[whosagrubb]

Originally Posted by tony20009

I'm with you. A stopped car with the motor off, and the tranny in anything other than neutral, should not roll anywhere, regardless the kind of car it is.

Not true.. If the weight and incline are sufficient, gravity will be enough to turn the motor over if the car is left in gear and the parking brake is not applied. My driveway is a slight incline, I can confirm that all three of my manual transmission cars: 328i, Saab Viggen and Saab model 95, will roll if left in the driveway without the parking brake.

[ErvGotti]

This is a funny post, any basic driving school and I mean basic (drivers ed)and state driver's test will ding you if you dont use the hand brake when you park be it auto or manual.

Should gearing be enough? IMO yes in 1st or reverse. Any higher gearing and you run into the chance of weight and gravity overcoming the compression of the engine, but all of this would basically have been avoided if one would just use the hand brake as taught in driver's ed. I dont mean to sound like a prick, but I always use my hand brake in whatever tranny I drive.

[timmahh]

The safety concern would be the person not using an e-brake, not a car that rolls whilst in gear.

Think of it this way, if you park it in a manner that when running would make the car move, i.e. In gear no e-brake, then you should expect such outcomes can and will happen.

Autos have park so they can get away with no e-brake, a heavy car can't - ESP with AWD you have twice as many traction points trying to turn the drive train and thus the engine. Low compression doesn't help either...

[timmahh]

Originally Posted by timmahh

Autos have park so they can get away with no e-brake, a manual car can't - ESP with AWD you have twice as many traction points trying to turn the drive train and thus the engine. Low compression doesn't help either...

Meant manual.. Damn phone!

[Bakeme521]

Originally Posted by spiike32

I did this as a test on a decline and in 2nd my car started to slowly roll. In first it was fine. Lesson learned... use first.

Hey look my thought have proof now

[samej]

We used to jump start cars by pushing them while in in neutral and then popping the clutch in 2nd gear. So why would I expect 2nd gear to hold my car on an incline?

[Orient330iNYC]

this is normal. the weight of the car and the gearing in 2nd gear is overwhelming the compression of the engine. my S60R and 07 335i both did this when brand new. any gear higher than 1st or R, and the car would roll down the incline in a herky-jerky fashion as the compression was overwhelmed. use 1st gear or R, and set the parking brake.

[John 070]

I think people on this thread are correct. I put my car in 6th, and pushed it down a steep incline. It started to roll and eventually crashed into the back of a minivan. After it gets fixed at the shop, I will use 1 or R and the parking brake, like everyone has been saying since the manual transmission was invented.

[m@rco]

Originally Posted by TheStigsTwin

This post was relatively harmless and ignorable until I read this halfbaked bit of born only in the US insanity. What, exactly are you calling all your safety organizations about? I mean seriously, give me a bleeping break. Do we have to shout about every little inane thing to any legal office we can in this country? "Dear congressman: I was too bloody stupid to put my parking brake on while parked on an incline and for some reason I also left the car in second gear. My cat was sadly crushed by BMW's ignorance in not predicting this tragic series of events. I demand that you pursue legal action against the company to prevent yet another occurance of this debacle! I suggest another slew of government sponsored safety equipment to increase the weight of their cars over 4000pounds in order to try and prevent me and my fat American behind from hurting myself by doing something completely and insanely stupid. Sincerely a voter."
I figure that is how your little letter should go.

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[Thud]

Call BMW and tell them your car needs more friction.

[John 070]

Originally Posted by TheStigsTwin

This post was relatively harmless and ignorable until I read this halfbaked bit of born only in the US insanity. What, exactly are you calling all your safety organizations about? I mean seriously, give me a bleeping break. Do we have to shout about every little inane thing to any legal office we can in this country? "Dear congressman: I was too bloody stupid to put my parking brake on while parked on an incline and for some reason I also left the car in second gear. My cat was sadly crushed by BMW's ignorance in not predicting this tragic series of events. I demand that you pursue legal action against the company to prevent yet another occurance of this debacle! I suggest another slew of government sponsored safety equipment to increase the weight of their cars over 4000pounds in order to try and prevent me and my fat American behind from hurting myself by doing something completely and insanely stupid. Sincerely a voter."
I figure that is how your little letter should go.

