[Kuch335]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

You'd think someone who worked for GM could spell Cobalt correctly

back then it was the cavalier

Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

Brand new Z06's don't go anywhere near 100k.

opps, guess thats the ZR1 .. which by the way gets you the exact same 'Cobalt' steering wheel

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

I dont think I'm buying a z06 cause of its interior.... If you want interior and a fast car you need to step up your game past the 100K mark and foreign cars only.

[BMWsky]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

I dont think I'm buying a z06 cause of its interior.... If you want interior and a fast car you need to step up your game past the 100K mark and foreign cars only.

True that. The Z06 packs a serious performance to price ratio and most are track monsters.

[Q4P]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

I dont think I'm buying a z06 cause of its interior.... If you want interior and a fast car you need to step up your game past the 100K mark and foreign cars only.

Well it depends on what people define as a fast car - for 75K you can have a fully loaded M3 with a beautiful and luxurious interior but the performance of that vehicle is nowhere in the league of a Z06.

[jb's335]

Good call OP, glad to see some guts around here to push the envelope. These other cars can make more power because they have larger turbos (or larger engines...). So what do we need to do? Hmmm...I will let you guess.

I don't car how big of a compressor wheel they can fit into our stock housings, the factory exhaust manifolds/turbos have to go. They will never make power up top, its just not what they were designed to do. If we want big top end then someone needs to go big turbo. I have really given the setup thought however do not have the funds to pay for the tuning.

If I knew tuning well I don't see why it would be this difficult to make a big twin turbo or single turbo kit. Twin GT28rs turbos would spool easily by 3500 and make power all the way to 7500 (or even 8 if you are ballsy). 700+ capability...please someone figure this out!! I want to see if this motor really is comparable to the 2JZ, all iron block or not. We still have steel sleeves...and someone could make a block guard for us. Shoot, B18's (honda DOHC motor) are fully open decked and can make 1000whp with enough boost. So can the N54!

[RnmEvo9]

Originally Posted by roadkillrob

There are so many better choices than a Z06 for the money (unless of course your divorced, 55 and can't get it up!)

Orly?!

I'd like to hear these choices. From a performance perspective, its extremely hard to beat the Z06 for the money.

[plague]

cheers. the n54 truly delivers. and if running out of breath up top does come to mind quickly, you could always consider upgrading your turbos. and unfortunately i feel the same with the GM discussion as some above have felt, always have. the interiors are chincey and the steering wheel would have to go specifically lol. then again, i threw an M tri stitched wheel in my 335 (which i love). i dont think i could drive one. i have an awful permanent stereotype of a redneck with a can of busch in his hand and deer antlers on the wall who runs a puppy mill outback for money on the side. he also listens to kid rock and possibly has a rotted out meth tooth or two. then again, there are stereotypes for almost anything right? maybe im just an asshole.. back on topic, the n54 is a pleasing motor.

[805beemer]

Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

Orly?!

I'd like to hear these choices. From a performance perspective, its extremely hard to beat the Z06 for the money.

How bout an Ariel Atom. Cheaper and faster than a z06 plus you get a free facelift every time you floor it

[plague]

Originally Posted by jb's335

Good call OP, glad to see some guts around here to push the envelope. These other cars can make more power because they have larger turbos (or larger engines...). So what do we need to do? Hmmm...I will let you guess.

I don't car how big of a compressor wheel they can fit into our stock housings, the factory exhaust manifolds/turbos have to go. They will never make power up top, its just not what they were designed to do. If we want big top end then someone needs to go big turbo. I have really given the setup thought however do not have the funds to pay for the tuning.

If I knew tuning well I don't see why it would be this difficult to make a big twin turbo or single turbo kit. Twin GT28rs turbos would spool easily by 3500 and make power all the way to 7500 (or even 8 if you are ballsy). 700+ capability...please someone figure this out!! I want to see if this motor really
is comparable to the 2JZ, all iron block or not. We still have steel sleeves...and someone could make a block guard for us. Shoot, B18's (honda DOHC motor) are fully open decked and can make 1000whp with enough boost. So can the N54!

ya man we all hear that. the n54 is like a modern day 2JZ just waiting to hatch. once fueling is ready by SOMEbody i hope to see this. right now HPF is really doing it, pics are up of the manifold and all which we've probably all seen and besides that, theres shiv and vishnu with their big turbo project apparently. my eyes are peeled.

[jb's335]

Originally Posted by plague

ya man we all hear that. the n54 is like a modern day 2JZ just waiting to hatch. once fueling is ready by SOMEbody i hope to see this. right now HPF is really doing it, pics are up of the manifold and all which we've probably all seen and besides that, theres shiv and vishnu with their big turbo project apparently. my eyes are peeled.

People are working on it...including myself

Prototypes (2ndary fuel rail on left, direct port methanol injection on the right):



Before you knock it I used JBweld. Which sounds ghetto I know but has been proven to work, especially with the composite IM's. I have seen DI cars make 1300whp with injectors in the plati...err composite manifolds using ultra high strength epoxies to hold in injector nozzles. I didn't want to tap the actual manifold for the threads for running methanol injectors so I used aluminum bungs with epoxy.

