[cstavaru]

I agree that Dinan seems to be doing alot more research and cares about the hardware specs too.

[bmw335 power]

Dinan is a waste of money. It makes power only for the first few runs. After the car heats up it looses alot of power. You pay about two to three times the $$$$$ compare to others tunes out in the market. If you want something powerful, reliable, and untraceable then go with VISHNU PROCEDE!!!!! FTW

[Sal Collaziano]

A friend of mine has a Dinan stage 2 tune (only) and it's as fast as my JB3 on map 5 with a dual cone intake. The way I see it is my friend paid a few thousand for his setup and I paid about $600.00.. Not only that, I can get more modifications and jump up to a more powerful map. He can't... I can get any one of these - or all: front mount intercooler, down pipes, methanol injection or just race gas alone - and I can raise my map setting.

With the Dinan setup, you can get a front mount intercooler but it's not going to do much more in regards to power. At least if I get a FMIC, I can raise my boost...

A JB+ or JB3 is very, very easy to install and uninstall for service visits...

[cvc 22349a]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

Yes. The HPFP has a separate warranty

Did you get that from BMWNA or a dealership? Dinan told me the same thing on the phone, but I'd like to hear that from BMW.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by fruition3000

Stock 335 with JB3 or Dinan produces the same result up untill Map 5. JB3/Procede Pushes up to 20 PSI! Dinan pushes up to 14 PSI. Its quite obvious JB3 will be more effective but at your turbo's expense.

Oh yea this is the other reason why I didn't go the route
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400519

Everyday someone is complaining about something not working. I personally don't even want to lift the hood of my car. I can't imagine having my car breakdown somewhere and then have no tools in the car to take out the chip before it gets towed to the dealer.

all you need is a small flat head and a 8mm hand driver which I used to keep in my car at all times, but never had to use them in 40k miles. Pretty simple. You can install/uninstall it 3 times before a flatbed will show up.

[335iMSport10]

Originally Posted by fruition3000

Everyday someone is complaining about something not working. I personally don't even want to lift the hood of my car. I can't imagine having my car breakdown somewhere and then have no tools in the car to take out the chip before it gets towed to the dealer.

+100, I have the Singh Autosport N54 tune. I have nothing against the Dinan tune. I'm a firm believer in tunes by any reputable company.

[bmw335 power]

Keep in mind that not all dealership will warranty your faulty BMW parts. Dealership and BMW sent my dad back and forth trying to get our turbos replaced. BMW blamed Dinan for the fault and Dinan blamed BMW for the fault. It left us in the middle don't know what to do. We ended dumping the Dinan stuff and switched over to the Procede. Never looked back since then. Our cars are much faster espeically with a fully bolt on car. With a factory oil cooler and virtually a stage 3 car never experienced overheating issues with the Procede. Dinan is an obd2 reflash and dealership can still trace it. If you want a tune that is fully untraceable, Procede is the only one right now.

Ps. JB uses BT tool to clear codes, however you much know that the "black box" still stores codes that the BT tool can't clear. Only Vishnu has figure out how to clear "black box" ghost codes!!!

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by GaryS

^^ Yes, unless you're planning on drag-racing with meth and nitrous, Dinan Stage 2 is excellent. It delivers the same power as other tunes that are safe for cars with stock intercooler and downpipes, it has no-worry, no-hassle warranty, it has ten times more smoothness for daily driving, and it doesn't turn you into a piggyback troll.

adding: well, maybe not ten times more smoothness, but it is smoother

+100

[jonni44]

+1 I love my Dinan stage 3, of course when I bought it my car it already had the intercooler and oil cooler and the Stage 3 Tune was on sale for 20% off so I got a an absolutely wicked deal.

[Brey335i]

Originally Posted by cvc 22349a

Did you get that from BMWNA or a dealership? Dinan told me the same thing on the phone, but I'd like to hear that from BMW.