You do realize that we are a society here where a person can pour hot coffee in their lap, burn themselves, sue the mega-corp that sold them the coffee, and be awarded a couple million? It's Liebeck v. McDonalds. (Actually if you study the case, McDonalds was pretty reluctant to pay out anything, every step of the way. Not even the true medical costs of 11k).

Similar attempts in the UK have failed, such as Bogle v. McDonalds. And we base our legal system on the British one.

Anyway, by understanding how nuisance claims turn into real $$$, you can begin to understand the mentality how if your car can't start, get a lawyer. If your car rolls a micrometer futher than it should, get a lawyer.

[I335]

In my view, those who are concerned about this are being over sensitive as it's not an unusual phenomenon AND you're not parking the car correctly. While today's cars have lots of safety features built in that doesn't eliminate the need for owner/operator responsibility. I have a gun with a very sensitive trigger. One day I disengaged the safety, slammed the gun down on the table, the gun went off and the dog was shot. As such, I figured the right thing to do is sue the gun manufacturer because even though I misused it, it shouldn't have gone off and shot the dog. Yes, a fictitious story but it's exactly the same thing. The point is that WE need to take responsibility for the operation of potentially dangerous "things" (machines, cars, guns, etc.), WE need to take responsibility to learn how to operate them correctly, and WE need to take responsibility when we don't operate them correctly and deal with the consequences of doing so. If the engine blew up while you were driving the car normally, that would be a different story and you'd have a good case, but when you use the car improperly, you don't have a case at all in my view.

OP, I respect your concern but again, I think you're being WAY over sensitive about this, especially given that YOU are not using the machine properly. And you're not going to drive the car again until you get this worked out? Why, because you're planning to go to a busy, hilly area to park your car incorrectly? What exactly are you afraid of? Don't you think you'd be OK to park your car in 1st or reverse, with the parking brake fully engaged, and the wheels turned toward the curb?

And by the way, the N54 is not a low compression engine. I forget what the exact ratio is, but I believe it's somewhere around 9 or 10 to 1.

[TheStigsTwin]

Originally Posted by John 070

You do realize that we are a society here where a person can pour hot coffee in their lap, burn themselves, sue the mega-corp that sold them the coffee, and be awarded a couple million? It's Liebeck v. McDonalds. (Actually if you study the case, McDonalds was pretty reluctant to pay out anything, every step of the way. Not even the true medical costs of 11k).

Similar attempts in the UK have failed, such as Bogle v. McDonalds. And we base our legal system on the British one.

Anyway, by understanding how nuisance claims turn into real $$$, you can begin to understand the mentality how if your car can't start, get a lawyer. If your car rolls a micrometer futher than it should, get a lawyer.

I know, and it annoys the poop out of me. But, I am sorry for being too sarcastic in my response as well.

[ErvGotti]

Originally Posted by I335

And by the way, the N54 is not a low compression engine. I forget what the exact ratio is, but I believe it's somewhere around 9 or 10 to 1.

It's 10.2:1 but thats relatively low compared to other high performance engines like S54 or LS3 at 11:1 and F20C 11.7:1.

[I335]

Originally Posted by ErvGotti

It's 10.2:1 but thats relatively low compared to other high performance engines like S54 or LS3 at 11:1 and F20C 11.7:1.

Yes, but I think it's relatively high for a turbo engine, no?

[Tom K.]

Originally Posted by ErvGotti

It's 10.2:1 but thats relatively low compared to other high performance engines like S54 or LS3 at 11:1 and F20C 11.7:1.

Once the fluid coupling was welded shut, my '52 Dodge with 7:1 compression wouldn't roll in 2nd gear - until the rear main seal leaked oil all over the clutch. I think Bama335 has the right idea.

