[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

[QUOTE=E93Blackhawk;10576822]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

There are plenty of options but the JB4 / WW combo is pretty strong. It makes as much or more power than anything else out there, is easier to use and install, and is less expensive to boot. Another nice plus is it doesn't require a special chargepipe so you can use any chargepipe you want. Even one with a BOV if you prefer. I'd love your business but I know BMS also has a dealer in the UK (JuiceUpTuning) so you might be able to just pick everything up locally to avoid shipping and customs fees.

The JB4 also has some pretty nifty steering wheel controls for map switching, enabling meth, and the sort. Two of the new options added not in this listing is a user adjustable automatic DTC off on startup and a user adjustable meth additive right in dash on menu 9.

Thanks for the extensive reply.

Was looking over BMS's meth kit with the JB4 too and tossing that up in the mix with PROcede's tune and their PWM Meth kit, only thing that held me back was that I have to get their CP and can't fit a BOV to it or use any other CP if i wanted to which is a shame.

I have a family member over there in the US so I can get all items shipped to her and she can send them over as a gift so I don't get charged, so don't worry I may still grab it all from you!

Happy to help.. Just shoot me a PM if and when you are ready to grab something. Here is a very nice chargepipe option for you to consider. It uses the OEM coupling system which is more secure than aftermarket clamps, has an integrated meth bung ready to go, and an exceptionally high quality TIAL BOV.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by E93Blackhawk

If anyone has any recommendations as to what meth/tune combo you would go for please let me know.

Ones I'm considering are:

PROcede's meth kit and their map

or ...

BMS meth kit and JB4 map

or ...

Snow Performance meth kit and a map (not sure which one would be suitable?)

If anyone has any recommendations tell me please.

Im planning to get RB Turbo's at some stage so would a custom map would be better here for that time?


Bit stuck for options,

You can custom tune any system for use with RB turbos. I know many JB4 customers running them with good results. The real problem with this platform has been getting enough fuel at those crazy power levels. Here are a few JB4 dynos from a customer testing the fueling limits.

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

You can custom tune any system for use with RB turbos. I know many JB4 customers running them with good results. The real problem with this platform has been getting enough fuel at those crazy power levels. Here are a few JB4 dynos from a customer testing the fueling limits.

Thanks bud, yeah I would have guessed you could technically pair up any custom tune for the RB's but which would would be most compatible which is the question


Thanks for your help also.

[OpenFlash]

OP-- Do yourself a favor and do your research. This involves a lot more than listening to people who sell or use these parts. If you indecisive between an Aquamist-based PWM system and a BMS/SP meth system, you haven't done your homework and are not basing your decision upon full information.

Also, the worse thing you can do is based your next step upon whether or not you can use the blow-off valve you want to use. This is the least important component of your system. If you are after max performance and max safety you can immediately rule out any tuning solution that can't actively add or subtract ignition advance based upon methanol flow. Only playing around with boost levels to satisfy on/off meth conditions is like playing checkers with only have the pieces.

And if you want to take your car to a tuner to make fine adjustments, only the Procede provides true load-RPM cell-by-cell mappability that your tuner will be familiar with (as apposed to somewhat arbitrary global adjustments).

Seriously, do your homework. Given that you are about to purchase the two biggest bang-for-the-buck components available for the n54 (tune and meth kit) ou are in the position to make a good decision or the best decision. There is quite a bit of difference between the two. You want FULL integration. Period.

Shiv

[themyst]

OP, also consider the fact the a meth map for flash-tuning by Cobb is inevitably coming. I would wait it out a few months before making any decisions.

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

OP-- Do yourself a favor and do your research. This involves a lot more than listening to people who sell or use these parts. If you indecisive between an Aquamist-based PWM system and a BMS/SP meth system, you haven't done your homework and are not basing your decision upon full information.

Also, the worse thing you can do is based your next step upon whether or not you can use the blow-off valve you want to use. This is the least important component of your system. If you are after max performance and max safety you can immediately rule out any tuning solution that can't actively add or subtract ignition advance based upon methanol flow. Only playing around with boost levels to satisfy on/off meth conditions is like playing checkers with only have the pieces.

And if you want to take your car to a tuner to make fine adjustments, only the Procede provides true load-RPM cell-by-cell mappability that your tuner will be familiar with (as apposed to somewhat arbitrary global adjustments).