Well... how about a Dinan tuned 535i that my friend's dad has that needed a HPFP replacement at 70,000 miles; it was taken care of by the dealership with no issues. As I understand it, the HPFP has it's own warranty that only covers the HPFP and is not affected by anything other than changes to the pump itself. By adding this warranty, BMW has acknowledged that the HPFP is prone to failure.

Originally Posted by bmw335 power

Keep in mind that not all dealership will warranty your faulty BMW parts. Dealership and BMW sent my dad back and forth trying to get our turbos replaced. BMW blamed Dinan for the fault and Dinan blamed BMW for the fault.

My Dinan stealership is also my local stealership : )

[bmw335 power]

I understand BMW pays the dealer for the work, but in the real world that is not the case. I am glad I live in a family that doesn't have to worry too much about money, but we love cars. To be exact we had 5 N54 engine cars in our family. My dad loves BMW's and we love modifying them. We have tried GIAC, Dinan, AA, Procede, and JB3. I read alot of these forums but most of the people on here are retarded and they should learn more about EFI before speaking (I am a certified EFI tuner!!) Leave most of these tunes out of the equation. Dinan at the end of the day is a obd2 reflash so no matter what you do you will still be able to be traced by the factory company and i know for a fact that not every dealer nor bmw will approve all work to be replaced/repaired. I know for a fact that a few customers has switched from Dinan to Procede after dealing with reparing issues and you can verify that with Vishnu. My dad is certainly one of those customers. We like our cars to go fast and most importantly reliable and smooth. Dinan is pretty for the most part but cost $$$$ and problems we had to deal with. JB, that is another story. GIAC and AA they are a little behind in the game. We have tried almost every tune out in the market and hands down Procede has the highest power delivery and smoothness in power. What i don't like about the Dinan is that when your car heats up the car feel like a dog!!! Have you guys even driven a Procede w/ the new Autotune/boost????? try it out first, and try it out while driving the car hard in heat and watch what the tune does. Maybe don't take my word for it, but have the product tell its own story!!!

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by bmw335 power

Ps. JB uses BT tool to clear codes, however you much know that the "black box" still stores codes that the BT tool can't clear. Only Vishnu has figure out how to clear "black box" ghost codes!!!

Not this again! This has yet to be proven. I had started thread on this exact thought on another forum where the 2 tuners can discuss and it has yet to be proven that this is true.

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by bmw335 power

Dinan is a waste of money. It makes power only for the first few runs. After the car heats up it looses alot of power. You pay about two to three times the $$$$$ compare to others tunes out in the market. If you want something powerful, reliable, and untraceable then go with VISHNU PROCEDE!!!!! FTW

Bullshit! My car doesn't "heat up" and LOSE any power. If your family "doesn't have to worry about money", then what do you care what we spend ours on? We don't have to worry about "hiding" and being "untraceable". And I'm sure the JB guys will argue with you about your fanboy choice.

Me, I could care less about what is less expensive and makes more power so's I can make big numbers on the dyno and low E.T.s racing the rice boys. I like what I bought, I've had 3 Dinan cars, and it'll continue to be my choice in the future.

This thread is about Dinan...if you don't like it, then get the hell out of it!

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Bullshit! My car doesn't "heat up" and LOSE any power. If your family "doesn't have to worry about money", then what do you care what we spend ours on? We don't have to worry about "hiding" and being "untraceable". And I'm sure the JB guys will argue with you about your fanboy choice.

Me, I could care less about what is less expensive and makes more power so's I can make big numbers on the dyno and low E.T.s racing the rice boys. I like what I bought, I've had 3 Dinan cars, and it'll continue to be my choice in the future.

This thread is about Dinan...if you don't like it, then get the hell out of it!

actually yes its been proven a long time ago that Dinan has a heavy IAT boost decay. So yes, if your car 'heats up' as in heat soak you will lose power heavily.

procede does the same, its a good feature.....the argument however could be about how much they do it.

