[Tony@vargasturbotech]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

How about 490whp+ with no Meth??????? Single turbo

Sounds Awesome, whos kit are you using and are you on E85 or just a really good tune on pump? This could be an option as well

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by Tonyturbo42

Sounds Awesome, whos kit are you using and are you on E85 or just a really good tune on pump? This could be an option as well

The ONLY single kit -- Vishnu's. Basically all of their single turbo kits are ~500 WHP+ (IIRC, they're nearly @ 700 WHP with meth & the largest turbo option on their kit).


You just need to find a spare $10k lying around

[SIKH335]

Originally Posted by benzy89

The ONLY single kit -- Vishnu's. Basically all of their single turbo kits are ~500 WHP+ (IIRC, they're nearly @ 700 WHP with meth & the largest turbo option on their kit).


You just need to find a spare $10k lying around

Drive one and you will be looking for a way to pay for the kit also. I DD my car in map 1 with a 62mm turbo running a little over 500whp and love it. When I really wanna move Map 4 is a blast. No waste gate rattle better sound and power and pump gas power. Car sounds and feels like an exotic.

[skinrock]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

Drive one and you will be looking for a way to pay for the kit also. I DD my car in map 1 with a 62mm turbo running a little over 500whp and love it. When I really wanna move Map 4 is a blast. No waste gate rattle better sound and power and pump gas power. Car sounds and feels like an exotic.

Is it even offered without meth, though? I know you can run without it obviously, but the main reason I haven't thought too much about it is because I didn't want to run meth again.

[benzy89]

Originally Posted by skinrock

Is it even offered without meth, though? I know you can run without it obviously, but the main reason I haven't thought too much about it is because I didn't want to run meth again.

This is an OLD post (back in February), but it shows the kits dyno results w/ and without meth @ the settings Shiv felt ok with at the time. I'm assuming that the single-turbo tune has been revised/updated since Feb & the power numbers are higher on both setups (w/ + w/o Meth), but I don't feel like combing thru 50 billion pages of single-turbo threads.

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Hi guys,
Just got back from our 3rd dyno tuning session. So far, our single turbo system tuning sessions is coming along quite nicely. Today we returned to the same dyno we used a few days ago when we put down 585whp. Still running 94oct pump plus PWM Methanol. This time, we removed the 20psi boost limit that handicapped us before. And with boost at 16psi at 4000RPM tapering upwards to 22.5psi by 6500rpm, it put down this without any muss or fuss:



We only did 3 pump+meth runs today. The first two ran a peak of 21psi and made 600-602whp at 20-21psi peak boost. By just adding another 1.5psi up top, it picked up another 25WHP. Pretty astonishing how much power the car is picking up with with incremental changes in boost pressure now that the turbo is operating at it's sweet spot. The turbo itself should still have another ~100hp left in it

So far, fuel system is well within its limits. Fuel trims aren't even closed to being maxed out. I suspect we will limits right around 660-675whp. Which is nice since we still have one more upgrade to make which should support well over 800whp by my calculations. Still no misfire. Still no signs of knock retard. Everything is looking and sounding beautiful. AFR via external wideband AFR is still in the low 12s...


Cheers,
Shiv

PS. We did a couple pump gas (94oct) runs with NO meth. Still some more tuning to do. But pretty promising start:

[skinrock]

^^ Yea, I remember seeing that dyno and loved the curve even without meth. I was going to ask more about it, but the product FAQ page says meth is a required component. Maybe with the flex-fuel add on it won't be

[benzy89]

Have they tuned the single for E85 yet? Not that it'd be anything landmark, just wondering since E85 poses the problem of ranging quality across the country (same reasoning why COBB didn't release E85 OTS Maps)

[skinrock]

Originally Posted by benzy89

Have they tuned the single for E85 yet? Not that it'd be anything landmark, just wondering since E85 poses the problem of ranging quality across the country (same reasoning why COBB didn't release E85 OTS Maps)

It was hinted that it was in progress. With the sensor, it seems to resolve the issue of varying qualities.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by Tonyturbo42

Thanks for the quick Reply. Looking to go about 400-425 to the wheels. I already have a dual cone set up, Helix FMIC, downpipes, exhaust, PROcede rev3, and HKS charge pipe with the blow off valve. I think the upgraded turbos with what I already have done are the logical next step. A bigger compressor wheel, clipped turbine, and upgraded actuators seem to be the 3 common denominators for these upgrades.

Thanks in advance, Tony

You can get that power if you just added methanol, E85, or race gas.

But yea any of the stock frame turbo upgrades would fit your goals. I like the RB or ASR.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Tonyturbo42

Thanks for the quick Reply. Looking to go about 400-425 to the wheels. I already have a dual cone set up, Helix FMIC, downpipes, exhaust, PROcede rev3, and HKS charge pipe with the blow off valve. I think the upgraded turbos with what I already have done are the logical next step. A bigger compressor wheel, clipped turbine, and upgraded actuators seem to be the 3 common denominators for these upgrades.

Thanks in advance, Tony

You can achieve that power goal easily with meth and some more boost keeping your stock turbos.

However, a turbo upgrade (be it upgraded twins or a single) will net a broader powerband than the stock turbos which fall flat up top. It all depends on your goals. You can achieve a maximum of maybe 500-510whp on upgraded twins (with your existing bolt-ons) and possibly around 650-700 whp with a single turbo.

All depends on your budget really.

[Toker335i]

Someone give me the price of a single turbo with all needed parts (including downpipes / intake / etc etc fmic etc etc ) + installation

I'm curious to see this.

