[jimmy ny]

I had a 2004 clk 500 and a 2008 clk 550. Both were great cars. Now i have the 2011 M3. LOVE the M3. I would never bad mouth the benz. Paint was better as well as fit, finish and overall quality in the benz.

[Year's_End]

Imo the CLKs are a terrible example of Mercedes Benz quality. We had a CLK55 and I really didn't care for it...at all.

The ride was way too harsh. The steering was too heavy, too uncommunicative, and very indirect. The throttle tip in felt non-linear. The transmission was slow to respond, and slow to shift. The aluminum trim scratched more easily than the crap in my E92, and the seats were uncomfortable, despite being less supportive than the far more snug seats in our C63.

I will say that the brakes were superb. Mercedes has always has good brakes. And the exhaust. Loved the exhaust.

And the acceleration.

[Augenbrauezug]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

Imo the CLKs are a terrible example of Mercedes Benz quality. We had a CLK55 and I really didn't care for it...at all.

The ride was way too harsh. The steering was too heavy, too uncommunicative, and very indirect. The throttle tip in felt non-linear. The transmission was slow to respond, and slow to shift. The aluminum trim scratched more easily than the crap in my E92, and the seats were uncomfortable, despite being less supportive than the far more snug seats in our C63.

I will say that the brakes were superb. Mercedes has always has good brakes. And the exhaust. Loved the exhaust.

And the acceleration.

Everytime I see your sig I get a strong urge to throw an offer your way, don't refer to anything in it as crap! lol

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

Look Donovan, I'm giving you shit because you sound like a stuck up brand snob. I respect your right to have an opinion, I just think yours is ignorant.

I'm sure you can see the irony in calling him stuck up, but thinking your opinion is any more important.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

I'm sure you can see the irony in calling him stuck up, but thinking your opinion is any more important.

Apparently you didn't read my reasoning.

[donovan]

Originally Posted by stickypaws

As a long time BMW owner I used to have the same misguided perceptions about other brands. Being a complete fanboy only hurts yourself. You miss out on what's happening in the auto industry.

It's all about bias and perception and wearing blinders. You base your life on stereotypes? That's pretty sad. If you had a bad experience at a dealer (a reseller) but didn't investigate the product carefully and do some homework, then you only ended up hurting yourself and nobody else.

Just about every modern quality performance car built today has its merits. Because it doesn't fit your own (often misguided) perceptions doesn't mean it sucks. You need to grow up and realize what works for you means only something to you, and not necessarily the rest of the world.

fwiw, I thought I'd never be in a Merc until I bought a new E63 AMG. It's a great grocery getter and an all around perfect comfort travel car that ended up suiting me just fine. But I had already taken off the fanboy blinders.

How is your 63?

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

Apparently you didn't read my reasoning.

I guess you don't see it. Your original post was filled to the brim with subjective opinions.

I have no problem with people having/sharing opinions, but you took it a bit beyond courteous disagreement.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

I guess you don't see it. Your original post was filled to the brim with subjective opinions.

I have no problem with people having/sharing opinions, but don't name call people in their threads just because your opinion may differ.

The only part of my first post containing anything that could be considered an opinion was my disagreement with the interior being cheap.

The name calling might have been a bit much, but I don't show a lot of friendliness or respect to people that come off as fanyboys.

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by donovan

How is your 63?

It works for me.

It's a good car for my own personal needs as a large 4-door daily driver. Plus it's still relatively nimble for a heavyweight. The NA 6.2 V8 is smooth and civilized for everyday driving, and yet still plenty fun on the open back roads. Very planted on the freeway at high speeds and not tiring at all during longer drives. Comfortable, safe, roomy (+ big trunk), and autobahn fast. That's all I was looking for in this type of transportation. It's nothing more than that.

But I also have two other cars plus a weekend car; all were either built in Munich or Stuttgart.

No single car alone can really cover everything, imho. None are 100% perfect.

[persian54]

new cls is sexy

weird shifter though

[CSLE90]

I've been with bmw since the the e46 chassis came out and loved it. Still have my E46M3 coupe. I thought the e90 chassis would grow on me, but I would say a definite "no". I ended up with a late model C300 sport sedan. In my opinion, Mercedes is headed in the right direction with their designs. I've been looking at their E-classes too.

[donovan]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

The only part of my first post containing anything that could be considered an opinion was my disagreement with the interior being cheap.

The name calling might have been a bit much, but I don't show a lot of friendliness or respect to people that come off as fanyboys.

Fanboy please describe..seriously though, I have never been called a fanboy

[donovan]

Originally Posted by stickypaws

It works for me.

It's a good car for my own personal needs as a large 4-door daily driver. Plus it's still relatively nimble for a heavyweight. The NA 6.2 V8 is smooth and civilized for everyday driving, and yet still plenty fun on the open back roads. Very planted on the freeway at high speeds and not tiring at all during longer drives. Comfortable, safe, roomy (+ big trunk), and autobahn fast. That's all I was looking for in this type of transportation. It's nothing more than that.

But I also have two other cars plus a weekend car; all were either built in Munich or Stuttgart.

No single car alone can really cover everything, imho. None are 100% perfect.

Not going to lie, the C63 sounds pretty sick, , stop bringing the goodness out in me to day merc made something I like

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by donovan

Not going to lie, the C63 sounds pretty sick, , stop bringing the goodness out in me to day merc made something I like

You realize I'm talking about the E and not the C, right? I have an E63 not the C63. If I had been in the market for a small performance sedan I personally probably would have picked the M3 (or perhaps a S4) over the C63. The 6.2 V8 is a fantastic motor but I prefer it in their larger cars.

