[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by scrufy

Ya know Shiv, people who base their advances on others deficiencies end up looking ridiculous.
I hate it in politicians, and I hate it in your posts.
Grow up and get a life.
If you dont have anything good to say, say nothing.(I know, impossible for you)
Someone has to say it... you never miss to jump on anything you can rib the JB guys or the GIAc or Dinan guys.
Well, that kind of political bullshit is really annoying.
I would rather see a company benefit by their accomplishments, not their oppositions weakness. Sounds lame, like everything by you.
I got over that kind of stuff when I was 12.
If the guys over at BMS had the same attitude, there would be nothing but tuner wars here.
Look at their posts. No flaming to you. They always have a reserved opinion.
Look at your posts... you never fail to say how bad the competition is.
I won't buy your crap solely based on that.
Screw you and your company. If youmade the best tune out, I'd still pass at this point.
It's like Verizon vs ATT.
Who gives a rats ass.

I don't know what warranted the personal insults. Luckily my skin is thick. I encourage you to be a little more open-minded and less partisan when it comes to this subject of tuning. Perhaps if you had a bit more understanding and a bit less anger/frustration, you'd see the valid and truthful point I was making. If that were the case, you'd walk away more educated, the forum less sidetracked, and your pals on the other forum less worked up over nothing.

[tscdennab]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I encourage you to be a little more open-minded and less partisan when it comes to this subject of tuning. Perhaps if you had a bit more understanding and a bit less anger/frustration, you'd see the valid and truthful point I was making. If that were the case, you'd walk away more educated, the forum less sidetracked, and your pals on the other forum less worked up over nothing.

I really don't think that guy is biased. But I have never ever saw any tuner on this forum being so aggressive and rude as you are. IMO there are much better tunes out there than yours, and still I don't see those tuners bashing you.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by tscdennab

I really don't think that guy is biased. But I have never ever saw any tuner on this forum being so aggressive and rude as you are. IMO there are much better tunes out there than yours, and still I don't see those tuners bashing you.

What exactly did I bash? And where was I rude? Maybe you are reading into things that simply aren't there.

Shiv

[Fernflex]

I think both tunes are great and depending on your need you choose one or the other but personally I have a JB3 2.0. I have talked to you (Shiv) by email about some problems with the JB3 and the wastegate rattle and you answer me back quickly and explained very well how Procede could help me and why do I have the sound with the JB3. But one thing that I have never liked like many other already told, you always talked about the bad things from all of the other tunes/tuners.

With such a good product as the Procede you should be more calm and focus on your product and forget about the others. Let the client decide by themselve, everytime you throw a comment agains the other tunes it makes me stay away from yours.
Maybe thats your style, not mine as a sales person!

just my .02 cents

[NYCGarbagePrince]

Originally Posted by Fernflex

I think both tunes are great and depending on your need you choose one or the other but personally I have a JB3 2.0. I have talked to you (Shiv) by email about some problems with the JB3 and the wastegate rattle and you answer me back quickly and explained very well how Procede could help me and why do I have the sound with the JB3. But one thing that I have never liked like many other already told, you always talked about the bad things from all of the other tunes/tuners.

With such a good product as the Procede you should be more calm and focus on your product and forget about the others. Let the client decide by themselve, everytime you throw a comment agains the other tunes it makes me stay away from yours.
Maybe thats your style, not mine as a sales person!

just my .02 cents

this is such a lie... people who buy BMS.. do it for one reason alone. You can all argue this till you are blue in the face but you all buy it for what you believe to be value. "It's cheaper than V4 but it gives the same power, what a great value!"

[GotBoost?]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

What exactly did I bash? And where was I rude? Maybe you are reading into things that simply aren't there.

Shiv

shiv i'm not bushing anyone and i apologize if a started another "tune war"

MODS PLEASE DELETE THIS THRED

[Fernflex]

Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

this is such a lie... people who buy BMS.. do it for one reason alone. You can all argue this till you are blue in the face but you all buy it for what you believe to be value. "It's cheaper than V4 but it gives the same power, what a great value!"

When I bought my JB3 1.4 the only thing I could with that was change maps, the more experience guys could tune it with the tuning gauge, already the Procede was way more advance with a lot of more options.

Maybe im wrong but thats what I remember!

[Express]

N52 owners <3 these threads

[1BAD535]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

What exactly did I bash? And where was I rude? Maybe you are reading into things that simply aren't there.

Shiv

you're just a tad bit aggressive when it comes to point out a flaws on bms products, one of the members just stated just wait and see what the bms products has to offer, you should have simply just give the competitor the benifit of a doubt, i've tried all the tuners and i simply choose which one i was happy with, its just personal opinion, im sure many people have choosen you're product because of the same reason. heck i was you're first 535 customer, i took my black 535 to you right when i bought it about 3 years ago., im sure you remember.

