[forza1976]

Wow, man if you don't like the topic, don't read them.

Originally Posted by Darkcyd_Turbo

I know someone already mentioned it but the "other forum" IS OWNED/OPERATED BY BMS...JUST LIKE VISHNU HAS THEIR OWN FORUM FOR SUPPORT AND SUCH. I guess vishnu's forum is a fanboy one too, correct? Man, that just makes too much sense doesn't it.

Wow, really guys, I'm not arguing for either tuner...competition benefits us ALL as a consumer. But there are just ignorant comments popping up everywhere. ::HINT::HINT:: look at quoted post in grey.

I usually try to stay out of threads like this but damn...this is benefitting no one. lol

I'm out, you guys can argue amongst yourselves now...

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by oc_bimmer

then why are you visiting that forum?
btw it's way worse here on this board, procede nuthuggers are constantly bashing the jb3 for no reason just to justify their decision why they paid almost twice as much for their tune.

Here we go.

I kid.....


I'm not even going to go back 2years and all the nonsense that guy created on this forum when he first was starting with his "resistor tune."

Enjoy your JB...

[MKE_M3]

Originally Posted by oc_bimmer

then why are you visiting that forum?
btw it's way worse here on this board, procede nuthuggers are constantly bashing the jb3 for no reason just to justify their decision why they paid almost twice as much for their tune.

I only paid 750, brand new, a couple of weeks ago, for the procede. How much are JB3s? And oh yeah, I don't need tobuy a bt or boost gauge.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by techlogik

I just wish Vishnu would put together a better install video...when Shiv tells people to look at Terry's...makes you wonder...

lol... I've told people to do all sorts of things if I think it will help them. But when it comes to install videos, I always recommend ours as the primary guide. Using the jb3 install video would leave out the very important bit about hooking 12v power. Of course, nothing's wrong with looking at that video as it will give you another perspective to a similar installation.

shiv

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by oc_bimmer

then why are you visiting that forum?
btw it's way worse here on this board, procede nuthuggers are constantly bashing the jb3 for no reason just to justify their decision why they paid almost twice as much for their tune.

I don't see much bashing by forum members. Just reviews of both products. Your post could be classified as being "nut hugging" trying to justify why you bought the cheaper tune as well since its almost half the price.

People who never owned both tunes should just

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

lol... I've told people to do all sorts of things if I think it will help them. But when it comes to install videos, I always recommend ours as the primary guide. Using the jb3 install video would leave out the very important bit about hooking 12v power. Of course, nothing's wrong with looking at that video as it will give you another perspective to a similar installation.

shiv

See, like right now, you could be working on that video...haha...

I know, but you posted on another thread the other day that the person could look at JBs video too, because it covers a lot of the same stuff..irony.

[Calvin@Vishnu]

Originally Posted by techlogik

See, like right now, you could be working on that video...haha...

I know, but you posted on another thread the other day that the person could look at JBs video too, because it covers a lot of the same stuff..irony.

lol.. that's not irony. That's just trying to be helpful

[MKE_M3]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

lol... I've told people to do all sorts of things if I think it will help them. But when it comes to install videos, I always recommend ours as the primary guide. Using the jb3 install video would leave out the very important bit about hooking 12v power. Of course, nothing's wrong with looking at that video as it will give you another perspective to a similar installation.

shiv

I also think you should updatge the insall video and include a strong recommendation to add the usb cable. Going back in to install it was a minor pain. That said, I am blown away by how awesome all the recent add ons have been. I can't wait to see what is next!

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

BMS' forum is pretty active! You have lots of customers with various previous versions of the JB3 doing the G3 upgrade, heavily modified customers working on optimizing their times/performance by adjusting the load resistors for a higher boost ceiling, nitrous and larger turbo customers choosing to go for richer air/fuel ratios than current piggybacks can offer by adjusting their fueling resistors, customers setting up the JB3 meth integration, and generally everyone helping everyone out.

Many customers are not aware of the various 2.0 versions. 2.0 just added the USB cable for map loading, logging, and updates, eliminating the need to use the burner or go in the ECU box for updates. But there have been over 20 2.0 beta firmware versions released. Some better than others. The latest being 7/4 which is downright awesome. New with 7/4 was a nifty pedal target user adjustable that lets the driver decide how much partial throttle boost they want. Those who like the sprint-booster will LOVE the pedal target = 100 setting.

My average customer orders a JB3 PnP installs it and enjoys. Never changing anything until they get bored some day and decide to do an update. I don't envision that changing much. But its nice to know if they ever do want to do something custom there is a place they can go for quick help.

Mike

[Darkcyd_Turbo]

Calvin,

I wasn't knocking your guys' forum even if its read only. Bms site though it's a discussion forum also doubles as a JB info forum with updates and such as well.

Like I said before, competition, is benefitting us all as consumers so I don't care either way.