I'm gonna try the methanol first and still if can help us break the 600whp barrier on stock motor using nitrous (maybe one day big turbos)...pray I don't melt a piston which would put me SOL

But if that doesn't work then its on to the secondary injection manifold. Only thing keeping me back from doing that is that tuning and wiring is a bitch and I am not that great at it...so controlling secondary rails is kinda scary. I want to use an AEM FIC as a piggyback AND run the JB4 controlling everything else.

Should be make for an interesting few months in the N54 history

[Syndicategt]

^very nice! We need more people like you to help advance this platform. Imagine if we had just 50% of the Evo/STi/2JZ community how far along we'd be.

[J.Gats_M4]

I freaking love my N54

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by JodyJo

I freaking love my N54

+1 especially tuned with FBO..pure win/

[Haus_07]

Originally Posted by tibra1

+1 especially tuned with FBO..pure win/

+2....... I second that motion......

[plague]

Originally Posted by jb's335

People are working on it...including myself

Prototypes (2ndary fuel rail on left, direct port methanol injection on the right):



Before you knock it I used JBweld. Which sounds ghetto I know but has been proven to work, especially with the composite IM's. I have seen DI cars make 1300whp with injectors in the plati...err composite manifolds using ultra high strength epoxies to hold in injector nozzles. I didn't want to tap the actual manifold for the threads for running methanol injectors so I used aluminum bungs with epoxy.

I'm gonna try the methanol first and still if can help us break the 600whp barrier on stock motor using nitrous (maybe one day big turbos)...pray I don't melt a piston which would put me SOL

But if that doesn't work then its on to the secondary injection manifold. Only thing keeping me back from doing that is that tuning and wiring is a bitch and I am not that great at it...so controlling secondary rails is kinda scary. I want to use an AEM FIC as a piggyback AND run the JB4 controlling everything else.

Should be make for an interesting few months in the N54 history

oh wow. you sir, are the man. that is awesome. i hope you succeed in your project, youll be the n54 savior. have you made a thread pertaining to this that i missed?!?!?

[blackshan]

Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

Brand new Z06's don't go anywhere near 100k. Used ones with little mileage are much better bargain as well. Honestly that is the only NA car I would consider though and would prefer over a GTR as no manual transmissions are available for it.

Z06 are getting closer and closer to 100k every year when brand new! Especially with the z07 package! Gtr and z06 are good for the money but there is nothing like a Porsche turbo if u have the money!

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by blackshan

Z06 are getting closer and closer to 100k every year when brand new! Especially with the z07 package! Gtr and z06 are good for the money but there is nothing like a Porsche turbo if u have the money!

+1 definitly my next car.

[bmwm3redblack]

n54 to my mind is one of the best engines,in the world, (i mean in it's price range.)
it's gonna be legendary like supra's,and skyline's engines!!!
Love it!!!!!!!

[plague]

Originally Posted by bmwm3redblack

n54 to my mind is one of the best engines,in the world, (i mean in it's price range.)
it's gonna be legendary like supra's,and skyline's engines!!!
Love it!!!!!!!

i hope it establishes itself as so in within the next year.

[sear]

Originally Posted by blackshan

Z06 are getting closer and closer to 100k every year when brand new! Especially with the z07 package! Gtr and z06 are good for the money but there is nothing like a Porsche turbo if u have the money!

Agree with this^^^ for sure, but $/hp in a german platform its hard to compare what is possible with the N54. Most other german platforms will require 2-3x the $ for the same hp gains if not even more. Not to mention a quality competitive aftermarket for virtually any kind of aftermarket parts.

Says alot about the N54 too that you have to look to a 75-100k cars to get a step up

It definatley a good time to enjoy owning the N54

[Q4P]

If I was to step up I am still saying GTR; when they fall into the 45K range; I might hop over. Let's not forget the daily drive ability qualities of a Z06 suck. We are talking about a horrible interior and a 7.0L V8 that doesn't exactly get the best gas mileage plus the fact that the car is insanely loud. In addition, to truly get max performance out of a Z06; you need the Michelin Pilot Sport Cups which aren't exactly the best for all seasons... Once you go turbo; its difficult to go back to NA.

You also need to know how to drive a Z06; I can certainly say it's not for everyone, it's a very easy car to get in trouble with; the rear end is twitchy unlike any other car i've ever driven.

But pound for pound - the N54 does very well but it has its obvious limitations.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Questforpower

Well it depends on what people define as a fast car - for 75K you can have a fully loaded M3 with a beautiful and luxurious interior but the performance of that vehicle is nowhere in the league of a Z06.

M3 is slow. I know cause my car is faster then an M3 and its still slow (But I hear ya).

Fast is scary. (even a stock z06 will be "slow" eventually). But its true performer and great platform.

GTR is another great performer too and likely its on the list as well. I just dont want to be a "fanboy" and I prefer the raw power of vette and RWD vs the nannies of AWD taking all the fun away.

I like my BMW but realistically its not the right platform to begin with. Sure you can get good power from a tune and some basic bolt ons, but after that you playing catch up with anything else. Need a better suspension, LSD, fuel system is dodgy... no big power really. It's a limited platform. Whereas the other 2 performers are not as limited if at all except by your wallet. But then again what are we really comparing. My BMW was only 45K....so what should I expect out of a grocery getter? Heh.

I'd like to keep my BMW but I would need some serious parts coming out that start breaking 700WHP or more (reliably) before I would be satisfied. Even then it would be a huge investment and frankly I'm unsure if its worth the risk.