HPFP #3 failed 180 miles away from home last night

Penn999 · 11-18-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by forza1976

I think you voided your warranty just thinking about modding...

Actually I will be fully bolted as of tuesday...all I need to finish this up is the ar cl dp's. BMW did all of my work, catless exhaust, fmic, boost gauge, even helped me put in my jb3(when I had it, its gone now). I installed my BOV and DCI. I got the new turbos/actuators with all of that shit on there, so believe me im good on the warranty. Tipping the guys that work on your car goes a long way! I just think the addition of meth will def. void it. thats why i have help off on that.

shortseller · 11-18-2010, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by forza1976

I think you voided your warranty just thinking about modding...

The "homeland" wirelessly reading your thoughts, no doubt!

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But in all seriousness, once BMW opens a PUMA case file, they send all the DME info back to BMW Germany, at this point the complete car history is scrutinized.

shortseller · 11-18-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Penn999

Actually I will be fully bolted as of tuesday...all I need to finish this up is the ar cl dp's. BMW did all of my work, catless exhaust, fmic, boost gauge, even helped me put in my jb3(when I had it, its gone now). I installed my BOV and DCI. I got the new turbos/actuators with all of that shit on there, so believe me im good on the warranty. Tipping the guys that work on your car goes a long way! I just think the addition of meth will def. void it. thats why i have help off on that.

Having a relationship with your service dept guys is very important but at some point it gets out of their hands and BMW will not authorize repairs based on DME reports. But again, tipping the guys will increase your chances of a favorable outcome!!

Penn999 · 11-18-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shortseller

Having a relationship with your service dept guys is very important but at some point it gets out of their hands and BMW will not authorize repairs based on DME reports. But again, tipping the guys will increase your chances of a favorable outcome!!

Yezzzir, thats why I do it!

Penn999 · 11-18-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shortseller

The "homeland" wirelessly reading your thoughts, no doubt!

e

But in all seriousness, once BMW opens a PUMA case file, they send all the DME info back to BMW Germany, at this point the complete car history is scrutinized.

Thanks for confirming my point.

David1, seems like you need to do a little more reading before you open your mouth...or if you dont like to read, just go ask a manager at BMW. But dont comment on something you dont know about, it makes you look ignorant.

shortseller · 11-18-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Penn999

Thanks for confirming my point.

David1, seems like you need to do a little more reading before you open your mouth...or if you dont like to read, just go ask a manager at BMW. But dont comment on something you dont know about, it makes you look ignorant.

In all fairness David1, I think you missed his point.

Penn999 · 11-18-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shortseller

In all fairness to David1, I think you missed his point.

I missed his point? "Nope, what are you drinking?" this point? I know the magnum moss act, I know how it is SUPPOSED to work, I am looking for actual customer experience.

shortseller · 11-18-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Penn999

I missed his point? "Nope, what are you drinking?" this point? I know the magnum moss act, I know how it is SUPPOSED to work, I am looking for actual customer experience.

I meant he missed yours, but it read wrong after I posted. In any event, "respect" was my main point, for all that offer ideas and help.

David1 · 11-18-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Penn999

I missed his point? "Nope, what are you drinking?" this point? I know the magnum moss act, I know how it is SUPPOSED to work, I am looking for actual customer experience.

That act only applies to repairs done to oem specs and not modifications. As soon as you mod away from that, that act is out the window. And my point was that the car does not transmit anything when you through a code to the fatherland. We all know when they hook the car up to ISIS that data is transmitted to BMW in NJ. The ISIS head that plugs into your car is wireless or it can be wired to the server in the drealership that is in communication with BMW when needeed. And if your car is at the dealer while a field rep is there and sees your car there with all the mods he can void your warranty no matter how much you tip who you think is your buddy at the dealership since when push comes to shove, they will not side with you.

Penn999 · 11-18-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by David1

That act only applies to repairs done to oem specs and not modifications. As soon as you mod away from that, that act is out the window. And my point was that the car does not transmit anything when you through a code to the fatherland. We all know when they hook the car up to ISIS that data is transmitted to BMW in NJ. The ISIS head that plugs into your car is wireless or it can be wired to the server in the drealership that is in communication with BMW when needeed. And if your car is at the dealer while a field rep is there and sees your car there with all the mods he can void your warranty no matter how much you tip who you think is your buddy at the dealership since when push comes to shove, they will not side with you.