[Tony@vargasturbotech]

Originally Posted by Toker335i

Someone give me the price of a single turbo with all needed parts (including downpipes / intake / etc etc fmic etc etc ) + installation

I'm curious to see this.

If you check Vishu's page looks like if your car is stock or just has minimal upgrades you are looking at about 10 grand before install. Someone will come out with a cheaper kit that performs just as well on the tunes they are perfecting now. Once that happens people will be scrambling to get them. 10K just seems to price it out of 95% of peoples range. IMO

[SIKH335]

Originally Posted by skinrock

Is it even offered without meth, though? I know you can run without it obviously, but the main reason I haven't thought too much about it is because I didn't want to run meth again.

It is offered without meth. I'm driving it right now with an empty meth tank and it's a beast!

[BobS]

Originally Posted by Toker335i

Someone give me the price of a single turbo with all needed parts (including downpipes / intake / etc etc fmic etc etc ) + installation

I'm curious to see this.

Don't forget the price of a LSD, clutch, and suspension mods needed to put the power down safely/effectively on a 600+ whp car.

[SIKH335]

Originally Posted by BobS

Don't forget the price of a LSD, clutch, and suspension mods needed to put the power down safely/effectively on a 600+ whp car.

This is a poor excuse to put the kit down, the mods mentioned are a matter of preference. LSD and suspension upgrades are really needed for a FBO tune plus meth car. If as a consumer you have been to cheap to tune your car in a balanced fashion then you really should stay away from any turbo upgrade.

FWIW there are single turbo cars running on no LSD and minimal suspension upgrades.

In my case I choose to balance my power with handling mods and wanted my car to handle better than an M3 from the day I started tuning.

[Tony@vargasturbotech]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

This is a poor excuse to put the kit down, the mods mentioned are a matter of preference. LSD and suspension upgrades are really needed for a FBO tune plus meth car. If as a consumer you have been to cheap to tune your car in a balanced fashion then you really should stay away from any turbo upgrade.

FWIW there are single turbo cars running on no LSD and minimal suspension upgrades.

In my case I choose to balance my power with handling mods and wanted my car to handle better than an M3 from the day I started tuning.

I don't think anyone is putting down the kit. I know I am not. It looks like a well thought out kit witha lot of nice pieces. I come from a long turbo background. My dad was fabbing turbo kits on race cars and boats in the late 70's using aircraft turbos, he gave me a twin rajay turbo small block '67 chevelle for my 16th bday. So I know what it takes to build a solid kit and I can safely say they are making a LOT of money off these kits. But hey they are the first to do it, they earned it and will make that money until it gets knocked off and someone comes out with a high quality kit similar with a much lower price point. Prob take about 6-8 months before this happens. Again IMO.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Toker335i

Someone give me the price of a single turbo with all needed parts (including downpipes / intake / etc etc fmic etc etc ) + installation

I'm curious to see this.

Then how do you justify modding any car? Is it safe to run 420 rwhp on stock runflats? Well add that to the cost of a tune. Is it safe to run 400+rwhp with the tail end whipping? Then add M3 subframe bushings / toe arms / coilovers to the cost of a tune. At this point, a tune now costs your 5k.

[SIKH335]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Then how do you justify modding any car? Is it safe to run 420 rwhp on stock runflats? Well add that to the cost of a tune. Is it safe to run 400+rwhp with the tail end whipping? Then add M3 subframe bushings / toe arms / coilovers to the cost of a tune. At this point, a tune now costs your 5k.

Great points!!!!!

[Tony@vargasturbotech]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Then how do you justify modding any car? Is it safe to run 420 rwhp on stock runflats? Well add that to the cost of a tune. Is it safe to run 400+rwhp with the tail end whipping? Then add M3 subframe bushings / toe arms / coilovers to the cost of a tune. At this point, a tune now costs your 5k.

Seems like you guys like bickering on these boards. We all know going fast isn't cheap. You keep adding horsepower and you are going to keep finding the weak links, whether its clutch, transmission, suspension, fuel system, and the list goes on. We are all on the long road to making our cars more race than street. Every high horsepower project I have ever built spirals until it has a roll cage and drag slicks on it. Lets just get along and try to help pass information along that is helpful to our goals

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Tonyturbo42

Seems like you guys like bickering on these boards. We all know going fast isn't cheap. You keep adding horsepower and you are going to keep finding the weak links, whether its clutch, transmission, suspension, fuel system, and the list goes on. We are all on the long road to making our cars more race than street. Every high horsepower project I have ever built spirals until it has a roll cage and drag slicks on it. Lets just get along and try to help pass information along that is helpful to our goals

I barely post in these threads. I am just making a counter point and I agree that this is a process. No one mods expecting it to end with one part. I am just having some fun with you, so I apologize if it came across wrong.

[Tony@vargasturbotech]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

I barely post in these threads. I am just making a counter point and I agree that this is a process. No one mods expecting it to end with one part. I am just having some fun with you, so I apologize if it came across wrong.

Oh no you took that wrong dude. I didn't think you were bickering with me. I just read through your thread about the single kit install and I saw a lot of back and forth between people who back the Vishnu side and the people who seem to back the Burger side. I am new to the N54 world but have been dealing with turbos for a long time. So I am here to learn from people and try to help if I can. I am going to be offering some innovative products though my shop in the near future so I am just trying to get a feel for this community and see who is who. So far I like what I see a lot of helpful people.

[BobS]

Who is putting the kit down? He asked what cost he should expect with the single upgrade, I pointed out that ideally a LSD, suspension and clutch would be needed. Anyone that is running a single or any upgraded turbo car without those mods is wasting the potential of the car IMO.