[KadeSdad]

Post #19 - sounds like a bit of an M3 dissection. No denying that Palmnuts C63 is an awesome car....but at what cost compared to a stock M3, I'd like to see the profit & loss sheet ;-)

[Palmnuts]

Originally Posted by E92Fan

Palmnuts, how does the car feel now it's back in the UK ?

It's still quite harsh over here...but still at least 50% better than it was before Uli made his adjustments.

Seriously, the difference between the continent and the UK is unbelievable and there is not a hope in hell it's going any harder regardless of what I said yesterday! The body control is in fact not any noticeablly softer when going round roundabouts or even high speed bends - its resolutely flat so I have no ideas why I thought I needed it to be harder!

I still needs adjustment to reduce vibrations caused in particular by rough or broken surfaces - where the wheel is having to respond very quickly (high speed damping by any chance?). Considering the back end has hardly been adjusted then I guess a lot can be gained there when he sorts the rear dampers out but I still reckon there is more 'give' needed in the front too.

Tony - I just want to say thank you for sorting this for me...I still can't get over who the guy is that is setting my car up (for everyone else who doesn;t know...he is the person who tests/develops AMG's for Mercedes and he did 100,000+ development miles in the C63 before it was launched. You couldn't get anybody more qualified to work on the car!)

Also, can you please let me know about the brake pads as soon as you know as my front pads are grinding like hell - I'd like to get them replaced this weekend as it's the only chance I've got before going out the ring again in a coiuple of weeks!

Cheers

Andrew

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

I can confirm that it's a great car. Utterly addictive sound, cool looks (interior in particular) and waaayy fast.

Was a real pleasure meeting you two guys on the 'Ring and hope to see you again in August!

Alpina_B3_Lux

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

I can confirm that it's a great car. Utterly addictive sound, cool looks (interior in particular) and waaayy fast.

Was a real pleasure meeting you two guys on the 'Ring and hope to see you again in August!

Alpina_B3_Lux

Had a really great time also. Was good to meet you both too. The cow on a rock was fantastic!

[- Paul -]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

The cow on a rock was fantastic!

Great atmosphere in there aswell with all the driver pics etc.

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by - Paul -

Great atmosphere in there aswell with all the driver pics etc.

True... should of had two lumps of sirloin instead of one. Could have sat there all night cooking steak chunks.

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by Palmnuts

It's still quite harsh over here...but still at least 50% better than it was before Uli made his adjustments.

Seriously, the difference between the continent and the UK is unbelievable and there is not a hope in hell it's going any harder regardless of what I said yesterday! The body control is in fact not any noticeablly softer when going round roundabouts or even high speed bends - its resolutely flat so I have no ideas why I thought I needed it to be harder!

I still needs adjustment to reduce vibrations caused in particular by rough or broken surfaces - where the wheel is having to respond very quickly (high speed damping by any chance?). Considering the back end has hardly been adjusted then I guess a lot can be gained there when he sorts the rear dampers out but I still reckon there is more 'give' needed in the front too.

Tony - I just want to say thank you for sorting this for me...I still can't get over who the guy is that is setting my car up (for everyone else who doesn;t know...he is the person who tests/develops AMG's for Mercedes and he did 100,000+ development miles in the C63 before it was launched. You couldn't get anybody more qualified to work on the car!)

Also, can you please let me know about the brake pads as soon as you know as my front pads are grinding like hell - I'd like to get them replaced this weekend as it's the only chance I've got before going out the ring again in a coiuple of weeks!

Cheers

Andrew

next time I would love to join for a lap Love the dirty sound of it , I could enjoy it more then once driving out of the pits behind you
I have this on tape as well (from my dads Z3), I will check if I can cut it.

Was great to meet you Andrew

[- Paul -]

Originally Posted by JLR1969

True... should of had two lumps of sirloin instead of one. Could have sat there all night cooking steak chunks.

Any pepper on the rocks?

[E92Fan]

Originally Posted by marcel b

next time I would love to join for a lap Love the dirty sound of it , I could enjoy it more then once driving out of the pits behind you
I have this on tape as well (from my dads Z3), I will check if I can cut it.

