[jerrygarcia]

someones jealous...

[ward]

OP is right, maybe he could have worded it better

but most folks will try to return the car to stock before bringing warranty claims in, which is dishonest... plain and simple.

[bronco]

hmmm...the guy has a point...it would be nice to get some sort of warranty...
I know that the 335i is fast enough until I get out of the warranty period I will not do anything to it

[Panoz]

Originally Posted by kevkaz

... worst ... post... ever... !!!

Kevkaz...I find your specific post totaly unnecessary and rather childish. This guy's post has a point despite the fact we agree or dissagree with him/her.

The reliability matter on the "mod-ing industry" was and always be an issue. Deppendless of the technician's professionality (because there are not only the good ones but the bad ones as well) a "moded" car is always a "modded" car.

I mean that its quicker ,stronger , more enjoyable but can NEVER EVER EVER be more reliable than a stock one (especialy now that we are talking about BMW).
I'd like to mod my car like crazy and maybe I will. It will give me more joy for sure (FAR more ..i could say) but I know it will never be as reliable as it was originaly. And of course this is a risk I do personaly take.

Whoever believes differently is either a fool or noob.

[CoralRedPlz]

Originally Posted by ///MML

I have been a lurker on these forums for a while and following the 335's potential capability. As you guys are aware turbo cars give lots of options to build on. I have been following Shiv's updates and it looks impressive, however, I don't know him or am familiar with his past car work.

Ok,where an I going with this.... I must admit I am very suprisied by the level of dishonesty people are willing to tolarate for the sake of money. Everyone knows BMW will void your warranty for doing modifications (which is their right) since you voluntarly buy the car and agree to the terms. I am amazed that nearly everyone doing Shiv's mod are willing to do whatever it takes to hide this from BMW if there is a problem with their car. The question is why?

Life is a zero sum game guys, somebody pays no matter what. In fact we all pay since BMW must recoupe all costs and turn a profit. So if your car blows up we all pay the cost one way or the other. So why do the rest of us need to pay for your mod? Well we shouldn't. I know what your thinking, prove the mod caused it? This is a flase arguement as you changed the probability of error with the mod. This makes it your responsibility to find out the true cause, not just BMW. I realize BMW is no angel when it come to proving fault. I drive a e46 M3 and when motors were blowing due to a oil problem they blamed the customer at first but eventually made it right.

Many of you have bought shiv's mod want to be anonymous for fear of BMW finding out. Well I hate to tell you all information is public and they can find out if they want to, so don't fool yourself. They can take you to court an if you continue to lie then you get into perjury and felony charges, sounds like fun uh? For those of you who lease, you must sign a statement when you turn the car in saying you didn't mod the car. So don't think your getting away with something " not my car, it's leased".

I guess my last point is that if Shiv truely believed in his product he would warranty it like all upstanding manufactures. Nowhere have I read that he provides a warranty for probelms that his product creates. I heard alot about great customer sevice but if it blows will he pay the $10k for a new motor? I doubt it.... This is not to say Shiv is not a good person I'm just pointing out a common cause and effect fact.

Finally, I hope this didn't come across "holyier than thou" but just wanted point out some concerning attitudes amongst people who probably would be considered upstanding. If you owned a car business how your you feel if somebody was trying to trick you, probably not to good. For all of you who are fortunate to drive a $50k car don't try to cheat the system. Karma is a b*tch.

Good luck gentlemen...

"Mrs. Wilson, you forgot to give us homework for this weekend!"

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by Panoz

This guy's post has a point despite the fact we agree or dissagree with him/her.

Is the basis of his post on solid logical ground, yes. Could he have done alot better job at wording it and still getting his point across, yes.

What he yelled for all to hear is that background noise we choose to ignore when we mod vehicles. No one wants to think about the "dishonesty" part, we want all of the pleasure with none of the remorse when things go wrong (i.e. "having your cake and eating it too").

Shiv and other established tuners put alot of time and effort into designing the best product possible so that the smallest amount of issues occur. Does anyone design the perfect no-fault product, of course not. Trying to pull them in a source of the problem because they don't provide the level of warranty we want is wrong. We as owners of cars choose to put those things on the car, no one forces it on us. If you are uncomfortable with a product or it has a shitty track record then don't use it. If you do then you deserve whatever happens.