Wrong, they(BMW) has to PROVE beyond at doubt that your performance mod DIRECTLY caused the damage of the warranty claim. The magnum moss act is on the consumers side. And if you did a little more research Im sure that what shortseller and I are telling you is correct. THE DME RECORDS EVERYTHING, you cant delete what written and logged on the DME. the dme communicates DIRECTLY with Germany. And you are wrong again about the field rep coming in. Unless you are going in for warranty work, they cant do shit, even if you have a built motor. Lets say I am in there changing my oil like I normally do every 3-4k miles and the field rep comes and sees my car, he cant do SHIT! They can only void your warranty if you are getting warranty work done. You are correct on one front, the tech will lose his job if he warranties my car and does warranty work and I have mods that caused the part to fail. Other than that I can do whatever the hell I want to the car.

BrianMN · 11-18-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Penn999

Wrong, they(BMW) has to PROVE beyond at doubt that your performance mod DIRECTLY caused the damage of the warranty claim. The magnum moss act is on the consumers side. And if you did a little more research Im sure that what shortseller and I are telling you is correct. THE DME RECORDS EVERYTHING, you cant delete what written and logged on the DME. the dme communicates DIRECTLY with Germany. And you are wrong again about the field rep coming in. Unless you are going in for warranty work, they cant do shit, even if you have a built motor. Lets say I am in there changing my oil like I normally do every 3-4k miles and the field rep comes and sees my car, he cant do SHIT! They can only void your warranty if you are getting warranty work done. You are correct on one front, the tech will lose his job if he warranties my car and does warranty work and I have mods that caused the part to fail. Other than that I can do whatever the hell I want to the car.

-Unfortunately, it seems that the responsibility to prove the modification didn't cause the damage is now on the consumers side. True, it should be on the manufacturer, but that's often now how it works out.

-The field rep can definitely make a note on your VIN, and if you do come in later for warranty work, even if stock, if they really wanted to they could void your warranty due to the previous note.

David1 · 11-18-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Penn999

Wrong, they(BMW) has to PROVE beyond at doubt that your performance mod DIRECTLY caused the damage of the warranty claim. The magnum moss act is on the consumers side. And if you did a little more research Im sure that what shortseller and I are telling you is correct. THE DME RECORDS EVERYTHING, you cant delete what written and logged on the DME. the dme communicates DIRECTLY with Germany. And you are wrong again about the field rep coming in. Unless you are going in for warranty work, they cant do shit, even if you have a built motor. Lets say I am in there changing my oil like I normally do every 3-4k miles and the field rep comes and sees my car, he cant do SHIT! They can only void your warranty if you are getting warranty work done. You are correct on one front, the tech will lose his job if he warranties my car and does warranty work and I have mods that caused the part to fail. Other than that I can do whatever the hell I want to the car.

When you get older and wiser you will learn. You have been listning to all the BS your techs feed you. The only time data is sent to BMW is if it is needed to be transmitted to BMW for a PUMA case related to drivability. When you go in for routine service and they scope your car they do not transmit squat, period. Now if they find any sort of codes, they log it your records even normal codes. Also, you don't have enough money to fight BMW and you have to prove what you did did not do any harm. Also, in your warranty booklet it specifically states than any modification to vehical may void the warranty. This clause is there to nullify the Magnuson Warranty act and place the burdon on you.

Penn999 · 11-18-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by David1

When you get older and wiser you will learn. You have been listning to all the BS your techs feed you. The only time data is sent to BMW is if it is needed to be transmitted to BMW for a PUMA case related to drivability. When you go in for routine service and they scope your car they do not transmit squat, period. Now if they find any sort of codes, they log it your records even normal codes. Also, you don't have enough money to fight BMW and you have to prove what you did did not do any harm. Also, in your warranty booklet it specifically states than any modification to vehical may void the warranty. This clause is there to nullify the Magnuson Warranty act and place the burdon on you.