Tom

[ErvGotti]

Originally Posted by I335

Yes, but I think it's relatively high for a turbo engine, no?

Yup... I was actually surprised by this, I though it would have been closer to 9:1

Originally Posted by Tom K.

Once the fluid coupling was welded shut, my '52 Dodge with 7:1 compression wouldn't roll in 2nd gear - until the rear main seal leaked oil all over the clutch. I think Bama335 has the right idea.

Tom

Yeah but gearing ratios plays a good part in this too. Your dodge probably still had a tall enough ratio in 2nd to keep it in place also I bet your dodge also weighed a great deal less.

[danilloe90]

Ok so here is an update for all you pricks that were under the impression that I am an uneducated idiot when it comes to cars and driving in general.

On my way to the BMW dealership today the car threw a check engine light AKA a "fault code" any guesses on what it was????? Please take a guess! Misfire on multiple cylinders and lost of compression on multiple cylinders. The car now has a new home at BMW and I will be trading this lemon in for another 2007 they have available, luckily I was still under the "return for any reason 30 policy".

The techs are working on it tomorrow to find out the actual problem is (but I could really care less as I am not dealing with this thing ever again) I will post updates if they reach out to tell me what went on.

For those of you that were helpful, thank you!

For those of you that provided ridicule after the request not to provide ridicule, go F*** yourself!

[J02 335i]

Originally Posted by danilloe90

Ok so here is an update for all you pricks that were under the impression that I am an uneducated idiot when it comes to cars and driving in general.

On my way to the BMW dealership today the car threw a check engine light AKA a "fault code" any guesses on what it was????? Please take a guess! Misfire on multiple cylinders and lost of compression on multiple cylinders. The car now has a new home at BMW and I will be trading this lemon in for another 2007 they have available, luckily I was still under the "return for any reason 30 policy".

The techs are working on it tomorrow to find out the actual problem is (but I could really care less as I am not dealing with this thing ever again) I will post updates if they reach out to tell me what went on.

For those of you that were helpful, thank you!

For those of you that provided ridicule after the request not to provide ridicule, go F*** yourself!

So they did a compression test on it?

[Priority 1]

Originally Posted by J02 335i

So they did a compression test on it?

Yes they parked it on an incline in second gear and waited to see if it rolled anywhere!

[TheStigsTwin]

Originally Posted by danilloe90

Ok so here is an update for all you pricks that were under the impression that I am an uneducated idiot when it comes to cars and driving in general.

On my way to the BMW dealership today the car threw a check engine light AKA a "fault code" any guesses on what it was????? Please take a guess! Misfire on multiple cylinders and lost of compression on multiple cylinders. The car now has a new home at BMW and I will be trading this lemon in for another 2007 they have available, luckily I was still under the "return for any reason 30 policy".

The techs are working on it tomorrow to find out the actual problem is (but I could really care less as I am not dealing with this thing ever again) I will post updates if they reach out to tell me what went on.

For those of you that were helpful, thank you!

For those of you that provided ridicule after the request not to provide ridicule, go F*** yourself!

The service tech called, he wants to know why you've been rolling the car around on an incline in second gear.

[timmahh]

Originally Posted by danilloe90

Ok so here is an update for all you pricks that were under the impression that I am an uneducated idiot when it comes to cars and driving in general.

On my way to the BMW dealership today the car threw a check engine light AKA a "fault code" any guesses on what it was????? Please take a guess! Misfire on multiple cylinders and lost of compression on multiple cylinders. The car now has a new home at BMW and I will be trading this lemon in for another 2007 they have available, luckily I was still under the "return for any reason 30 policy".

The techs are working on it tomorrow to find out the actual problem is (but I could really care less as I am not dealing with this thing ever again) I will post updates if they reach out to tell me what went on.

For those of you that were helpful, thank you!

For those of you that provided ridicule after the request not to provide ridicule, go F*** yourself!

How long has your car been running like shit and rolling down hills?