Procede NLS Datalog 2-3-4

Jeff@TopGearSolutions · 06-12-2012, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tzu

The 5-13 or whatever the most recent revision is, had "upped" the 3D tables so the OL global value had more adjustability, and thereby became 75% OTS. Directly upping to 100% is more of a 4-13 thing. I'd up to 85%, log, and adjust in ~5% increments upwards until your trims are in the mid +20s.

Ah, That is a good point. I should have noted its best to just increase in increments of 5 or 10% depending.

skim7x · 06-13-2012, 05:05 PM

OK awesome guys... will adjust the OL Fueling and datalog again.

I fixed the AFR graph... It looks pretty crazy, but I guess since my fuel trims maxed out, I was running really lean there... and then once the fueling kicked in the AFR's dropped appropriately.

AU335i · 06-13-2012, 05:30 PM

my AFR's looked like that too but I haven't logged again since I've put my OL to 100%

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Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Ah, That is a good point. I should have noted its best to just increase in increments of 5 or 10% depending.

is there any negative side effects for having the % too high? like if you only need 85% and you set it to 100%?

jpsimon · 06-13-2012, 05:32 PM

something is not right... just call Vishnu

skim7x · 06-13-2012, 05:58 PM

I increased my OL Fuel by 5% and the NLS shifting felt better... but the fuel trims looked like they kept maxing out... here is at OL Fuel at 100%

Fedie · 06-13-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skim7x

I increased my OL Fuel by 5% and the NLS shifting felt better... but the fuel trims looked like they kept maxing out... here is at OL Fuel at 100%

What stage are you running I have/had somewhat the same issue

Lulz_M3 · 06-13-2012, 10:55 PM

Those AFR's are scary!

skim7x · 06-13-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fedie

What stage are you running I have/had somewhat the same issue

I'm running Stage 3. Still on a trial period that ends on Monday... so if I can't sort this out by Monday, might have to stick with the Cobb... =/ I e-mailed some 3rd to 4th gear pulls to Robert@vishnu today and hopefully he'll get back to me soon.

jpsimon · 06-13-2012, 11:27 PM

Skim, fasted way is to just call them during normal business hours

rader1 · 06-13-2012, 11:41 PM

Ohh no, not another PROcede maxing out trims and leaning out...

skim7x · 06-14-2012, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jpsimon

Skim, fasted way is to just call them during normal business hours

oh, i already talked to robert. He had me send him a datalog, which i did yesterday, so hopefully he'll get back to me today.

Tzu · 06-14-2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rader1

Ohh no, not another PROcede maxing out trims and leaning out...

Couldn't agree with you more. When the procede decides to implemnt its perfect way of doing things, fueling is terrifying. So lean-run is enabled in these maps right?

Back on topic. OP: First reset all adaptations. Then up your OL to 90. Then disable NLS and do a few 3rd gear pulls. Then datalog a non-NLS pull and repost. It doesnt appear your entering CL fueling at all.

edit: before doing the above, reload the firmware and map on the procede too. Ensure you follow the readme commands for resetting and what not.

Lulz_M3 · 06-14-2012, 08:26 AM

I think if anything this is a testament to how wonderful our DME is, and how robust the N54 is as well. In most cases, this would equal a grenaded engine.

rader1 · 06-14-2012, 10:55 AM

Seriously, that's fucking scary. Lean spikes that bad near peak torque is definitely not a good, or even acceptable, situation

skim7x · 06-14-2012, 07:33 PM

Vishnu is recommending I replace injectors and clean VANOS solenoids...

sickem · 06-14-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skim7x

Vishnu is recommending I replace injectors and clean VANOS solenoids...

Just replace the vanos solenoids. It easy to do. Injectors aren't too bad either but they need to be coded.

Lulz_M3 · 06-14-2012, 07:55 PM

Weren't you running Cobb before?

Fedie · 06-14-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skim7x

Vishnu is recommending I replace injectors and clean VANOS solenoids...

I had exactly same issue on stg 3 but I had all injectors replaced under warranty, they've recommended switching to stg2 and ol 100 and that combo seems to had fixed the fueling issue for me. Let us know about the vanos solenoids if that works for you I might be end up changing the as well.

themyst · 06-14-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lulz_M3

I think if anything this is a testament to how wonderful our DME is, and how robust the N54 is as well. In most cases, this would equal a grenaded engine.