[PeteW84]

not this crap again. How come every thread between the proceede and jb ends up in a war...man I just don't get this.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by 1BAD535

you're just a tad bit aggressive when it comes to point out a flaws on bms products, one of the members just stated just wait and see what the bms products has to offer, you should have simply just give the competitor the benifit of a doubt.

I made a factual statement based upon claims by BMS. There was no doubt to give. I think some people have a difficult time differentiating between an inconvenient truth and a bash. Maybe I'll pad my statements with a warm fuzzy comment in the end. Because the reaction from some people is unneccesarily hostile. If people operated on fact more and emotions less, we wouldn't have these silly discussions. This is a silly car tuning forum. This stuff we talk about is factually black and white. This isn't a religion/belief system. Why people get emotional and upset when facts are presented suggests otherwise.

[MRVBC]

As much as I cant stand these tuner war threads... I must say that I usually end up learning lot's about how these tunes work. Which is kinda cool.

[dmayhem]

Looking forward to hearing about the progress and seeing some dynos!

[Dolemite]

I don't have a 335is, but I have a 335i with BMW performance power kit. Hooked up the JB3 on map 5 & the DCI and some downpipes. It runs strong and good I've put about 8K miles on it, I haven't put it on a dyno or taken it to the track, it seems fine.

Back to the original topic, does anyone have the 335is with a tune?? HAHAHAHA!!!

[AlterZgo]

How does the Procede V4 handle the autoboost function on the is? Does it make overboost available at all the times allowable under the autotuning conditions?

Is there any difference in performance btw a 335i w/ Procede and 335is w/ Procede? IOW, does the Procede provide a more aggressive tune to take advantage of the better cooling enhancements and lower restriction exhaust on the is? Or does autotune automatically compensate for this?

Are there any 6MT 335is Procede users? Care to provide feedback?

[NYCGarbagePrince]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I made a factual statement based upon claims by BMS. There was no doubt to give. I think some people have a difficult time differentiating between an inconvenient truth and a bash. Maybe I'll pad my statements with a warm fuzzy comment in the end. Because the reaction from some people is unneccesarily hostile. If people operated on fact more and emotions less, we wouldn't have these silly discussions. This is a silly car tuning forum. This stuff we talk about is factually black and white. This isn't a religion/belief system. Why people get emotional and upset when facts are presented suggests otherwise.

Some people just can't handle the truth...

When I had my 335, I used every tune there was and even dabbled with a scam artist in my search for more power. But in the end, when I removed all the aftermarket parts on my car, I purchased a procede and used that for the last year until I gave up the car. It is the most complete tune for the engine, and honestly BMS wouldn't exist had Vishnu not tuned this car. This isn't speculation. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH! It's all there, down to Mr. Burger himself asking technical questions in search of answers to build his original juice box.

Those of us who have been around since the platform was released have seen this whole process pan out and it makes me laugh every time I see someone defend BMS and bash vishnu solely on Shiv's choice to point out facts. This is coming from someone with absolutely no investment in either tune. You better believe Terry knows full well that his pricing point is what is selling the black boxes. If Vishnu decided one day to drop their price, they could completely take over the market.

Sad part is, people are deciding to put a product on a $40k+ car based on power and pricing point. There are so many other variables that are completely ignored that are there for the safety of your car.

I really don't care one way or another, it is your car and you are entitled to do what you wish. Mike's job here is damage control and nothing more. If he wasn't here to keep the scales balanced in the constant debate that rages on between these two tunes, E90post.com would be a very different forum.

[Bakeme521]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

What exactly did I bash? And where was I rude? Maybe you are reading into things that simply aren't there.

Shiv

I have to side with that, he made one statement. He didn't bash anything, I personally think you 2 guys are blowing this way out proportion. Everyone needs to just calm down...

[**335i**]

Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

Mike's job here is damage control and nothing more. If he wasn't here to keep the scales balanced in the constant debate that rages on between these two tunes, E90post.com would be a very different forum.

what that suppose to mean? are u v4 or jb3 user?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by **335i**

what that suppose to mean? are u v4 or jb3 user?

I take that as a negative, i feel that he causes more damage because he actually does not know much if anything at all unless terry simply speaks for him. Many threads wouldn't turn to crap if he simply didn't make himself look bad.

[NYCGarbagePrince]

Originally Posted by **335i**

what that suppose to mean? are u v4 or jb3 user?

SSTT, Vishnu, AA, JB, Helix, and then back to Vishnu. I made 400 whp back in 08. But at a risk that thankfully none of you guys have to deal with nowadays because of the advancement in technology.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Marketing approaches are cute from all the tuning parties. I dont agree with much of them, which is why I just choose a tune that works for my needs, has the features I need, and the control I want. Safety Included.

[NYCGarbagePrince]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Marketing approaches are cute from all the tuning parties. I dont agree with much of them, which is why I just choose a tune that works for my needs, has the features I need, and the control I want. Safety Included.

An intelligent and responsible approach.