[jpsimon]

Most users won't need to mess around with custom maps, but if you want the absolute most out of your car a custom map is best. Autotuning will work globally on-top of your custom map (as long as you have autotuning ON) so you get the best of both worlds.

Originally Posted by Aridk

Are you so far along with autotunning now that we won´t need this?


Link: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=553213

[SkySoldier]

Do want non beta version! Auto tuning was a great feature for safety and power.

[howiedds]

Weeeee I can't wait! My car went into limp mode with current auto-tune map....2d2e....

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by howiedds

Weeeee I can't wait! My car went into limp mode with current auto-tune map....2d2e....

The latest autotune map IIRC is 12-17. Is that what you are on?

6-14 and 7-11 doesnt have full autotune it is just read-only.

[interpol]

Originally Posted by SkySoldier

Do want non beta version! Auto tuning was a great feature for safety and power.

OK. You say that the AutoTune feature is great for safety, so you must know how it works. Can you please explain to me what the tune uses to determine its aggression level? Also, when and how often are boost/IC% adjusted?

[Aridk]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

Most users won't need to mess around with custom maps, but if you want the absolute most out of your car a custom map is best. Autotuning will work globally on-top of your custom map (as long as you have autotuning ON) so you get the best of both worlds.

Thought so as whell, but still don´t get it
Can se that it would aid in speeding up the autotuning progress, but I thought that autotuning would give max power over the whole revrange according to ones mods, you mean to tell me that autotuning just goes for max topend hp????

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by Aridk

Thought so as whell, but still don´t get it
Can se that it would aid in speeding up the autotuning progress, but I thought that autotuning would give max power over the whole revrange according to ones mods, you mean to tell me that autotuning just goes for max topend hp????

Custom tuning is for fine tuning things at a granular level. Autotuning on the other hand will work globally on top of that (across the board) based on your set aggression level... so this will keep things safe when it comes to weather/octane changes. For instance if you get a tank of really bad gas, the car will drop boost/timing across the board until the aggression level is met...

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Autotuning is a happy medium of boost and performance that is dynamic.

Custom tuning is designed for optimal performance in the given conditions.

For a daily driven car autotuning is great.

For max performance at the drag strip and to seek every last drop of power, custom tune.

[chrisw335i]

ok now that we have clearly described the difference in tuning, let the updating begin now!!! lol..im refreshing my email now shiv hahahaha

[RaihaX]

can't wait to get autotune back!

[Brey335i]

I'm glad shiv decided to limit this to those who have a lot of experience with autotuning from before. Makes for a more polished product

[caradd]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

The latest autotune map IIRC is 12-17. Is that what you are on?

6-14 and 7-11 doesnt have full autotune it is just read-only.

Hey Jeff,

What does that mean read-only?

This is the second go around with the Procede. I didn't realize the latest maps did not have auto tune.

[enrita]

Originally Posted by caradd

Hey Jeff,

What does that mean read-only?

This is the second go around with the Procede. I didn't realize the latest maps did not have auto tune.

Autotuning has not been enabled since the official 12-17 maps.

[interpol]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Autotuning is a happy medium of boost and performance that is dynamic.

Custom tuning is designed for optimal performance in the given conditions.

For a daily driven car autotuning is great.

For max performance at the drag strip and to seek every last drop of power, custom tune.

Jeff,

How does AutoTuning work? To make such bold statements, you surely must know the logic behind the feature.

You failed to answer mitheral67's questions about AutoTuning in the E90post thread of the year (Why Cobb over Procede?). Don't you think it's necessary to understand how something works before we install it on our cars? Shiv has spent a lot of time detailing other Procede features in the past; how come he's never posted a detailed explanation of AutoTuning yet?

I don't care about seeing logs of AutoTuning in action; I want to know how it works.

[dzenno]

interpol, you should really search first before making such claims...there's tons of info on autotuning on the forum along with a very detailed explanation of how it works by Shiv...

[interpol]

Originally Posted by dzenno

interpol, you should really search first before making such claims...there's tons of info on autotuning on the forum along with a very detailed explanation of how it works by Shiv...

Really? If you've read the "tons of info on AutoTuning" please let me know the following:

What determines the Aggression Level? Overview of the logic would be great as well.

When and how often does AutoTuning try to adjust boost/IC%?

Just two basic questions for now.

[SkySoldier]

Originally Posted by interpol

What determines the Aggression Level? Overview of the logic would be great as well.

