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      10-07-2010, 12:44 AM   #23
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AHH YES!! What Internal combustion engine will it have tho? If its NA and High revving I may just have to pick up one of these bad boys!!
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I guess I don't really understand what exactly has been approved for production.

We know that the VED concept shown in the OP has aboslutely no chance of being turned into a production vehicle as is. Really, the only thing we could hope to expect from a production car is a body that follows the basic silhouette, and something similar to the powertrain. Moreover, I cannot imagine the VED will have its own unique platform, nor will its name actually be VED (though that could show up as a sub-title or sub-branding).

This could be anything from a brand new halo car to a mere offshoot of an existing (or future version of a) regular BMW model.
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My understanding is that the powertrain of the VED was approved for production, but they'll need more time to finish its development. Hence, the car starts in 2013 with an 'old school' engine, and the VED drivetrain will be made available when they're done with the development some time later.

As to the body, sure the final car will look different, but not by much (I hope). It's basically the huge glass doors and the shaped/rolled bumpers what's not feasible.

The VED will be a project i car sharing some elements/principles with the MCV.


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I have a feeling those hoping for a super car/halo car for BMW are going to be very disappointed. My guess is a car with ~7ish second 0-60 but getting around 70 mpg since their emphasis seems to be on efficiency not speed/handling.
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this report also mentions that the Leipzig plant is said to produce the new entry level BMW car.
wait, wat???? entry level? if so, wow i'm putting in my order now.
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wait, wat???? entry level? if so, wow i'm putting in my order now.
That sentence was referring to a different car - "In other news...". I believe that refers to the upcoming sub-1-series FWD line of BMWs that will share the mini platform and engines.
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wait, wat???? entry level? if so, wow i'm putting in my order now.
Sorry if that was confusing. The Leipzig plant was chosen for two new unrelated models: The VED and the new model below the 1-series. The VED won't be priced as an entry level car, that's for sure.


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south, I can see how the powertrain is very feasible, but I think that the body itself is far from a realistic production car. I think the car will look similar to the dontblogaboutthis car which is already wearing what looks to be a production version of the VED front end:



In addition to the obvious glass doors you mention, I don't see the giant flared/finned fenders on the VED concept making it to production. Rather it will be similar to the F12/F13 6 series surfacing on the sides:



In fact, I could see the car being branded Z6 or perhaps Z8.

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My understanding is that the powertrain of the VED was approved for production, but they'll need more time to finish its development. Hence, the car starts in 2013 with an 'old school' engine, and the VED drivetrain will be made available when they're done with the development some time later.

As to the body, sure the final car will look different, but not by much (I hope). It's basically the huge glass doors and the shaped/rolled bumpers what's not feasible.

The VED will be a project i car sharing some elements/principles with the MCV.


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I'm shocked. Are they going to let it into production in current shape? I mean if they do, that's something of a breakthrough. This thing looks unlike anything BMW made to day (and I've seen it in real life, it is very cool). wow. well done! this is the R8 answer, and it's very good.
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south, I can see how the powertrain is very feasible, but I think that the body itself is far from a realistic production car. I think the car will look similar to the dontblogaboutthis car which is already wearing what looks to be a production version of the VED front end:



In addition to the obvious glass doors you mention, I don't see the giant flared/finned fenders on the VED concept making it to production. Rather it will be similar to the F12/F13 6 series surfacing on the sides:

In fact, I could see the car being branded Z6 or perhaps Z8.
Good point. Despite the differences, the visual appearance of this prototpye (at least the front end) doesn't look that different. In other words, I still have hope.

I doubt it will be branded Z6 or Z8 as these badges traditionally are associated with two-seaters.


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Good point. Despite the differences, the visual appearance of this prototpye (at least the front end) doesn't look that different. In other words, I still have hope.

I doubt it will be branded Z6 or Z8 as these badges traditionally are associated with two-seaters.


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There will be some changes but not much,believe me guys you have some good points ,but Bayerische Motoren Werke will change the automobile indutsry and the way we drive in the future,this is only the beginning from our friends at Munchen, Adriaan Van Hooydonk keep up the good work,BMW is bit like Apple they won't release a product without a good reason and good research,for Europe it's a Go approved by the EU so no problems with the EU law, don't know for the rest of the world.The future is near

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the headlights are weird. the car looks too futuristic
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Good point. Despite the differences, the visual appearance of this prototpye (at least the front end) doesn't look that different. In other words, I still have hope.
Yep, the front and rear will echo the VED protype. However, the sides leave me in doubt. Here's an except from a story I picked up on another site (starts with bmw ends with blog ) with an interview from the designer.

"BMW VED introduces for the first time “layered surfacing”, both in interior and exterior design. BMW design chief Adrian van Hooydonk says “layered surfacing” creates a more cohesive and harmonious appearance while also optimizing air flow."

"Q: Can the layering design be used in a production car?
A: What’s important about the layering design is that we work on it every day. We’re trying through layering to create a visual lightness, along with physical lightness, in order to get the performance we need and very little fuel consumption. We need to be lighter and this is something we are definitely working on and it has a lot of potential."


So, I cannot help but notice the way he dodges the question. I am skeptical that this type of body shell will be production feasible by 2013. It might be, but there's many considerations IMHO - everything from fabrication cost to end user maintenance. It's a lot to overcome IMO. In a half million dollar supercar, sure, anything would be on the table. But I think this car is targeted in the 5 figures dollar range for sure. Maybe BMW will do it at this price point, we'll see. If anyone can pull it off, it is BMW I suppose.

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I doubt it will be branded Z6 or Z8 as these badges traditionally are associated with two-seaters.
Yes, and that's a good point. However, given that this car will (apparently - things could change from the dontblogaboutthis mule) be riding on a 6 series platform and will be offered initially with traditional powerplants, I don't know how they will distinguish it sufficiently from the 6 series itself if they do not change it to be two seater, more sportscar-ish, layout. We shall see. But to me, merely making this a 6 series rebodied with swoopy features is a risk.
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