Was great to meet you Andrew

Tell you what Marcel, I'll take you out in Andrew's car next time...!!!

[Palmnuts]

Originally Posted by E92Fan

Tell you what Marcel, I'll take you out in Andrew's car next time...!!!

Probably best Marcel...I tend to make people sick when I take them out!!

[Palmnuts]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

I can confirm that it's a great car. Utterly addictive sound, cool looks (interior in particular) and waaayy fast.

Was a real pleasure meeting you two guys on the 'Ring and hope to see you again in August!

Alpina_B3_Lux

Likewise - great to meet you and Sarah!

Will be a great weekend in a a couple of weeks...see you there!

[Palmnuts]

Originally Posted by marcel b

next time I would love to join for a lap Love the dirty sound of it , I could enjoy it more then once driving out of the pits behind you
I have this on tape as well (from my dads Z3), I will check if I can cut it.

Was great to meet you Andrew

Thanks Marcel....I hope you can get that soundclip as I never get to hear it from it's behind!

Like I said, probably best a proper driver takes you out i.e. Not me!

[Palmnuts]

Well, after a bit more driving it around today I can say that I am more and more convinced that Uli got the front end spot on...it rides firmly yes, but the overall drive is sublime! The back end is noticeably stiffer which will be sorted in a couple of weeks.

And the handling is just not comparable with what went before....it's amazing what a set of very good (and expensive) coilovers can do! The US AMG guy's swear that this is the best mod for the car and they're not wrong!

I'm going to have a play about at the weekend with some different settings just to see what variance is available with this suspension (out of curiosity more than anything) but I think ultimately the front end will be sticking exactly as-is!

Now, what about that BRABUS upgrade??

Well, my butt-dyno definitely tells me it's quick - where before it just felt fast across the whole rev range from about 2000rpm upwards, it can now add really strong 'thrust you back into the seat' top-end pull. It's very reminiscent of how the M6 would pull at the top end but with the added bonus of strong torque lower down.

I'm having it dyno'd again next weekend so we'll see if it's a real increase or just all in my mind!

[E92Fan]

Originally Posted by Palmnuts

Probably best Marcel...I tend to make people sick when I take them out!!

I think that was more the passenger and his lunch, than your driving...! Pussy...

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by E92Fan

Tell you what Marcel, I'll take you out in Andrew's car next time...!!!

Fine with me! Looking forward already.

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by Palmnuts

Thanks Marcel....I hope you can get that soundclip as I never get to hear it from it's behind!

Like I said, probably best a proper driver takes you out i.e. Not me!

Because my dad is driving behind me (with the windows closed) unfortunatly you do not here much of the sound. He didn't open the window like I did

But still a nice clip as it shows the difference in acceleration between a 335i and C63 AMG.
Posted a first clip of a lap of my dad yesterday on youtube. You are in there as well somewhere. An 08:30 in his Z3 coupe 3.0 with traffic and he waited in the beginning for the E36 to pass. Not bad

[Imran@Evolve]

Andrew - congrats on the new found power and handling.

I'm glad you had a good experience at CPR - they are an evolve dealer also so all our tuning is available from them to cater for the more northerly part of England.

Looking forward to seeing the dyno results of the Brabus upgrade.

[JLR1969]

Originally Posted by E92Fan

I think that was more the passenger and his lunch, than your driving...! Pussy...

I wish I could agree Tony. When Andrew was following you and taking the racing line in all corners the difference was huge.

Andrew on his own =

Andrew taking the correct racing line =

Tony driving me as a passenger =

The whole ring experience =

[marcel b]

Andrew,

here the start of the lap I had on tape. As I said before, the sound of your car unfortunately cannot be heard. Still fun to see though

[E92Fan]

Palmnuts doing a good job of following me around the 'Ring





Photo courtesy of Jochen@Frozenspeed

[M3-FAST]

Originally Posted by marcel b

Andrew,

here the start of the lap I had on tape. As I said before, the sound of your car unfortunately cannot be heard. Still fun to see though

Amazing how little body roll that C63 has now - very impressive

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by M3-FAST

Amazing how little body roll that C63 has now - very impressive

from 07:20 onwards in the first link you can see the C63 as well.