[AHY]

Originally Posted by geoff2010

I bet this is the same guy who blew up his STI motor after boosting it to 19PSI with stock internals... and everyone on the forum ratted him out to Subaru. He is just angry now

HAHA...I remember that

Maybe the anonymous folks don’t want to be harassed with all sorts of questions.

[OpenFlash]

Actually knowing them, the last thing I would call Mr. X, Y and Z is "dishonest".

-shiv

[IDENTITY_MOTORSPORTS]

Originally Posted by ///MML

I have been a lurker on these forums for a while and following the 335's potential capability. As you guys are aware turbo cars give lots of options to build on. I have been following Shiv's updates and it looks impressive, however, I don't know him or am familiar with his past car work.

Ok,where an I going with this.... I must admit I am very suprisied by the level of dishonesty people are willing to tolarate for the sake of money. Everyone knows BMW will void your warranty for doing modifications (which is their right) since you voluntarly buy the car and agree to the terms. I am amazed that nearly everyone doing Shiv's mod are willing to do whatever it takes to hide this from BMW if there is a problem with their car. The question is why?

Life is a zero sum game guys, somebody pays no matter what. In fact we all pay since BMW must recoupe all costs and turn a profit. So if your car blows up we all pay the cost one way or the other. So why do the rest of us need to pay for your mod? Well we shouldn't. I know what your thinking, prove the mod caused it? This is a flase arguement as you changed the probability of error with the mod. This makes it your responsibility to find out the true cause, not just BMW. I realize BMW is no angel when it come to proving fault. I drive a e46 M3 and when motors were blowing due to a oil problem they blamed the customer at first but eventually made it right.

Many of you have bought shiv's mod want to be anonymous for fear of BMW finding out. Well I hate to tell you all information is public and they can find out if they want to, so don't fool yourself. They can take you to court an if you continue to lie then you get into perjury and felony charges, sounds like fun uh? For those of you who lease, you must sign a statement when you turn the car in saying you didn't mod the car. So don't think your getting away with something " not my car, it's leased".

I guess my last point is that if Shiv truely believed in his product he would warranty it like all upstanding manufactures. Nowhere have I read that he provides a warranty for probelms that his product creates. I heard alot about great customer sevice but if it blows will he pay the $10k for a new motor? I doubt it.... This is not to say Shiv is not a good person I'm just pointing out a common cause and effect fact.

Finally, I hope this didn't come across "holyier than thou" but just wanted point out some concerning attitudes amongst people who probably would be considered upstanding. If you owned a car business how your you feel if somebody was trying to trick you, probably not to good. For all of you who are fortunate to drive a $50k car don't try to cheat the system. Karma is a b*tch.

Good luck gentlemen...

This guy should mod his face with a paper bag.

[Vinobien]

Can you say " JEALOUS MF'er"?

You have an M3 or so you say. I hope I am the guy who pulls up next to you with my modded Xede machine.

Stupid arguments include ... that we all have to pay ... regarding engines that blow up under warranty. Cmon - that will affect the cost of my car how much - like nothing. I already bought it. It will affect the price of my next BMW by how much - like nothing, since BMW has a budget for their warranty program. The number of modded cars multiplied by the probability of an engine failure gives you an extremely low cost compared to BMW's warranty budget.

Loose rationale only comes from a JEALOUS person who should stick to the M3 post. Your comments are comparable to me going on the M3 Post saying that the M3s can wipe my ass since thats all theyll be seeing.

Do you drive a BMW or a minivan with a 5 Star Crash Rating.

[Vinobien]

Also lives in San Francisco

[kevkaz]

Originally Posted by matsarge

Is the basis of his post on solid logical ground, yes. Could he have done alot better job at wording it and still getting his point across, yes.

+1

[hemi to e90]

look this questions was bound to come up, but the direction and method of delivery stinks. Im like him, a lurker, only because I DONT HAVE AN E92 yet. i was on this forum when it first started as the e90s came out, and i went left and purchased a 06 A4 2.0t, why? because chipped its faster or on par to the 330i, has awd, and was sexier (although the E92 changed that).

