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      03-20-2007, 07:25 PM   #23
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Another option would be kinesis. Extremely high quality and light as well.
I've heard that Finsk is also good for tracking racing
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Thanks for all the input thus far everyone. Keep it coming!

Good lord there are so many options and such wide price ranges. I know this is supposed to be fun (and it is) but it's kinda stressful too! I just can't decide.

I'm sure I've annoyed some of our sponsoring vendors too with all my inquiries but oh well.

It sounds like HRE isn't that great of an option compared to BBS and DPE. At this point I'm going with DPE if I decide to spend that kind of money, otherwise I may opt for the CHs or the CKs.

Anyone know anything about the Air II CKs or the RE? Do they make them in 19"?
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Thanks for all the input thus far everyone. Keep it coming!

Good lord there are so many options and such wide price ranges. I know this is supposed to be fun (and it is) but it's kinda stressful too! I just can't decide.

I'm sure I've annoyed some of our sponsoring vendors too with all my inquiries but oh well.

It sounds like HRE isn't that great of an option compared to BBS and DPE. At this point I'm going with DPE if I decide to spend that kind of money, otherwise I may opt for the CHs or the CKs.

Anyone know anything about the Air II CKs or the RE? Do they make them in 19"?

To make it easier for you, when it comes to manufacturing forged quality, you can lump HRE/DPE/Iforged into the same catergory, leaning more towards the look. On the otherhand, if you want the highest forged quality compliant to TUV/JWC/VIA certification standard, then you can choose from BBS/Works/Volks forged, more known for racing history, quality and the look is not too shabby too
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Ok but is it even worth it to go with one of the cheaper BBS options like the CH or the CK?

I'm kinda diggin the CH...
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      03-20-2007, 08:55 PM   #27
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Ok but is it even worth it to go with one of the cheaper BBS options like the CH or the CK?

I'm kinda diggin the CH...
If you're set on getting forged then no, otherwise CH is a very well-made cast wheel, using their flow-forming process (better then conventional gavity cast cast)


Technical Advantage - Flow Forming




Flow Forming is a production procedure that turns the wheel (or rim section) over a special mandrel and three hydraulic rollers using tremendous pressure. The pressure and turning then force the rim area to form against the mandrel, creating the shape and width of the rim. During Flow Forming, the rim actually "flows” down to create the full rim width.


Less weight is key to record-breaking speed.



Why is Flow Forming such a big deal? Because during Flow Forming, pressure applied to the cast rim actually changes its mechanical properties, so its strength and impact values become similar to those of a forged rim. That translates to up to 15% less weight when compared to a standard cast wheel.
BBS currently uses Flow Forming in the production of CH and RC one-piece wheels, and for the rim sections of the RXII, RKII, RSII, and RWII multi-piece wheels. You can read more about our road wheel specifications on the Descriptions and Photos page.
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Thanks for all the input so far. Can someone clarify for me whether it's better that a wheel is 2-3 pieces or 1 piece?

I really like BBS wheels. I had fully planned to go with them. But it seems like a lot of the SoCal members have the CH so I kind of wanted something different. The RGR is where I'm probably going to go if I go with BBS.

I've been looking at some DPE wheels at JLevi's site and they look really good. I just wish more of them had prices on them so I know what I'm looking at.

wyrm11:

You have given yourself some good options. Much of what has been said by many of the members is true.

Remember:
  • keep it lightweight...make sure if it's a multi-piece wheel that the multiple pieces are all forged like on the RS-GT's
  • get the right size...the wrong offset and width can look VERY different on the same car.
  • Get what makes you happy...nuff said

Not sure on the full answer for the reasoning behind a multi-piece wheel other than the ability to get more creative aesthetics...someone on this forum will know...

I am biased, so take this with a grain of salt; but ever since my first set of 3-piece mesh back in '90, BBS to me, has been synonymous with: Porsche... ///M...racing...quality...

Just in case you haven't seen the RG-R and the RS-GT next to each other... they're actually two totally different wheels (mesh design, centerpiece area, lip, weight, etc... I thought you had asked what the difference was btwn the two...


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RS-GT weigh only 22 lbs on a 19x9.5



...yeah, I'm biased

GOOD LUCK and make sure to post pics when it's set up...
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      03-21-2007, 01:16 AM   #29
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Aww, friggin OC Kid has to come in here with his shiny, brand spankin new RS-GTs, looking all aggressive and such...damn you!!!

I'm still torn. I'm thinking that if I go with a forged wheel I'm going with DPE since they're custom made and about the same as the upper end BBS wheels.

But while I can afford those higher end wheels, I'm not sure I can justify paying for them right now. Especially when some nice CHs are less than half the price of some of the other wheels I'm looking at.

So what do you guys think? Spring for DPEs or go with the CH/CKs?