I agree with you on some of that, but you don't know my financial situation and what good lawyer buddies I have. The age thing is total bullshit, comprehension of subject matter has no age requirement, that was a copout. And btw, my tech is one of my good friends, so whatever "bs" he tells me, im pretty positive that its for my own good. We can go back and forth all day, I understand what ur sayin, and frankly it was fun, but now its time to go work on the car, have a good day bro. Good chattin with you.

shortseller · 11-18-2010, 06:02 PM

To date, has anyone on this sight had their warranty voided because of mods? Does anyone have any info from other sites that make such a claim?

I personally think it too big of a gamble to make, to rely on BMW to make the call if you walk in with a modded vehicle(even if removed before going in, as they leave footprints). Best to go in stock and even then nothing is a layup with BMW Corporate. Just my humble, but others may/will not have a problem taking the risk but to them I will say, have you seen some of these large ticket repair costs related to the fuel delivery system, eg turbos for one! Unless you do DIY, it's too expensive!

As point of reference - The warranty booklet does specifically state than any modification to vehicle may void the warranty. The word "may" may have wiggle room but again, the losses($$$) outweighs the benefits(extra fun), for me!

Penn999 · 11-18-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shortseller

To date, has anyone on this sight had their warranty voided because of mods? Does anyone have any info from other sites that make such a claim?

I personally think it too big of a gamble to make, to rely on BMW to make the call if you walk in with a modded vehicle(even if removed before going in, as they leave footprints). Best to go in stock and even then nothing is a layup with BMW Corporate. Just my humble, but others may/will not have a problem taking the risk but to them I will say, have you seen some of these large ticket repair costs related to the fuel delivery system, eg turbos for one! Unless you do DIY, it's too expensive!

As point of reference - The warranty booklet does specifically state than any modification to vehicle may void the warranty. The word "may" may have wiggle room but again, the losses($$$) outweighs the benefits(extra fun), for me!

Well not me, its my car afterall. To hell with the regular warranty anyway, I will be modding all that stuff anyway, all I want 2 keep is that hpfp warranty. Im so tired of bmw trying to tell me what and what not to do with my car

andrew20195 · 11-18-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Penn999

THE DME RECORDS EVERYTHING, you cant delete what written and logged on the DME. the dme communicates DIRECTLY with Germany.

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Originally Posted by David1

The only time data is sent to BMW is if it is needed to be transmitted to BMW for a PUMA case related to drivability. When you go in for routine service and they scope your car they do not transmit squat, period. Now if they find any sort of codes, they log it your records even normal codes.

It is entirely possible that the DME, perhaps in conjunction with BMW Assist or the navigation system, could transmit data as soon as any code is set. I don't know enough about BMW systems to say for sure, but Acura vehicles with AcuraLink can remotely transmit codes to Honda. It makes use of the same systems that allow owners to remotely schedule service appointments, which is why it could be integrated with BMW Assist.

Alchem · 11-18-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Penn999

Well not me, its my car afterall. To hell with the regular warranty anyway, I will be modding all that stuff anyway, all I want 2 keep is that hpfp warranty. Im so tired of bmw trying to tell me what and what not to do with my car

oh you can do what ever you want to your car. BMW is not stopping you in anyway....as long as you don't ask them to pay for repairs.

335e92tx · 11-18-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shortseller

To date, has anyone on this sight had their warranty voided because of mods? Does anyone have any info from other sites that make such a claim?

Yes. http://www.e90post.com/forums/member.php?u=51331

Readon mcduff - http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240142

Most dealers will tell you to remove the mods and it can be brought back in for repair.

Penn999 · 11-18-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew20195

It is entirely possible that the DME, perhaps in conjunction with BMW Assist or the navigation system, could transmit data as soon as any code is set. I don't know enough about BMW systems to say for sure, but Acura vehicles with AcuraLink can remotely transmit codes to Honda. It makes use of the same systems that allow owners to remotely schedule service appointments, which is why it could be integrated with BMW Assist.

Do some reading....like I said. I did the hard work for ya. Here is the link.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7426209

Here is the post that I trust, "The DME does store code data. Even after it has been cleared by a diagnostic tool. At this point, this data is not read at the dealership level. But it can be read by BMW AG when your car is hooked up to the network. It appears that this data is only read when they have a reason to read it (expensive warranty work).

Shiv"

Happy Tuning!

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