When and how often does AutoTuning try to adjust boost/IC%?

Just two basic questions for now.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374704
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419045

[interpol]

Originally Posted by dzenno

interpol, you should really search first before making such claims...there's tons of info on autotuning on the forum along with a very detailed explanation of how it works by Shiv...

Over the course of the last few years, we both learned from Tuning 101 taught by Prof. Shiv at Vishnu U. that timing drops (aka knock events) are bad for the engine and should be avoided. Countless amounts of threads and heated debates centered around this topic.

So...

Let's assume that two cars with identical mods (Procede, dps, intake, fmic) have identical conservative settings on their Procede (15psi, 50% IC), except that one has AutoTuning turned on with an Aggression Level of 2.

Which car will have experience knock events in the same conditions (AutoTune or non-AutoTune)?

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by interpol

Really? If you've read the "tons of info on AutoTuning" please let me know the following:

What determines the Aggression Level? Overview of the logic would be great as well.

When and how often does AutoTuning try to adjust boost/IC%?

Just two basic questions for now.

Have you ever used the search button? It's really not hard to use

Shiv has been extra quiet in the current e90 ecosystem while he develops new products so others can't jump on his ideas. It seems as though autotuning has been reworked to some extent, and when it is finally released it will be explained. Until then you can take a gander at his explanation of how the old one worked

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by interpol

Let's assume that two cars with identical mods (Procede, dps, intake, fmic) have identical conservative settings on their Procede (15psi, 50% IC), except that one has AutoTuning turned on with an Aggression Level of 2.

Which car will have experience knock events in the same conditions (AutoTune or non-AutoTune)?

Let's assume the conditions get shitty for those settings (as in really hot, or both cars are filled up with shitty gas). The current aggression level of the autotune car will raise (because of timing dropouts, etc), autotune will then make things less aggressive (reduce boost, etc) until the target aggression level is met.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by interpol

Really? If you've read the "tons of info on AutoTuning" please let me know the following:

What determines the Aggression Level? Overview of the logic would be great as well.

When and how often does AutoTuning try to adjust boost/IC%?

Just two basic questions for now.

Aggression level was calculated by average knock retard (deviation of CAN DME timing from from the maximum timing advance curve). It was corrected for few things like IAT, throttle angle, etc,.

The Aggression level is calculated a bit differently and represents more of an actual "efficiency level". We all know that running ignition timing into low (or negative) levels indicate an inefficiently running engine. Whether it be from intention mapping due to running too high of boost pressures, the result of active knock retard, the result of a high IATs inducing an advance setpoint reduction. Now Aggression level looks at how efficiency the engine is actually running and adjust boost/timing corrections accordingly to keep it in a "happy" zone. The idea is to adjust boost/timing correction to the levels required to keep the engine running thermally efficient in all conditions. As for the algorithms we use to do this, that will remain undisclosed for obvious reasons.

Interpol-- I'm happy that you are enthusiastic about this subject. But there is no reason to get so confrontational about it. If you ask a question, you will likely get a response. But it may not always be within the time frame and in the depth that you wanted. But such is life.

Shiv

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by caradd

Hey Jeff,

What does that mean read-only?

This is the second go around with the Procede. I didn't realize the latest maps did not have auto tune.

Originally Posted by enrita

Autotuning has not been enabled since the official 12-17 maps.

This.

Originally Posted by interpol

Jeff,

How does AutoTuning work? To make such bold statements, you surely must know the logic behind the feature.

You failed to answer mitheral67's questions about AutoTuning in the E90post thread of the year (Why Cobb over Procede?). Don't you think it's necessary to understand how something works before we install it on our cars? Shiv has spent a lot of time detailing other Procede features in the past; how come he's never posted a detailed explanation of AutoTuning yet?

I don't care about seeing logs of AutoTuning in action; I want to know how it works.

Lots of hostility in your post. Perhaps you might want to contact the manufacturer directly. Autotuning's logic has been regurgitated for some time now since it started over a year or so ago. It's new logic has not been brought to the public for obvious reasons. BTW I dont fail at answering anyones post. I'm a vendor who sells all the major tunes including Cobb and PROcede, if the "tuner war" begins, I leave. Any questions asked to me can be easily asked to the respective manufacturers.

I'm glad your excited to learn but please leave your offensive and confrontational attitude for someone that has done something wrong to you. I certainly have done nothing to anyone.