I was also one of the first to chip the 2.0t engine (which is NOTHING like the 1.8t it replaced beyond the SMICs and the K03 name of the turbo). I was chipped in December 05, at 8k miles, and im now at 41.5k miles (do the math on the mileage chipped). The same questions came up when the 2.0t chip talk came out. little history

APR was first to come out, and they mislead the public forums (mainly because they are biggest chipper for the vag market and wanted to be first to market). they made claims that parts that never failed would. basically this is proof that waiting and watching the chipping game play out pays huge dividents. their programming had issues on some cars, then revo came out (and i helped set up a GTG were more than 20 cars got chipped), i was one of the first to jump on, even before that. The chipping questions washed away within 2-3months after it came out. And i will say that there were no real know issues with a chip.

for history, the chipping of the 2.0t cranks the boost from ~15psi, to 18-21psi (matter on programming), and these engines are surviving fine, some even with very high EGTs.

the difference with the 335i chipping, this is experience talking from a similar situation, the 335i is only a 1-2psi increase in boost (peanuts to a Audi driver), and is RUNNING COOLER. i agree, some dealers are POSes,

THEY DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOID UR ENTIRE WARRANTY OVER A CHIP

THE LAW
Is extremely simple, the dealer has to prove that the CHIP (or the intellectual right in this situation) CAUSED THE PROBLEM, then they CAN NOT VOID YOUR ENTIRE VEHICLE WARRANTY, they can ONLY deny the claim for warranty work, and still has to warranty the rest of ur car. Even at this point, if the turbo or engine starts going, it gives u plenty of time to remove the chip/software. also if this problem is caught early, the costs are alot less.

PS i plan to take delivery of my E92 in jan/feb, and after break in will immediately proceed to tune it.

[hemi to e90]

Also, in the end, the decision to chip or not IS A CHOICE, if u are happy with the power, dont do it. if u are concerned or unconvinced about the reliabilty, performance, "legality", and ur warranty, then DONT DO IT!

[Backattack]

This thread separates the men from the kids. I'm sure BMW is reading through this forum and have already recognized ways to identify "modders" rather quickly. I'm sure the mods won't hurt a car for the first 30-40K miles, but after that, the engine will start to show considerable loss of performance, etc. Especially if stepped on quite frequently. Notice that ///MML hasn't posted another message?!

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by Backattack

This thread separates the men from the kids. I'm sure BMW is reading through this forum and have already recognized ways to identify "modders" rather quickly. I'm sure the mods won't hurt a car for the first 30-40K miles, but after that, the engine will start to show considerable loss of performance, etc. Especially if stepped on quite frequently. Notice that ///MML hasn't posted another message?!

i really doubt that BMW would care. Part of the VW/AUDI cars ability to be chipped and to make more horsepower is encouraged. i promise u programming from big aftermarket companies is comming soon (that would be dinan, ac, another others). chipping doesnt seem to hurt this engine car, and im sorry as of right now u dont have any proof that it does or doesnt (which can be blamed on how new the 335i's engine is). But the facts are simple,

1. Vag cars have been chipped since the initial 1.8ts came out and most w/o issue. search those forums and ud find is hard to point out a specific turbo/engine blown by relatively mild tuning (which is what this is)

2. your engine is running cooler, and the boost increase is so small its not worth discussion (again i point out the boost increase on the 2.0t)

3. im speaking from more experience than most of the posters have, including the originator.

4. turbos/engines going after being chipped are going to be few and far between there are OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED. inproper breakin, excessive WOT useage, track useage, and the like.

5. reliabilty issues of this engine have come up ON STOCK CARS.

respect ur car and it will respect u, and again there are plenty of chipped cars out there running over 100k miles. Chipping is a new concept to BMW owners, and hesitation is understandable. My advise is to wait and see how things playout, but IMHO i doubt with mild tuning there will be issues. Also dinan will prolly come out with software (as they should) and their products carry warranties honored at some BMW dealers

excuse my spelling i was at a happy hour tonight

[CoralRedPlz]

but after that, the engine will start to show considerable loss of performance, etc. Especially if stepped on quite frequently.

this sounds like conjecture.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by ///MML

Life is a zero sum game guys, somebody pays no matter what...

life is not a zero sum game... thats a pathetic self centered ignorant theory... its an excuse to be lazy.