I like the E (and CLS) and S (and CL) Mercs, and not as much the smaller Mercs. Although the C Class is a very decent car with good build quality and reliability. If one is in the market for a 'normal' (non-performance) small car, the C Class is an excellent choice, imho.

[Augenbrauezug]

So as I started up my e92 m3 with the push start button, couldnt help me but noticed how I felt comfortable and sound and complete in it. Down to the sound of the window sliding up a but when you close the door; "sshhiffpt."

Today I went down to the Mercedes dealership, not for myself, never would I be caught dead at a mercedes dealership(did you notice how the second time I made mercedes a low cased m, thats how much I dislike them). A friend has just put the down payment on a 2011/12 Mercedes CLS with the AMG package. There was not one thing, not ONE thing that I liked on it. When I opened the door, it felt cheap, when I sat in it the drivers seat, no wait... I didn't sit in it, I merely peaked in because I wasn't happy being near it; nothing sparked me to say, "sure take my 80,000." I got bored at looking at the dealerships colors, black, white and grey. Apparently thats the main mercedes colors.

They also had the feeling as if everyone in the dealership was stuck up and had empty souls. Even the gate guard had the snobby look(maybe it was the color of my skin?), anyways the whole vibe mercedes benz is disgusting. Their other vehicles didnt compare and feel the same as BMW vehicles do. I have to say that mercedes was built for the snobby, selfish type with the need for people to see them and be self confident 100% of the day.

At the end of my trip all I can think of and tell my friend is, do what makes you happy man and get what you've always wanted, but he kept talking a lot about that v8 sound coming from my engine, I could tell he was a bit curious but still wanting that disgusting mercedes and its class of ignorance.

Originally Posted by donovan

Fanboy please describe..seriously though, I have never been called a fanboy

Do you need to be reminded of how you began this thread? I'd highlight something, which I think says, "Fanboy", but the entire thing screams fan boy. You even refused to capitalize the M in Mercedes, and then even mentioned it as a direct sign of disrespect. So what though. I'm a BMW fanboy, and can't see myself leaving the marque, I just appreciate most all cars. Or does that not make me a fanboy?

[vexx786]

Originally Posted by donovan

I must be in the wrong part of the forum This was my experience. Sorry to disturb your lovely Mercedes experiences.

you capitalized the M

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by donovan

Fanboy please describe..seriously though, I have never been called a fanboy

In my choice of wording I stated that you "came off sounding like a fanboy". I never called you one outright.

Originally Posted by Augenbrauezug

I'm a BMW fanboy, and can't see myself leaving the marque, I just appreciate most all cars. Or does that not make me a fanboy?

I'd consider that a brand loyalist. A fanboy is like a brand loyalist, only they put down other marques with little true reasoning to back up their claims to the point that it sounds snobbish.

imo

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by GhostRideTheWhip

So...How how is his original post not a fanboy/snob/uninformed comment? It fits all of your categories.

I don't know the guy well enough nor have I seen enough of his posts to call him a straight up fanboy.

Example of fanboy: http://www.e90post.com/forums/member.php?u=60338

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by stickypaws

It works for me.

Great statement.

Far to often on this site it seems that the kids are looking for some kind of approval from the majority on the car they drive....lol. They're just cars! Drive what makes you happy and worry about the important things in life.

No single car alone can really cover everything, imho. None are 100% perfect.

Again....good statement....but something that seems to get lost on this forum. Every car you name, someone will come up with multiple things that don't work for everybody.

Originally Posted by Augenbrauezug

Do you need to be reminded of how you began this thread? I'd highlight something, which I think says, "Fanboy", but the entire thing screams fan boy. You even refused to capitalize the M in Mercedes, and then even mentioned it as a direct sign of disrespect. So what though. I'm a BMW fanboy, and can't see myself leaving the marque, I just appreciate most all cars. Or does that not make me a fanboy?

+1

Can't really think of anything that screams fanboy more than the OP or the several initial responses that followed.

[UltimateBMW]

The fanboy argument and debate that inherently follows is tired. You are on a BMW forum, there will be fanboys, loyalists, koolaid sippers, etc.

Save yourself the headache and just skip over those posts. General forum or not, it's still part of the Bimmerpost family and thus not without a tinge of bias.

[BlackLemon]

I've owned both Mercedes Benz and BMW, both dealerships are snobby until you purchase. I currently own a jaguar xfr, I have to say best car I have ever owned, and the service is bar none way better the BMW and Mercedes combined.

Both Mercedes and BMW make great cars for the right buyers, you may think I'm crazy but I'd never buy an m3.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by BlackLemon

I've owned both Mercedes Benz and BMW, both dealerships are snobby until you purchase. I currently own a jaguar xfr, I have to say best car I have ever owned, and the service is bar none way better the BMW and Mercedes combined.

Both Mercedes and BMW make great cars for the right buyers, you may think I'm crazy but I'd never buy an m3.

This is a perfect example of why I can't relate dealerships to the brands associated with them. The Jaguar dealer that's adjacent to my local Benz dealer is filled with the worst people I've dealt with.

I've only found one single dealership where everyone has been nothing but friendly: Ferman BMW, which I will honestly drive the extra 30 mins past my local BMW dealership (Bert Smith) to go to just because the sales consultants are friendly and genuinely interested in cars and BMWs.