Seriously, do your homework. Given that you are about to purchase the two biggest bang-for-the-buck components available for the n54 (tune and meth kit) ou are in the position to make a good decision or the best decision. There is quite a bit of difference between the two. You want FULL integration. Period.

Shiv

Thanks for the reply, knew that would be coming at some point Listen I was going to be asked to moderate a forum, specifically for bodybuilding, and I used to get annoyed with the people coming along asking questions in similar relations without doing their homework, so I see where your coming from.

I can understand, because on my training forum, it wasnt just a 'peice me together a kit/supplements/meds that will increase my size now' but more do your research and find out WHY these work well together, and what they do and potential adv/disadvantages etc.

I rode bikes for years, so the who tuning/meth/intake/FMIC are new to me, never did much to my bikes apart from aftermarket mufflers,HID's and cosmetics so im just catching up and asking questions that I have researched about but havent found much info on them.

However, I completely agree where your coming from, ive read extensive reviews on several products and ive figured out what works best is certain situations but some questions couldn't be answered.

Ill crack on with the research then instead of cutting corners.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by E93Blackhawk

Ill crack on with the research then instead of cutting corners.

Talk to you soon....

[FastBimmerN54]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

OP-- Do yourself a favor and do your research. This involves a lot more than listening to people who sell or use these parts. If you indecisive between an Aquamist-based PWM system and a BMS/SP meth system, you haven't done your homework and are not basing your decision upon full information.

Also, the worse thing you can do is based your next step upon whether or not you can use the blow-off valve you want to use. This is the least important component of your system. If you are after max performance and max safety you can immediately rule out any tuning solution that can't actively add or subtract ignition advance based upon methanol flow. Only playing around with boost levels to satisfy on/off meth conditions is like playing checkers with only have the pieces.

And if you want to take your car to a tuner to make fine adjustments, only the Procede provides true load-RPM cell-by-cell mappability that your tuner will be familiar with (as apposed to somewhat arbitrary global adjustments).

Seriously, do your homework. Given that you are about to purchase the two biggest bang-for-the-buck components available for the n54 (tune and meth kit) ou are in the position to make a good decision or the best decision. There is quite a bit of difference between the two. You want FULL integration. Period.

Shiv

In case the OP doesnt want to do the research you can just follow this route and have one of the finest methanol systems designed in the industry and one of the best tunes available for this car.

As far as the BOV.... those are for the fast and the furious team. No performance gains, just noise.

[E93Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by FastBimmerN54

In case the OP doesnt want to do the research you can just follow this route and have one of the finest methanol systems designed in the industry and one of the best tunes available for this car.

As far as the BOV.... those are for the fast and the furious team. No performance gains, just noise.

Please don't get me wrong bud, I've been tearing through my research for 2 days now, (have had more free time) and yes I've found out a lot,

but some things research can't cover and you need opinions and backup of others to satisfy.

More than prepared to churn all of this over but some of it is difficult

[themyst]

Originally Posted by E93Blackhawk

Please don't get me wrong bud, I've been tearing through my research for 2 days now, (have had more free time) and yes I've found out a lot,

but some things research can't cover and you need opinions and backup of others to satisfy.

More than prepared to churn all of this over but some of it is difficult

Keep in mind, the Vishnu PWM meth kit is married to the Procede; if you decide to switch tunes, your meth kit is rendered useless unless you buy the external Aquamist controller.

Ever consider getting an Aquamist HFS-3 and skip the middleman? You can then switch tunes as you see fit as it utilizes the flow sensor for progressive meth mapping (if you wish to use a piggyback) but uses an external controller for meth flow as opposed to using the tune itself.

You can then switch between tunes as you see fit.

I can run off at least ten examples of people wanting to switch to flash tune, but can't because they purchased a PWM meth kit and have too much vested interest to start over.

There will be proponents of every tune on the market today; Cobb, Procede, JB, same story. I've run each of the three above tunes in varying formats since 2009 and made my decision. Take advantage of the trial periods of all the tunes out there. Not sure how that would apply if you purchased a PWM meth kit from Vishnu though.

[OpenFlash]

Themyst's suggestion to "cut out the middleman" translates to:
-giving up basic meth injection mappability
-sacrificing failsafe response time
-adding redundant electronics that involve more installation time and offer less functionality
-eliminating IAT/throttle based meth injector DC% trims
-eliminating the ability to disable/enable meth through dash activations
-eliminate the ability to auto-prime (coming next week)

Shiv

[TMR]

The Vishnu system works absolutely great.