Anyone that goes through life thinking that it will all be for nothing, might as well commit suicide, and leave some more "SUM" for the rest of us... find something out there that is bigger than yourself, and strive for it...

The business of making and selling cars is also NOT a zero sum game... if that was the case, their would be no such thing as profit... trust me, BMW has some very large "SUMS" lining their pockets... its there job to prove a warrenty to be void, if they can't/don't do that, then its the customers gain... and the fault of BMW.

zero sum...

[hemi to e90]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

life is not a zero sum game... thats a pathetic self centered ignorant theory... its an excuse to be lazy.

Anyone that goes through life thinking that it will all be for nothing might as well commit suicide... find something out there that is bigger than yourself, and strive for it...

The business of making and selling cars is also NOT a zero sum game... if that was the case, their would be no such thing as profit... trust me, BMW has some very large "SUMS" lining their pockets... its there job to prove a warrenty to be void, if they can't/don't do that, then its the customers gain... and the fault of BMW.

zero sum...

to qoute fergie

"OOOO SNAP"

[StewtheBassman]

Yeah I feel so bad for BMW, they're friggin' gougers on the smallest options....like my paint really cost $800 extra or that stupid CA keyfob is really worth $800....gimme a break......that bigass sailboat they race with Oracle and all those 7 series they give away at golf tournaments...a couple of guys modding their 335s isn't stealing from anyone, it's their risk and they know it.

What a crybaby!

[canuck335i]

Originally Posted by StewtheBassman

Yeah I feel so bad for BMW, they're friggin' gougers on the smallest options....like my paint really cost $800 extra or that stupid CA keyfob is really worth $800....gimme a break......that bigass sailboat they race with Oracle and all those 7 series they give away at golf tournaments...a couple of guys modding their 335s isn't stealing from anyone, it's their risk and they know it.

What a crybaby!

+1

[Backattack]

Originally Posted by hemi to e90

i really doubt that BMW would care. Part of the VW/AUDI cars ability to be chipped and to make more horsepower is encouraged. i promise u programming from big aftermarket companies is comming soon (that would be dinan, ac, another others). chipping doesnt seem to hurt this engine car, and im sorry as of right now u dont have any proof that it does or doesnt (which can be blamed on how new the 335i's engine is). But the facts are simple,

1. Vag cars have been chipped since the initial 1.8ts came out and most w/o issue. search those forums and ud find is hard to point out a specific turbo/engine blown by relatively mild tuning (which is what this is)

2. your engine is running cooler, and the boost increase is so small its not worth discussion (again i point out the boost increase on the 2.0t)

3. im speaking from more experience than most of the posters have, including the originator.

4. turbos/engines going after being chipped are going to be few and far between there are OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED. inproper breakin, excessive WOT useage, track useage, and the like.

5. reliabilty issues of this engine have come up ON STOCK CARS.

respect ur car and it will respect u, and again there are plenty of chipped cars out there running over 100k miles. Chipping is a new concept to BMW owners, and hesitation is understandable. My advise is to wait and see how things playout, but IMHO i doubt with mild tuning there will be issues. Also dinan will prolly come out with software (as they should) and their products carry warranties honored at some BMW dealers

excuse my spelling i was at a happy hour tonight

I'll also excuse the fact that you don't know what "stepping" on a car is. If you knew what that meant you wouldn't have taken the time to post what you did. And I agree with the following statements you make.

"inproper breakin, excessive WOT useage" -- BTW, WTF is "Proper WOT?" LOL!
"respect ur car and it will respect u"

BTW, if you take two identical 335i vehicles and drove them spiritedly one with the Vishnu mod, and one without, I can easily guarantee that after X number of miles the Vishnu tuned engine would have a mechanical failure FIRST. And that I can say with undeniable certainty. So all this crap about the car running cooler, etc GIVE ME A BREAK, a Visnhu tuned car will NEVER LAST LONGER THAN a STOCK Vehicle.