Dinan N55 Tune????

Shahdog · 06-11-2012, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335

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Originally Posted by MoBounce

If you do not have the Dinan stage 2 tune and drive with it daily, its difficult to take you seriously on downing its performance or Dinan's backing of their product.

I had mine done at Motor Works West... but here are the many dealerships within 50 miles of Edgewater, NJ. (where I live) that sell, support and ENCOURAGE Dinan products and tunes.

For me, PPK wasn't an option since I don't have the 335is, the dealer won't install it. 3 different dealers all suggested Dinan (even the non-dinan dealerships)

If the tune causes any issues with the car that the dealership determines was because of the tune... the dealership contacts Dinan and they cut a check. It's only happened a handful of times from what I was told from the Dinan rep. The warranty is what you are paying a premium for. And for some, it is worth it. Me being one of them.

I definitely think the performance and price point are fine- my only concern was with the "warranty" I've been hearing about. Simply just a lack of knowing, and having two dealers say lol whut we don't support Dinan...maybe they need to be educated. I plan on keeping this 335 for quite some time, so price point is not at all a factor for a tune that would be backed lock stock and barrel by a BMW dealer as you say.

Excellent info Mo - I'll check that list out this week!

What does PPK have to do with 335is?

PPK wouldn't work on 335is

335is already has PPK

PPK is a way for other 335i to get to 335is power only without 8 sec turbo boost

Dark_Knight_335 · 06-11-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shahdog

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Originally Posted by Kramzz335i

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone out there has the newly released engine tune from Dinan for the N55, or at least has herd of anyone with it. I am considering investing in this tune. Sounds like a solid deal to me. 55+hp and 100+tq gains. Thanks

Dinan 2 is great for n54

But is it great for n55?

PPK is conservatively rated
320 hp 332 tq
Dealer can tell you anything

Dinan is perhaps slightly overrated
355 hp 401 tq
Could be involved in dispute between Bmw and dinan without a loaner car in process

Doesn't mean dinan is bad
Just PPK has a lot of good value

I own PPK

Have not tried dinan

Anyone with n55 PPK
Upgrade to dinan 2?

What's this all about? What happened?

MoBounce · 06-11-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shahdog

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Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335

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Originally Posted by MoBounce

If you do not have the Dinan stage 2 tune and drive with it daily, its difficult to take you seriously on downing its performance or Dinan's backing of their product.

I had mine done at Motor Works West... but here are the many dealerships within 50 miles of Edgewater, NJ. (where I live) that sell, support and ENCOURAGE Dinan products and tunes.

For me, PPK wasn't an option since I don't have the 335is, the dealer won't install it. 3 different dealers all suggested Dinan (even the non-dinan dealerships)

If the tune causes any issues with the car that the dealership determines was because of the tune... the dealership contacts Dinan and they cut a check. It's only happened a handful of times from what I was told from the Dinan rep. The warranty is what you are paying a premium for. And for some, it is worth it. Me being one of them.

I definitely think the performance and price point are fine- my only concern was with the "warranty" I've been hearing about. Simply just a lack of knowing, and having two dealers say lol whut we don't support Dinan...maybe they need to be educated. I plan on keeping this 335 for quite some time, so price point is not at all a factor for a tune that would be backed lock stock and barrel by a BMW dealer as you say.

Excellent info Mo - I'll check that list out this week!

What does PPK have to do with 335is?

PPK wouldn't work on 335is

335is already has PPK

PPK is a way for other 335i to get to 335is power only without 8 sec turbo boost

BMW N. America will not allow the PPK on any non sport model 335i. You have to have certain options apparently. I've called BMWNA and been to 2 dealerships. They put in my VIN and they said no. Since I don't have the oil cooler and a certain sport package.

D's Bimmer · 06-11-2012, 04:56 PM

Kenny, are you serious with your post?????

I can't even respond but it did make me laugh so kodo's. You need to read some more articles about torque and horsepower. They are not correlated my friend. More importantly, build an engine. Their are many variables that one can design and build into and engine depending on $$$ and desired usage. Rally, dragstrip, oval, etc.

I race an M3 and that car is proof of that point!

You can have a high or low torque engine with similair horsepower ratings.

Black Gold · 06-11-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by D's Bimmer

Kenny, are you serious with your post?????

I can't even respond but it did make me laugh so kodo's. You need to read some more articles about torque and horsepower. They are not correlated my friend. More importantly, build an engine. Their are many variables that one can design and build into and engine depending on $$$ and desired usage. Rally, dragstrip, oval, etc.