[oc_bimmer]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

I don't see much bashing by forum members. Just reviews of both products. Your post could be classified as being "nut hugging" trying to justify why you bought the cheaper tune as well since its almost half the price.

People who never owned both tunes should just

you

I've never said the procede is not a good product. It may have more features than the jb3, but still, the way its owner bashes his competitor is simply disgusting. I don't have to own both tunes to come to this conclusion. Reading a few posts here is enough.

[Alan l.]

Where do you see the "bashing"?

Even so if someone here who owns or owned a JB3 (same with procede) and wants to vent about it they have every right to on this public forum.

I haven't seen anymore procede members here flat out bash the JB3 with no experience with it more than your average JB3 owner bashing the Procede the same way. What i do see a lot of is how former jb3 owners (like myself) post how they felt about moving from the JB3 over to the Procede and favor it due to X Y Z reasons. If thats what you call "bashing" then so be it.

[oc_bimmer]

here for example:

http://vishnutuningforum.com/viewtop...3&t=16&start=0

[Calvin@Vishnu]

Originally Posted by oc_bimmer

here for example:

http://vishnutuningforum.com/viewtop...3&t=16&start=0

You call that bashing. But others would call it reality. Especially since that post was directed at all current jb3/jb+ users who didn't want to deal with one (or more) of the issues listed. And given by the number of people who upgraded from jb to procede in the pasts couple of months, I think it was right on the money.

You really don't need to be "disgusted" with anything. There are far more important things in life to be concerned about. If you are happy with your have, that's great. It's silly to get your feelings hurt about what someone else says about the produce you just happen to have in your car.

[forza1976]

Originally Posted by oc_bimmer

here for example:

http://vishnutuningforum.com/viewtop...3&t=16&start=0

Look at post #13 in this thread.

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by StartupJunkie

*disclaimer, I'm a Vishnu customer

Recently, I've been noticing how much simpler and easier the Vishnu products are becoming. When in the past, you used to use its extensive logging and then dial in your features in a number of fields. Today, other than loading the new maps and using autotuning, you're done.

On the other JB3 forum (which I read without having an account there), it seems like there are a lot of board upgrades, resistor swapping, sending in logs and getting custom maps or map settings back. In the past, it seems like you set it and forget it.

It seems like these vendors have traded positions. This is a "just for fun" observation, I really don't know what to make of this.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Junk

I don't know, mine has been pretty simple for me. I have had the same 2.0 chip since it came out and just this weekend I am going to upgrade to the most recent software, not board changing, resitor swapping or anything of that nature.. Seems pretty simple and straight forward to me.. Add race gas.. step on the peddle 5 or 7 times.. its not brain surgery..

[Undies]

Originally Posted by Calvin@Vishnu

Have you seen our forum (www.vishnutuningforum.com)? It's not a discussion forum. It's a read-only customer resource forum. We are the in the tuning business, not the discussion forum business. And i think that shows give the current state of our tuning products

I was thinking the samething. Well said.

I love my procede. It has transformed my car into an awesome machine.

Thanks team Vishnu!

Originally Posted by Calvin@Vishnu

You call that bashing. But others would call it reality. Especially since that post was directed at all current jb3/jb+ users who didn't want to deal with one (or more) of the issues listed. And given by the number of people who upgraded from jb to procede in the pasts couple of months, I think it was right on the money.

You really don't need to be "disgusted" with anything. There are far more important things in life to be concerned about. If you are happy with your have, that's great. It's silly to get your feelings hurt about what someone else says about the produce you just happen to have in your car.

honestly. it says a lot about ppl that poor their feelings and emotions on their forum over such a topic.

It is what it is, and what's important is what's relavent. The person who bought it and used it is what's relavent.

[ren]

Terry tells people that this is the Vishnu forum by the way, he hasn't changed much:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...21&postcount=7

[oc_bimmer]

Originally Posted by Calvin@Vishnu

You call that bashing. But others would call it reality. Especially since that post was directed at all current jb3/jb+ users who didn't want to deal with one (or more) of the issues listed. And given by the number of people who upgraded from jb to procede in the pasts couple of months, I think it was right on the money.

You really don't need to be "disgusted" with anything. There are far more important things in life to be concerned about. If you are happy with your have, that's great. It's silly to get your feelings hurt about what someone else says about the produce you just happen to have in your car.

My feelings are not hurt. I just find it funny, but unfortunately there are a few n00bs who fall for that

[fisherbln]

Originally Posted by oc_bimmer

My feelings are not hurt. I just find it funny, but unfortunately there are a few n00bs who fall for that

Just like there are a few "n00bs" that fall for Terry's claim that this is the Vishnu support forum?

[forza1976]

noobs... kettle, this is the pot... you're black!!!

[oc_bimmer]

no, that's something everybody knows