[joec500]

Dinan tune is a great and is relatively comparable to other tunes in regards to Butt Dynos....The most important one IMO, as I don't really track my car. I think Dinan is best for people who get the tune when the car is VERY early on warranty covereage, i.e. first 10k miles. Then you get the maximum warranty headaches. Also it's for people who would rather just set it and forget it. Like 90% of most BMW buyers. For us enthusiasts who love to get under the hood when we can, and perhaps may not be at the income level where saving 1,000+ dollars is not an issue for the luxury of not having to worry about anything, then the Dinan tune is probably for you.

The Dinan stuff is really not geared for our market (the majority members of this forum), but rather someone like my dad, who appreciates more power, but will not deal with taking anything apart under the hood or dealing with warraty denial.

Let's face it, most of us forum members like to tweak and adjust things, where my dad is a set it and forget it forever kind of guy.

[scottp999]

Originally Posted by joec500

Dinan tune is a great and is relatively comparable to other tunes in regards to Butt Dynos....The most important one IMO, as I don't really track my car. I think Dinan is best for people who get the tune when the car is VERY early on warranty covereage, i.e. first 10k miles. Then you get the maximum warranty headaches. Also it's for people who would rather just set it and forget it. Like 90% of most BMW buyers. For us enthusiasts who love to get under the hood when we can, and perhaps may not be at the income level where saving 1,000+ dollars is not an issue for the luxury of not having to worry about anything, then the Dinan tune is probably for you.

The Dinan stuff is really not geared for our market (the majority members of this forum), but rather someone like my dad, who appreciates more power, but will not deal with taking anything apart under the hood or dealing with warraty denial.

Let's face it, most of us forum members like to tweak and adjust things, where my dad is a set it and forget it forever kind of guy.

Agree. If you want warranty matching and emissions compliance it is the perfect option. Plus most Dinan dealers will give you great customer service.

[dlbrooks18]

Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano

A friend of mine has a Dinan stage 2 tune (only) and it's as fast as my JB3 on map 5 with a dual cone intake. The way I see it is my friend paid a few thousand for his setup and I paid about $600.00.. Not only that, I can get more modifications and jump up to a more powerful map. He can't... I can get any one of these - or all: front mount intercooler, down pipes, methanol injection or just race gas alone - and I can raise my map setting.

With the Dinan setup, you can get a front mount intercooler but it's not going to do much more in regards to power. At least if I get a FMIC, I can raise my boost...

A JB+ or JB3 is very, very easy to install and uninstall for service visits...

and your friend can get a custom mapped JB+ and also turn up his boost on the Dinan flash

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Originally Posted by joec500

The Dinan stuff is really not geared for our market (the majority members of this forum), but rather someone like my dad, who appreciates more power, but will not deal with taking anything apart under the hood or dealing with warraty denial.

I'm more like your dad (and may be as old as your dad, too). I don't want to fool around with taking stuff off, putting stuff back on. Not my thing.

Dinan gives me what I'm looking for. Set it and forget it. My BMW dealer is also a Dinan dealer. Works out well.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Marcus-SanDiego

I'm more like your dad (and may be as old as your dad, too). I don't want to fool around with taking stuff off, putting stuff back on. Not my thing.

Dinan gives me what I'm looking for. Set it and forget it. My BMW dealer is also a Dinan dealer. Works out well.

perfect tune for you then

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Sniz

perfect tune for you then

+1

[Marcus-SanDiego]

Originally Posted by Sniz

perfect tune for you then

Exactly. That was my thinking when I got it.

[M4TW]

Originally Posted by Sniz

actually yes its been proven a long time ago that Dinan has a heavy IAT boost decay. So yes, if your car 'heats up' as in heat soak you will lose power heavily.

procede does the same, its a good feature.....the argument however could be about how much they do it.

Are you referring to dataloging that Bubbles did a while back? Or were there other tests? I have a BT tool, is there a test I can run?

I think we can profile tune users like this. To a typical JB3 user, an engine that scales back boost to protect itself from overheating is a FLAW. To a Dinan user it's a safety measure. To a Procede user it is a safety measure, but doesn't have to be that aggressive.