I race an M3 and that car is proof of that point!

You can have a high or low torque engine with similair horsepower ratings.

Are you serious?

Your comment was that dinan makes the same torque as other tunes, but les hp.

Since you race cars, can you explain how, on the same car, you tune a car for the same torque, but less hp at the same rpm?

Hp = torque x rpm / 5250

Looking forward to your response.

D's Bimmer · 06-11-2012, 06:43 PM

The equation is reference to a static formula used to quantify horsepower in relation to torque. The reason why two tunes with identical torque can and most often due have different power output is because the characteristics of the respective tunes have different peak horsepower. For example, tune A may achieve its peak horsepower at 4700 rpm while tune B doesn't achieve it's peak output until 5400 rpm. This is the value that a tuner can deliver in terms of creating a time that meets the driver's requirements. In addition, a tuner can and often puts covenants, restrictive code, etc to create the optimal balance they are looking to achieve. If you read my note gain, that is exactly what I said.

The custom tune we created for my M3 has very high torque with governed peak horsepower. The reason for this is the same used by Dinan actually. The stress load put on the cars drivetrain and other core parts could not handle the power load over long durations. This would lead to material car damage and a shortened life of parts.

You can't simply add 25% more power to a car like this and not be expected to reengineer the drive train. So if two tunes quote te same torque and their horsepower is programmed to peak at the same rpm, the output will be the same. But the reason there re so many different tune options is that people needs tunes for different purposes and designing the correct power flow at the right rpm band is what makes the difference.

Black Gold · 06-11-2012, 07:51 PM

Half of that has nothing to do with the original question.

Again, you said dinan has the same torque but less horsepower.

At the same given rpm, that is impossible.

If your point is that dinan tapers boost up top earlier than te other tunes, but is equal at lower rpms, that's one thing (although I don't think the second part of that is true either)

On two cars that are the same that have the same torque at the same rpm, the power must be identical and cannot be different. If one car has more hp at a given rpm than another car, it must have more torque as well at that specific rpm.

On topic : I'm nt that impressed with the dinan dyno curves I've seen. The two I've seen made less than quoted hp and torque (using a 20% correction to crank hp)

Dozhdbog · 06-12-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MoBounce

BMW N. America will not allow the PPK on any non sport model 335i. You have to have certain options apparently. I've called BMWNA and been to 2 dealerships. They put in my VIN and they said no. Since I don't have the oil cooler and a certain sport package.

After much drama and 6 weeks of waiting, I had the stage 2 PPK installed on my non-sport 335.

Dark_Knight_335 · 06-12-2012, 11:22 AM

Guess who's gettin a DINAN flash Friday?

MoBounce · 06-12-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dozhdbog

After much drama and 6 weeks of waiting, I had the stage 2 PPK installed on my non-sport 335.

I don't have option code 840 on my 335 so therefore BMW WILL NOT do the ppk on my vehicle. Like I said before... it goes by VIN. Am I making this stuff up? Ask the dealer like I did on the stipulations. But, good for you that you had it done... you obviously have the option code that mine does not have.

MoBounce · 06-12-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335

Guess who's gettin a DINAN flash Friday?

NICE!! Who are you getting it done by? A BMW dealer or Motor Works West?

youngb4 · 06-12-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335

Guess who's gettin a DINAN flash Friday?

I'm sure this goes without saying and is on everyones mind, but PLEASE let us know your thoughts

! All these PPK/Dinan threads are making me itch to jump on the bandwagon as well, so I'd love to hear what you think about the difference between the PPK 1 and the Dinan Stage 2.

Thanks!

D's Bimmer · 06-12-2012, 02:45 PM

That's great. I love what it has done to my car from a performance and drivability standpoint. Look forward to hearing your thoughts after it is flashed.

Congrats!!!!

Dark_Knight_335 · 06-12-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MoBounce

NICE!! Who are you getting it done by? A BMW dealer or Motor Works West?

Prestige in Ramsey. I have you SOLELY to thank for this Mo. You are truly the man.

Dark_Knight_335 · 06-12-2012, 02:55 PM

I will keep everyone posted. VERY stoked.

eyim1988 · 06-12-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335

I will keep everyone posted. VERY stoked.

Happy for ya man. Go to a drag strip or dyno after too I want to see the capabilities of the dinan tune

Dark_Knight_335 · 06-12-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by eyim1988

Happy for ya man. Go to a drag strip or dyno after too I want to see the capabilities of the dinan tune

Thanks my brotha! You are an inspiration to all of us N55'ers. Thank you!