More along the lines of how you can get away with bloody murder with DI... to a point.

Oddly, I never had any of these fuel trim oddities on Procede when I ran it. Only issue with it was timing flatline.

rader1 · 06-14-2012, 08:54 PM

Re-install Cobb and log. I'll be willing to bet your AFR will be perfect and your STFTs will be spot on. The PROcede cannot control fueling as it should be and hardware is almost certainly not your problem.

onesuperboi · 06-14-2012, 09:01 PM

Yeah, if you still have COBB, you might as well try it and log your AFR. At least it would help you out and let you know if it is indeed a hardware problem and not tune related.

themyst · 06-14-2012, 09:06 PM

OP, IIRC, AFR wasn't your issue with Cobb. You had massive timing correction activity it seems. Valve cleaning maybe?

Try disabling NLS and shift normally just for testing purposes?

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skim7x Colonel 213 Rep 2,558 Posts Drives: 335i, C63 AMG Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 335i [10.00]	OK awesome guys... will adjust the OL Fueling and datalog again. I fixed the AFR graph... It looks pretty crazy, but I guess since my fuel trims maxed out, I was running really lean there... and then once the fueling kicked in the AFR's dropped appropriately. Attached Images __________________ '07 Space Gray 335i coupe - R.I.P. COBB ProTuned \| AMS \| CP-e \| BMS \| Quaife
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06-13-2012, 05:58 PM	#27
skim7x Colonel 213 Rep 2,558 Posts Drives: 335i, C63 AMG Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 335i [10.00]	I increased my OL Fuel by 5% and the NLS shifting felt better... but the fuel trims looked like they kept maxing out... here is at OL Fuel at 100% Attached Images __________________ '07 Space Gray 335i coupe - R.I.P. COBB ProTuned \| AMS \| CP-e \| BMS \| Quaife
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06-13-2012, 10:55 PM	#29
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06-13-2012, 11:41 PM	#32
rader1 Banned 71 Rep 2,197 Posts Drives: Cobb Stage 2+ 135i Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Roanoke, VA iTrader: (0)	Ohh no, not another PROcede maxing out trims and leaning out...
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06-14-2012, 08:26 AM	#35
Lulz_M3 Banned 33 Rep 1,029 Posts Drives: AW 335i 6MT Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl iTrader: (0)	I think if anything this is a testament to how wonderful our DME is, and how robust the N54 is as well. In most cases, this would equal a grenaded engine. Attached Images
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06-14-2012, 10:55 AM	#36
rader1 Banned 71 Rep 2,197 Posts Drives: Cobb Stage 2+ 135i Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Roanoke, VA iTrader: (0)	Seriously, that's fucking scary. Lean spikes that bad near peak torque is definitely not a good, or even acceptable, situation
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06-14-2012, 07:33 PM	#37
skim7x Colonel 213 Rep 2,558 Posts Drives: 335i, C63 AMG Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 335i [10.00]	Vishnu is recommending I replace injectors and clean VANOS solenoids... __________________ '07 Space Gray 335i coupe - R.I.P. COBB ProTuned \| AMS \| CP-e \| BMS \| Quaife
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06-14-2012, 07:55 PM	#39
Lulz_M3 Banned 33 Rep 1,029 Posts Drives: AW 335i 6MT Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl iTrader: (0)	Weren't you running Cobb before?
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06-14-2012, 08:54 PM	#42
rader1 Banned 71 Rep 2,197 Posts Drives: Cobb Stage 2+ 135i Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Roanoke, VA iTrader: (0)	Re-install Cobb and log. I'll be willing to bet your AFR will be perfect and your STFTs will be spot on. The PROcede cannot control fueling as it should be and hardware is almost certainly not your problem.
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onesuperboi Major 53 Rep 1,357 Posts Drives: '08 e92 335i COBB 4.01 Stage 1 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bay Area, CA (Alameda) iTrader: (6)	Yeah, if you still have COBB, you might as well try it and log your AFR. At least it would help you out and let you know if it is indeed a hardware problem and not tune related.
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06-14-2012, 09:06 PM	#44
themyst Major General 189 Rep 6,631 Posts Drives: '16 MK7 GTI Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (8)	OP, IIRC, AFR wasn't your issue with Cobb. You had massive timing correction activity it seems. Valve cleaning maybe? Try disabling NLS and shift normally just for testing purposes? __________________ E90 LCI N54 6AT
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