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Kinesis is a GREAT brand...sadly they got bought out by Lexani who has RUINED the wheel company that was so great. Again it all depends on what you are looking for. Lightweight? Forged? Custom? etc
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Aww, friggin OC Kid has to come in here with his shiny, brand spankin new RS-GTs, looking all aggressive and such...damn you!!!

I'm still torn. I'm thinking that if I go with a forged wheel I'm going with DPE since they're custom made and about the same as the upper end BBS wheels.

But while I can afford those higher end wheels, I'm not sure I can justify paying for them right now. Especially when some nice CHs are less than half the price of some of the other wheels I'm looking at.

So what do you guys think? Spring for DPEs or go with the CH/CKs?

wyrm11: I'm just trying to help...
Don't forget the 3rd bullet point from my last.

Also, some advice: Whenever I am torn on the money factor I look at the difference in cost and then ask myself; How much did you spend at the club/bar last week? (blowing $300+ can happen very quickly) If the per wheel difference can be broken down by "rounds at the bar"...it becomes easier for me to "justify" ...works for me everytime... {"...yeah those were only a few nights of goin' out extra..."}

Good Luck Bro.
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^ Haha I know OC kid. I appreciate the advice and all the advice of others too. I had no idea that it would be so hard to choose some new shoes! Especially since the decision of which car to buy was so easy for me.

Some of our supporting vendors here have given me some really great quotes. But I'm still having a hard time rationalizing the money I'm spending on rims after all I've spent on the car already. Again, it's not like I can't afford it...more like it's not really a smart way to spend money. We all have to set limits right?

Dude...$300+ a night at the bar? I'm not quite the baller you are haha.
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DPE's are not cheap...
cheaper than HRE.
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      03-21-2007, 01:41 PM   #34
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Haha what do you think Long? DPEs or just go with the more affordable BBS like the CH or CK?

Maybe I shouldn't be asking the Mod King for advice...haha...
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Haha what do you think Long? DPEs or just go with the more affordable BBS like the CH or CK?

Maybe I shouldn't be asking the Mod King for advice...haha...
all up to you. what do you like???
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Here's a question that might help me make a decision. What about resale value of the rims? If I decide at some point to sell the rims and get something else, will the DPEs have any resale value given the fact that they're custom made?

I'd imagine the BBS wheels have some really decent resale value since they're highly respected. Will the DPEs take a big hit?
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...As far as I know, Volks forged wheels meet JWL and JWL +R standard, I can guranteed HRE/DPE/iforged do not meet the JWL +R standard. DPE/HRE or Iforged are more in the boutique wheel category and have a nice look to most of them.

A couple of stickers have come off my rims during washing.

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Does anyone know of the BBS Air II CK or the BBS RE comes in 19"?
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I went over my budget and got the RS-Gt's and do not regret it. I feel I would also have been very happy with the Chs. If I'm not mistaken the RGRs do not come in staggered with compatible offsets.

My advice is take your time and get what you want. A year from now you won't be so concerned with the cost as whether you are happy with your choice. I like my RS-Gts more now than when I first purchased them.
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A couple of stickers have come off my rims during washing.

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man, i still gotta see your wheels in person!!
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I went over my budget and got the RS-Gt's and do not regret it. I feel I would also have been very happy with the Chs. If I'm not mistaken the RGRs do not come in staggered with compatible offsets.

My advice is take your time and get what you want. A year from now you won't be so concerned with the cost as whether you are happy with your choice. I like my RS-Gts more now than when I first purchased them.
Wrong, RGR does come in Staggered fitment with 19X10 25mm offset in the back. Will not rub if you go 255 tires or 265 skinnier sidwall Toyo/Falken/Nitto and a little bit more aggressive negative camber (2.0) or a good fender roll will cure the problem. If you lower it too much, it'll only rub slighty with 265/275 with full load in the back and rubbing only on the plastic lining (which will wear off from the rubbing) and not the actual fenders. RGR and RS-GT are similar, both have their own advantages and disadvantages. If you're concern with paying a slighty cheaper price and slighty lower weight, then RGR is the sure winner. If you are set on 2 pcs wheel with diamond finish lip (nice and not as high maintance as polish lip) and willing to pay a bit more, the RS-GT hits the sweet spot. Also, the 19X9.5 25mm offset in the back on the RS-GT might be better if you want to go 265 without fender roll.
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Can someone please answer my question about the resale value of DPEs?

I'm concerned that given that they are custom fitted to your car, that I won't be able to sell them for a good price later on if I decide to go with something else.

I'm basically going back and forth between BBS CH or one of the DPEs (I'm leaning towards the GT7 but also considering the S5 and S15). I just took delivery of my car this past weekend and the wheels are all I can think about!

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woah wait what? is that/has that affecting the end product (kinesis wheels) at all?
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