Dealer Calls and Says "Did you modify the cars Engine Control Unit?"..re:fuel Pump

edgarj · 04-04-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by blue335

my car was produced 01/07 and have 6k miles on it and it is working fine....the pre nov 06 pumps are coming in all the time with long start complaints

01/07 and you're already at 6k.... wow. I feel better now about my honeymoon mileage.

blue335 · 04-04-2007, 02:41 AM

100mile commute every day!!! hahah go thing i got a sick employee discount!

CASHBY · 04-04-2007, 12:11 PM

ohwell

KL2DC · 04-04-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by edgarj

And why would they call the owner if they suspected ECU modding when they can check that in house so easilly (if traditional reflash is suspected)? I'm guessing that they checked the ECU and when that came back as stock, they went fishing for a confession.

I agree...if there is any problem in that area, a code would've been generated the moment the OP gave his keys to the SA.

mesier1111 · 04-04-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by itsbrokeagain

wow your dealer actually pokes that far into your car? What a bunch of losers.

We have many an M3 or M5 come in with work done to them, exhaust and all. Bald rear tires is the norm lol. We dont say a word, just do the work and off they go, another satisfied customer.

We did have this one repeat idiot with a red M3 that always left his SMG in the hardest, fastest shift level (all the way up), and never let up on the car...always beat the ever living crap out of it. Routinely taking the car to Atlantic City twice a week, speeds over 100+ for extended time. His excuse for doing so was 'its a sports car, so I should be able to drive it all the time like sports car, right?'

We replaced the rear end twice in his car, it was clunking so bad from the car powershifting all over town and on the highway. The third time he had to pay for it. After forking $1700 for a rear end over, hes quite nice to it now.

HOLY CRAP

Proving once again that spending power does not = brain power.

radgator1 · 04-04-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blue335

should have brought it to me in glendale!!! i would have put a pump in no prob!!!

Can you get me an Air-Oil cooler? I'm not that far from Glendale

scb · 04-04-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

They were just asking, and there is nothing on the car for them to prove me wrong.

yet your signature here says you have PROcede

lkraven · 04-04-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

Im going to hear from them today.

Honestly i think they are just assuming that I had something done, because of the other mods that are on the car....exhaust, suspension, and drag radials

However the Tech did compliment me on my black out grills.

Im not worried..... They were just asking, and there is nothing on the car for them to prove me wrong.

Maybe they took a joyride in your hot ride and said to themselves, "Whoa, this thing kicks ass... I want to do this to MY car!"

They're just looking for pointers!

CASHBY · 04-04-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scott brown

yet your signature here says you have PROcede

NO It doesnt?

CASHBY · 04-04-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lkraven

Maybe they took a joyride in your hot ride and said to themselves, "Whoa, this thing kicks ass... I want to do this to MY car!"

They're just looking for pointers!

But there is no PROcede in the car.

DanMardik · 04-04-2007, 01:44 PM

because of this post, i will never take it my car in to Irvine BMW.

scb · 04-04-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

NO It doesnt?

not anymore

ATG · 04-04-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CEA 3

But there is no PROcede in the car.

very good answer. and you can't argue it's not true.

bimport · 04-04-2007, 02:07 PM

CEA 3 give me a break. You modify your ECU and think BMW should replace any related part that goes bad? So if you engine blows you will just remove your PROcede and expect BMW to give you a new engine? You modified your car, you voided your warranty. Take some responsibility for your actions instead of lying about it.

About not having a PROcede...

CASHBY · 04-04-2007, 02:11 PM

photoshoper

bimport · 04-04-2007, 02:20 PM

I have no doubt that fuel pumps are going bad on stock cars. I also have no doubt that adding an additional 60+ whp and 90+ wtq is going to cause more stress on the fuel pump.

The PROcede could have had nothing to do with your fuel pump going bad, but you modified your ECU and BMW has the right to deny a warranty claim that could have resulted from your modification.

CASHBY · 04-04-2007, 02:23 PM

no

lkraven · 04-04-2007, 02:24 PM

Are you an SA at Irvine BMW, Bimport?

Because you sure sound like one... the pumps in a certain time range have been shown to be DEFECTIVE. Exposing a defect in manufacturing because of increased fuel demands is still that: exposing a defect. It is not CREATING a defect.

sstarch1 · 04-04-2007, 02:25 PM

Bimport has valid points, but i think that with this issue in mind, it doesn apply.

CEA is not the only person with a defective fuel pump, out of the 100s maybe 1000s of them that are defective, less than 5% of those have aftermarket ECU mods that would even remotely be linked.

ganeil · 04-04-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bimport

CEA 3 give me a break. You modify your ECU and think BMW should replace any related part that goes bad? So if you engine blows you will just remove your PROcede and expect BMW to give you a new engine? You modified your car, you voided your warranty. Take some responsibility for your actions instead of lying about it.

About not having a PROcede...

+1

What happened to all you, "Ya gotta pay to play" people on the forum? If you did not think the PROcede was related to the fuel pump problem, why did you remove it? Because you wanted to have it both ways.

Be a man and pay to have your own fuel pump replaced and stop whining that you got caught.

lkraven · 04-04-2007, 02:34 PM

I agree. If the ECU had fried, then yeah, I could see their claim.

But to suggest a defective part would not have otherwise failed-- I don't see it. And then to blame it on the tires... jesus.

If this were true, we'd all have to wear those idiotic RFTs ad nauseum otherwise, if the car spontaneously ignites, it's probably because the tires were throwing fault codes...

bimport · 04-04-2007, 02:38 PM

Some people on this board will believe anything Shiv says. Do you mean to tell me that running 60+ whp and 90+ wtq requires no more fuel than stock. So if the PROcede was making 1000 hp there would be no greater strain on the fuel pump? Why do you think people have to upgrade their fuel pumps as they make more power?

How is the fuel pump not directly related to the car's ECU (PROcede)? The ECU controls the fuel pump.

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bimport Banned 0 Rep 48 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I have no doubt that fuel pumps are going bad on stock cars. I also have no doubt that adding an additional 60+ whp and 90+ wtq is going to cause more stress on the fuel pump. The PROcede could have had nothing to do with your fuel pump going bad, but you modified your ECU and BMW has the right to deny a warranty claim that could have resulted from your modification.
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lkraven Lieutenant 13 Rep 429 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal iTrader: (1)	Are you an SA at Irvine BMW, Bimport? Because you sure sound like one... the pumps in a certain time range have been shown to be DEFECTIVE. Exposing a defect in manufacturing because of increased fuel demands is still that: exposing a defect. It is not CREATING a defect.
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lkraven Lieutenant 13 Rep 429 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal iTrader: (1)	I agree. If the ECU had fried, then yeah, I could see their claim. But to suggest a defective part would not have otherwise failed-- I don't see it. And then to blame it on the tires... jesus. If this were true, we'd all have to wear those idiotic RFTs ad nauseum otherwise, if the car spontaneously ignites, it's probably because the tires were throwing fault codes...
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bimport Banned 0 Rep 48 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Some people on this board will believe anything Shiv says. Do you mean to tell me that running 60+ whp and 90+ wtq requires no more fuel than stock. So if the PROcede was making 1000 hp there would be no greater strain on the fuel pump? Why do you think people have to upgrade their fuel pumps as they make more power? How is the fuel pump not directly related to the car's ECU (PROcede)? The ECU controls the fuel pump.
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