[blue2fire]

I hope the interior is well made and it comes with a few nifty gadgets. Dont much care for american cars but i like the idea of this one.

[ejazbmw]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

No shit it would have a huge crowd around it. GM's been hyping it up for three goddamn years. If someone claims to have a "230mpg" (now bogus) revolutionary electric car, it's gonna attract the people. Nobody knew that GM was gonna price it in the same league as entry level luxury cars though. It better be pretty fucking good. Car enthusiasts have the right to bitch about this.

of course there gonna hike up the price since they know people are going to want the latest in technology. to me at least from a marketing POV their price tag makes sense to me would i buy it? no, but I'm sure there already a lot of people lined up for this thing...

[JB135i]

Originally Posted by quagmire

The Volt program started back in 2007........ You're also paying for the Leaf as it as well qualifies for the credit. You also used to pay for the Prius, etc. You're paying for people to buy the 335d as I believe it still qualifies for a credit due to it being a diesel.

Congrats though for having the most uninformed post I have seen in awhile.

Just because the Volt program was started in 2007 doesn't prevent us from subsidizing it now does it?

Just because we are paying for those others as well, doesn't mean we are not paying for the Volt does it?

The OP was on the Volt was it not? I wasn't addressing other subsidies, which there are tons in too many sectors imo. We are talking about the four-wheel-fail called the Volt.

Grats for failing to stay on topic (yeh I know, I didn't now either). Grats for failing at logic. Grats for loving big socialist government (an assumption) because of your tone. I hope I am wrong.

[jt335i]

$41,000 for a car that the average Joe or Jane, in this current state of the economy, can't afford even with a tax break. What a great way to overprice a new product with the expectation of selling 10,000 in the first year.
I don't think so. They'd be lucky to sell a few thousand.
All I see is just another failed product due to glitches and recalls because of unproven technology.
Good work General Malfunction. Too much too late.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by JB135i

Just because the Volt program was started in 2007 doesn't prevent us from subsidizing it now does it?

Just because we are paying for those others as well, doesn't mean we are not paying for the Volt does it?

The OP was on the Volt was it not? I wasn't addressing other subsidies, which there are tons in too many sectors imo. We are talking about the four-wheel-fail called the Volt.

Grats for failing to stay on topic (yeh I know, I didn't now either). Grats for failing at logic. Grats for loving big socialist government (an assumption) because of your tone. I hope I am wrong.

You said typical government program. You also stated government motors. I said the Volt program started back in 2007 to say it isn't a government program( since uh.... GM wasn't owned by the government when the program started). All the past 3 years they have stated the MSRP would be around $40K. They have been honest and forthcoming about the Volt and how it will come to market. If the Volt was $10K, then it would almost guarantee the government subsidizing it until the costs of the components, etc are cheap enough to where GM can sell the Volt for $10K and make a profit. The battery alone costs around $10,000! Hell at $41K, they are still taking a loss on it. If you seriously expected this to cost anywhere close to the Prius or below $20K, I want what you are smoking.

Why are you against subsidizing so much? We have done it for ages. Republican or Democrat controlled governments doesn't matter. We have subsidized industries for so long it isn't funny. Hell, if it wasn't for subsidies you wouldn't be enjoying your $80 Southwest tickets because the airline industry back in the day was impractical for commercial flying without the government subsidizing the airlines due to costs. We also subsidize our farmers. You think subsidizing cars to help Americans afford vehicles that don't burn on fossil fuels is not a good thing?

How is the Volt a failure? Because you have the perception of GM being a shit car company that can't hold a finger to the Japanese automakers and your precious BMW?

I am not going to even touch your socialism comment. That just shows you're so far to the extremist end, it isn't funny.

Originally Posted by jt335i

$41,000 for a car that the average Joe or Jane, in this current state of the economy, can't afford even with a tax break. What a great way to overprice a new product with the expectation of selling 10,000 in the first year.
I don't think so. They'd be lucky to sell a few thousand.
All I see is just another failed product due to glitches and recalls because of unproven technology.
Good work General Malfunction. Too much too late.

I really don't see 10,000 units in the first year to be so hard to hit.... They just have to average an 833 monthly sales which I think they will easily hit especially with the lease deals. How is it overpriced? The battery costs around $10,000 alone and GM is still making a loss on the vehicle.

This forum has so many blind fanboys it isn't funny.

[Freakazoid]

Originally Posted by quagmire

This forum has so many blind fanboys it isn't funny.

[DenverJayhawk]

Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

Lmfao...jesus

If you buy this car you are stupid as fuck

(I don't mean you LI E90)

Folks that buy this car aren't doing it because it makes economical sense. Same thing can be said for any other hybrid on the road today.