[Ilma]

Originally Posted by TMR

The Vishnu system works absolutely great.

And Shiv is not kidding about end-user tune-ability. It's hard to ignore the value of this to those who know how-to and want to fine tune their car.

The granularity is there to dial in very specific parts of the powerband if you so desire......but I find these maps tend to work very well straight out of the box.....so you can just plug and play too.

And it's hard to ignore that the failsafes are integrated right into the tune itself.

It's kind of nice to have one vendor who puts together all the pieces and marries them together to work seamlessly.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by themyst

OP, also consider the fact the a meth map for flash-tuning by Cobb is inevitably coming. I would wait it out a few months before making any decisions.

I know some of the large turbo guys are preferring the air/fuel ratios of the Cobb tuning down low, but using the JB4 on top of them for extra features like in dash gauges and meth control. Also something to consider. I think you can buy a Cobb + JB4 + WW meth kit for less than some of the other "integrated" solutions out there.

Mike

[cwn23]

I have the Snow performance meth PPS kit with the Procede and indeed the components are top notch. The car runs flawlessly with this system and if it wasn't for the time and money I have vested in this meth kit, I would not hesitate to get the PWM system from Vishnu. I am just happy he is still honoring support for his old kit users out there which is far more users than you would think!

[themyst]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Themyst's suggestion to "cut out the middleman" translates to:
-giving up basic meth injection mappability
-sacrificing failsafe response time
-adding redundant electronics that involve more installation time and offer less functionality
-eliminating IAT/throttle based meth injector DC% trims
-eliminating the ability to disable/enable meth through dash activations
-eliminate the ability to auto-prime (coming next week)

Shiv

This defensive statement translates to:

This meth kit is a pump, relay, flow sensor, virtually required charge pipe and controlled by the procede. This meth kit cannot be run with any tune except the procede.

This is not meant to bash, but merely pointing out reasons why you wouldn't want to go with the Vishnu kit.

Fwiw, the BMS kit can be made to work with any other tune fairly inexpensively if you decided to switch tunes later.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I know some of the large turbo guys are preferring the air/fuel ratios of the Cobb tuning down low, but using the JB4 on top of them for extra features like in dash gauges and meth control. Also something to consider. I think you can buy a Cobb + JB4 + WW meth kit for less than some of the other "integrated" solutions out there.

Mike

Well yeah, but once a meth map or ATR get released it's not necessary anymore. The Cobb ap unit itself makes for a fine gauge.

I'd be in for whatever meth failsafe Terry comes up with though. Think a lot of us would!

[E93Blackhawk]

Nooo I've started a new battle

As much as probably Shiv has a lot of offer with the PWM kit, and of course I've read extensive reviews on how good it is, but I do have to agree with themyst.

I have no doubt what so ever that vishnu's kit is leading with the other top in terms of its features, but it lacks integration with other kits as he mentioned, and If i where to want to switch maps over in say 6 months time I couldn't unless they bring out a feature for that which is a big shame to be honest.

Just going to have to work out what works best for me down the line if i say wanted to switch over.

Aquamist HFS-3 is another good option to be honest.

[sear]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Themyst's suggestion to "cut out the middleman" translates to:
-giving up basic meth injection mappability
-sacrificing failsafe response time
-adding redundant electronics that involve more installation time and offer less functionality
-eliminating IAT/throttle based meth injector DC% trims
-eliminating the ability to disable/enable meth through dash activations
-eliminate the ability to auto-prime (coming next week)

Shiv

Autoprime, FTW!! Was just thinking that a feature like this would be very useful while at the track last week.

[sear]

Originally Posted by TMR

The Vishnu system works absolutely great.

X2

Other options may be good as well, but there is much to be said for the Engineered integration of the Vishnu PWM kit. Good luck with your selection OP.

[Syndicategt]

Not sure what Autoprime is, but what's the difference between that and the Aquamist's Fast Acting Valve (FAV)?

[cwn23]

Originally Posted by Syndicategt

Not sure what Autoprime is, but what's the difference between that and the Aquamist's Fast Acting Valve (FAV)?

Autoprime would make sure there is no air bubbles in the system, just like when you purge the nitrous.