? Do you know the limits of the motor? Good luck! btw-those blowers could go for over 100K miles before a rebuild. They are sealed units and the oil in them get's changed at 80K I believe. Send it off to these guys to port out the opening and clean up all the lobes for smoother flow. http://www.stiegemeier.com/home.html
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06-08-2010, 10:30 PM	#26
dzenno Banned 298 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	Very cool project, don't worry about negatives on this forum
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06-09-2010, 05:28 AM	#27
Futie Private 16 Rep 73 Posts Drives: E90 320i 4cyl 16v 150hp Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria/Vienna iTrader: (0)	I will NOT need any SC porting or upgrade because I am aiming at 5-6psi and nitrous is really far away from the every day reliable and functional setup that I am looking for. Additionally I will be keeping the costs as low as possible - this is a HIGH priority objective. Thank you for the support here. I will try to manage this setup but a lot of questions and unknowns are arising so nothing is certain. It will be a wild run down this road and I hope step by step to make odds even. Next in the list: 1. Innovate LC-1 2. Intake and exhaust pipes for the SC 3. SC mounting plate For 2 and 3 I will try with the original from the SLK230 Kompressor installation and of course modify them for my space and fasten points. LATER __________________ They called him only Tsonchev
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08-16-2010, 02:25 AM	#30
Futie Private 16 Rep 73 Posts Drives: E90 320i 4cyl 16v 150hp Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria/Vienna iTrader: (0)	Yesterday I received all the parts from the USA and I still read all over the Internet for everything concerning my project. Now I am on Water/Methanol injection setup tricks. I hope soon to update more P.S. the project is definitely NOT dead!!! __________________ They called him only Tsonchev
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08-18-2010, 06:32 AM	#31
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08-23-2010, 11:03 AM	#32
Futie Private 16 Rep 73 Posts Drives: E90 320i 4cyl 16v 150hp Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria/Vienna iTrader: (0)	Since February I have had serious software problems with my car. It was a total mess Now I am almost ready with this procedure and soon I will start the technical part of the supercharger project...until then I will be crossing my fingers __________________ They called him only Tsonchev
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08-24-2010, 06:06 AM	#33
edy74 Captain 139 Rep 767 Posts Drives: CUSTO///M E90 , 640d xdrive Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bucharest iTrader: (2) Garage List 2006 318i [9.00]	^ I will keep my fingers crossed for you 2 __________________
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10-18-2010, 07:03 PM	#34
Futie Private 16 Rep 73 Posts Drives: E90 320i 4cyl 16v 150hp Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria/Vienna iTrader: (0)	Still in the preparatory process but today a new member joined... Just sharing pictures: RED DIGITAL INNOVATE... Attached Images __________________ They called him only Tsonchev
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10-18-2010, 08:23 PM	#35
MarkD Second Lieutenant 16 Rep 245 Posts Drives: 74 tii, 93 M5 x2, 07 328i Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto, in your DME! iTrader: (0)	You are a long way of from needing to monitor AFR's, and also you should have bought an LM-2 so you can log various parameters from the OBD-2 port. If you plan to tune that ECU, you need to at least log rpm (plus AFR) and preferably TPS, load, and a few others also. The LM-2 makes that easy to do.
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11-10-2010, 07:37 PM	#36
Futie Private 16 Rep 73 Posts Drives: E90 320i 4cyl 16v 150hp Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria/Vienna iTrader: (0)	I will put the most power giving UPsolute chip they offer and from there I will just tune up reading the AFR and of course OBD2 values via Bluetooth ELM27 - Water - Methanol system will help me via cooling and additional juice. The one is sophisticated with its own boost progressive controller. I will stay on the ground so it won't be a monstrous as MUCH as I can get setup. As I mentioned before, the goal is a fully reversible(within 2-3HOURS) setup which gives 30-50 additional hp and a massive increase in torque(low RPM) due to the supercharger FORCED induction effect compared to the NA AutoTranny conception. So I want balance and durability over acceleration and transformation. Of course, I think the AFR meter I have bought will do the trick, It will be an aid for tunning and fail safe check all the way down.(or let's say UP ) Tomorrow I will post pictures of the original Mercs intake and exhaust for the supercharger which I have just bought. Till then SUCCESS! __________________ They called him only Tsonchev
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11-11-2010, 02:19 PM	#37
Futie Private 16 Rep 73 Posts Drives: E90 320i 4cyl 16v 150hp Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria/Vienna iTrader: (0)	Here are the pictures of the Intake and Exhaust of the SuperCharger. They are OEM and will be a perfect start. I could always cut a part of them and change some other angle but the mounting flange will be a tight and perfect OEM fit Here you go: Attached Images __________________ They called him only Tsonchev
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12-01-2010, 02:46 AM	#39
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12-01-2010, 06:20 PM	#40
CobraMarty Major 633 Rep 1,402 Posts Drives: 2007 328xi e90 + e92 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: BimmerMILVs.com iTrader: (7)	To go from 150 to 200 hp is a 33% increase so you will need about .33 of 18 = 6psi to get to 200 hp so you are in the ballpark. You will need a fuel enrichment device of a sort and not just water/methanol injection. You will need about 33% more fuel. You could run a 5th injector in the tubing. Do you have the HPFP and direct injection? you must if you have the vanos. That makes it more difficult. How about injecting propane thru a nitrous nozzle which will solve 2 problems- fuel enrichment, cooling effect. You could do away with the intercooler and water/meth injection.
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12-01-2010, 06:39 PM	#41
DimSum Banned 230 Rep 2,740 Posts Drives: SLOW Join Date: May 2008 Location: LITTLEBIMMER.COM iTrader: (10)	Nice project! Keep us posted!
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12-04-2010, 01:09 AM	#42
guerilla twang I do my crosswords in pen. 17 Rep 751 Posts Drives: OEM+ 330i Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: KCMO iTrader: (6)	Subscribed. This might just be crazy enough to work. __________________ GRUPPE TITAN Midwest
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12-04-2010, 01:12 AM	#43
jb's335 Big Boost Addict 62 Rep 689 Posts Drives: AW e92 335 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Lima, OH iTrader: (12)	Not to bash, I just think its funny that the OP's sn is 1 letter away from "futile" lol... __________________ FFTEC 62mm...yeah I think that about does it.
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12-08-2010, 02:54 PM	#44
Futie Private 16 Rep 73 Posts Drives: E90 320i 4cyl 16v 150hp Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austria/Vienna iTrader: (0)	I bought something new which is going to steer me a little bit in the right direction. Lately I have been reading a lot and also listened to the words of some guys here and there. So today I bought a gorgeous - a little old but never used- ERL Aquamist MF2 - Fuel / Water Injector Controller. With it I will be able to control a 3D standalone fuel map based on MAP sensor. So I will be going in something like the picture showing the 4 injectors.(the Photo is downloaded from the ArmaSpeed) Also wanted to share the MF2 connection scheme. If somebody is interested in the injection controller, here is the link to Aquamist: http://www.aquamist.co.uk/sl/plist/p...7/806-627.html So far so good.....Later Attached Images __________________ They called him only Tsonchev
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