Kramzz335i · 06-12-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eyim1988

Happy for ya man. Go to a drag strip or dyno after too I want to see the capabilities of the dinan tune

+1 thanks everyone for your thoughts and inputs. its def helping me make a decision!

Dark_Knight_335 · 06-12-2012, 07:36 PM

The gains are great, but the warranty and peace of mind alone that you can walk into any BMW dealer and be covered for four whole years is fantastic to me.

Dozhdbog · 06-13-2012, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MoBounce

I don't have option code 840 on my 335 so therefore BMW WILL NOT do the ppk on my vehicle. Like I said before... it goes by VIN. Am I making this stuff up? Ask the dealer like I did on the stipulations. But, good for you that you had it done... you obviously have the option code that mine does not have.

No, I most assuredly do not have option code 840, which is why it was such a pain in the ass to get the stage 2 PPK installed. I don't think you're making anything up either.

As far as I know, I have the only base model 335i(non sport, non option code 840) to get the stage 2 PPK.

MoBounce · 06-13-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dozhdbog

No, I most assuredly do not have option code 840, which is why it was such a pain in the ass to get the stage 2 PPK installed. I don't think you're making anything up either.

As far as I know, I have the only base model 335i(non sport, non option code 840) to get the stage 2 PPK.

Yea... no idea why I'm not granted access to the PPK. Ah well. I'm very happy with my Dinan tune

Have a good one!

MoBounce · 06-13-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Knight_335

Prestige in Ramsey. I have you SOLELY to thank for this Mo. You are truly the man.

Thanks buddy... but no praise needed. Just did lots of reading and talking with the Dinan people. Enjoy it!!

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D's Bimmer Major 255 Rep 1,328 Posts Drives: 2016 340 Xi Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Toronto iTrader: (1)	Kenny, are you serious with your post????? I can't even respond but it did make me laugh so kodo's. You need to read some more articles about torque and horsepower. They are not correlated my friend. More importantly, build an engine. Their are many variables that one can design and build into and engine depending on $$$ and desired usage. Rally, dragstrip, oval, etc. I race an M3 and that car is proof of that point! You can have a high or low torque engine with similair horsepower ratings. __________________ 2016 340Xi M-Sport Sedan \| BMW M Performance Exhaust l APEX SM-10 Wheels
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D's Bimmer Major 255 Rep 1,328 Posts Drives: 2016 340 Xi Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Toronto iTrader: (1)	The equation is reference to a static formula used to quantify horsepower in relation to torque. The reason why two tunes with identical torque can and most often due have different power output is because the characteristics of the respective tunes have different peak horsepower. For example, tune A may achieve its peak horsepower at 4700 rpm while tune B doesn't achieve it's peak output until 5400 rpm. This is the value that a tuner can deliver in terms of creating a time that meets the driver's requirements. In addition, a tuner can and often puts covenants, restrictive code, etc to create the optimal balance they are looking to achieve. If you read my note gain, that is exactly what I said. The custom tune we created for my M3 has very high torque with governed peak horsepower. The reason for this is the same used by Dinan actually. The stress load put on the cars drivetrain and other core parts could not handle the power load over long durations. This would lead to material car damage and a shortened life of parts. You can't simply add 25% more power to a car like this and not be expected to reengineer the drive train. So if two tunes quote te same torque and their horsepower is programmed to peak at the same rpm, the output will be the same. But the reason there re so many different tune options is that people needs tunes for different purposes and designing the correct power flow at the right rpm band is what makes the difference. __________________ 2016 340Xi M-Sport Sedan \| BMW M Performance Exhaust l APEX SM-10 Wheels
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Black Gold Major General 609 Rep 5,395 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Texas iTrader: (15)	Half of that has nothing to do with the original question. Again, you said dinan has the same torque but less horsepower. At the same given rpm, that is impossible. If your point is that dinan tapers boost up top earlier than te other tunes, but is equal at lower rpms, that's one thing (although I don't think the second part of that is true either) On two cars that are the same that have the same torque at the same rpm, the power must be identical and cannot be different. If one car has more hp at a given rpm than another car, it must have more torque as well at that specific rpm. On topic : I'm nt that impressed with the dinan dyno curves I've seen. The two I've seen made less than quoted hp and torque (using a 20% correction to crank hp) __________________ Last edited by Black Gold; 06-11-2012 at 07:56 PM..
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