[DenverJayhawk]

Originally Posted by JB135i

Just because the Volt program was started in 2007 doesn't prevent us from subsidizing it now does it?

Just because we are paying for those others as well, doesn't mean we are not paying for the Volt does it?

The OP was on the Volt was it not? I wasn't addressing other subsidies, which there are tons in too many sectors imo. We are talking about the four-wheel-fail called the Volt.

Grats for failing to stay on topic (yeh I know, I didn't now either). Grats for failing at logic. Grats for loving big socialist government (an assumption) because of your tone. I hope I am wrong.

I think his point is that you are singling out the subsidies for the VOLT while at the same time it seems you don't have a problem with anything else that is subsidized by the government. Yes, the OP topic was regarding the Volt, but since your complaint is with subsidies, do you also take issue with the tax credits on hybrids and diesels from Ford, Honda, VW and Toyota?

EDIT: GM will have no problem selling out of the first run of VOLTS. But it won't be a long term success until GM can make a profit from it.

[jt335i]

Originally Posted by quagmire

....
I really don't see 10,000 units in the first year to be so hard to hit.... They just have to average an 833 monthly sales which I think they will easily hit especially with the lease deals. How is it overpriced? The battery costs around $10,000 alone and GM is still making a loss on the vehicle.

This forum has so many blind fanboys it isn't funny.

We'll see if they can sell that many in this present state of the economy. With a new car with new techology, I'm sure there's going to be glitches and recalls that will get bad press and thus scare away potential buyers because, once word spreads, it's spreads like wildfire.

Yes. Overpriced for a Chevy. You can get a luxury car for that price. As you said, GM is still making a loss on it so it's doomed to fail from the start.

Sorry for being so anti-General Malfunction. I've owned a few General Malfunction cars in the past (1986 Pontiac Grand-Am, 1989 Chevy Z-24, 1995 Grand-Prix GTP) and every one of them have had mechanical problems. Because of that, I'll never buy one ever again.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by jt335i

We'll see if they can sell that many in this present state of the economy. With a new car with new techology, I'm sure there's going to be glitches and recalls that will get bad press and thus scare away potential buyers because, once word spreads, it's spreads like wildfire.

Yes. Overpriced for a Chevy. You can get a luxury car for that price. As you said, GM is still making a loss on it so it's doomed to fail from the start.

Sorry for being so anti-General Malfunction. I've owned a few General Malfunction cars in the past (1986 Pontiac Grand-Am, 1989 Chevy Z-24, 1995 Grand-Prix GTP) and every one of them have had mechanical problems. Because of that, I'll never buy one ever again.

So is the Corvette, Tahoe, Suburban, Silverado, Traverse, etc overpriced? And all of them have sold well when they cost $40K or more. Or how about the Tesla? The Tesla is built on the Lotus platform that costs around the same as the 'Vette. Electric cars are expensive. The Leaf is also entering luxury car prices. You think that is overpriced? The Prius was expensive when it came out.

The Prius didn't make a profit from the start. Hardly any new unproven technology is profitable trying to go after the masses. So because it will be a financial loss for GM, doesn't mean the Volt will be a failure.

I have owned a 1996 Suburban, 2002 Suburban, 2006 Equinox, and 2007 Saturn Aura XR. None of them had or has had any major problems. Now my dads old E46 330xi on the other hand....... So far the only glitch our E90 335xi has had was a malfunctioning computer which wouldn't show the average MPG we were getting.

Hey, I know GM deserves its reputation from its past shoddy products. But, it seems to me people hold a grudge against Detroit longer then any other automaker. People are already forgiving the Koreans when not too long ago, they made cheap POS's as well. And VW and Mercedes have gone through a rough patch as well and they seem to be forgiven by consumers. But, don't be so blind to think today they make POS's as they did 10-20 years ago.

[gun6slinger9]

heres the nail in the coffin guys... the volts range extending gas engine runs on premium only

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/che...mium-gasoline/

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by DenverJayhawk

Folks that buy this car aren't doing it because it makes economical sense. Same thing can be said for any other hybrid on the road today.

What reason would they be doing it for then?

There is no valid reason to buy this car.

[Oregano123]

Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

What reason would they be doing it for then?

There is no valid reason to buy this car.

the impression

[kaykay]

Originally Posted by JB135i

Typical Government program.

It's overpriced and nobody wants it, but it's forced on the market anyway.

Only Government Motors would even consider doing this.

Glad we bailed them (the unions) out yet? This POS car should be $10,000, we have already paid enough for it.

Oh, and the $7,500 credit, yeh, WE ALL ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THIS CAR!

This car is done before it even started.

Glad Ford Motor is doing well - still the pride of American auto - with GM just a pathetic front for a pathetic government.