[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by e.n335

It appears when I let off the gas. Thus it's in the intercooler & piping the in this moment very high reving turbo's will see the 18.2 psi as some backpressure. This is safe ?

@ 533ogetnom: You seem to have some problems. Please solve them somewhere other, not in my thread. Thank you.

i do have a problem with the thing you said to fanboi up the intercooler, and this was an appropriate place to solve it where you showed a relative lack of knowledge; what better place

Originally Posted by Garrett

That isn't the point..! We were told by Shiv that the car doesn't see these high of values under his tuning. Anybody can see that it is after he lets up off the throttles, that too is not what he is asking.

We were just wondering if Shiv has seen values like his or his his software not reacting fast anough to clamp these spikes, which he has rsponded too.

as shiv said in another thread, and this thread by now, its because the sensor hes reading off is not the one in the manifold, just knowing that alone tells you everything you need to know, and that WAS what he was asking if "any of the pressure is seen by the engine"

Originally Posted by gashero

^ +1. Thanks shiv for your personal turbo lesson to the bmw crowd. Please learn about turbo car before you scare the rest of the crowd by post like this and demand an answer.

+2 and ill add dont tell people about fictitious benefits you read on wikipedia about things you dont know about either

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by gashero

^ +1. Thanks shiv for your personal turbo lesson to the bmw crowd. Please learn about turbo car before you scare the rest of the crowd by post like this and demand an answer.

Huh?

[Serjames]

Don't often respond, or even post - but I do feel the need to defend Eugen here.

Shiv has the right to respond or not as he chooses. I doubt he needs anyone's defense as to who and when he should explain something - seems to me he's pleased to assume we know nothing and educate us as appropriate.

And 533ogetnom, just where the hell do YOU get off being so arrogant. Who gave you the right to decide what people should and shouldn't ask. Exactly what qualifications do I need to be able to post amongst you turbo greats ?

Eugen, more power (!) to you mate, keep asking and I, and perhaps the other less perfect group of readers who stay silent will keep learning.

JMHO

SJ

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by Serjames

And 533ogetnom, just where the hell do YOU get off being so arrogant. Who gave you the right to decide what people should and shouldn't ask. Exactly what qualifications do I need to be able to post amongst you turbo greats ?

oh no, he can ask whatever the F he wants, i could not care less, infact just like you i encourage; ok maybe not JUST like you but as long as it hasnt been asked 1million times before i think people should post up any question they have

but back to the point

the reason i bring this up is because we got into a bit of a "scuffle" over his "knowledge" of aftermarket intercoolers, he claimed that if you got the spearco cooler that your engine would magically run cooler, you would have cooler oil and coolant temps, lower EGTs, and that the life of your engine would be prolonged; to try to justify to everyone who thought the HP gains were low that was a worthwhile product (and i believe also to try and justify his purchase to himself) (and ill add that it is a worthwhile product)

all of which is BS fanboi'ing from someone who doesnt know port from starboard and my point was that this is proof right here that he should have kept his mouth shut rather then trying to get people to buy a product based on BS claims by him for his own ego (not even for money)

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

the reason i bring this up is because we got into a bit of a "scuffle" over his "knowledge" of aftermarket intercoolers, he claimed that if you got the spearco cooler that your engine would magically run cooler, you would have cooler oil and coolant temps, lower EGTs, and that the life of your engine would be prolonged; to try to justify to everyone who thought the HP gains were low that was a worthwhile product (and i believe also to try and justify his purchase to himself) (and ill add that it is a worthwhile product)

all of which is BS fanboi'ing from someone who doesnt know port from starboard and my point was that this is proof right here that he should have kept his mouth shut rather then trying to get people to buy a product based on BS claims by him for his own ego (not even for money)

Non sequitur. Oh, and you can quit calling him a fanboy. I have it on good authority that Eugen is a fanman, just like me.

[Serjames]

I understand your point of view, but I would hope that most of us are sensible enough to understand that sometimes you have to read between the lines of some people's posts.

If you weigh (IMO) the positives that eugen has brought to the discussion versus his sometime blunt points of view I think he's in the black.

And many of his comments, I would suggest are blunt language issues, I work for a Belgian company, so know how typed conversations can be mis-interpretted - remember this guy is not an english speaker (or writer) by birth !

I don't disagree with what you said, just the snappy bad additude with which it was delivered. I love this forum, but I struggle with the aggression that seems to be expressed towards fellow enthusiasts - anyone else ?

I don't want to cause an issue, just perhaps promote a bit of sensible discussion as opposed to argument. Lets draw a line under it.

SJ

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by Serjames

I don't disagree with what you said, just the snappy bad additude with which it was delivered. I love this forum, but I struggle with the aggression that seems to be expressed towards fellow enthusiasts - anyone else ?

Agreed. I for one enjoy reading many of Eugen's posts. To me he sounds like a class act, and even if 533 doesn't agree with the point Eugen was trying to make, there's no need to be a dick about it. You can make your counter point without the attitude.

[e.n335]

Hi

I am not here on this forum to do something for my ego, I just like car as I expect all of you do and I'm quite fine and satisfied with my life .

It's true, I don't have exceptional knowledge on turbocharged cars due to a simple reason: I drive BMW's since 15 years now, no other brand and the 335i is the first turbocharged gasoline engine from BMW since many years.

After I sold my e46 M3 I bought a X5 3.0 diesel, chipped it and had a lot of troubles with this car due to the high EGT's. At the end I got rid of the EGT problems after I installed a better FMIC and therefore I continue thinking that beside hp / tq gains a better FMIC is a great thing and a big bang for the buck. There is nothing magic with that, simply physics. If you have lower IAT's, lower stress on the turbos and no special tuning software utilizing the better FMIC, why shouldn't the engine decrease it's operating temps ? I dont think it will be a huge decrease but here a bit and there a bit will sum up to an overall good result, helping to achieve the bullet-proof tuning I want to get. What is wrong with saying if you increase boost you should think about a better IC as well ?

However, I ordered the Spearco FMIC already and will see how it behaves on the N54. If somebody thinks it's not worth the money I am fine with that. Hijacking a thread that has nothing to do with intercoolers just to disagree is a different thing.

Just try to be and stay open minded, regardless if I am right or wrong. I am curious about the Spearco FMIC results and will let you know if there are also benefits related to the operating temp's of the engine.

According to my experience with the X5 there should be some.

Cheers
Eugen

[Div4our]

I just choose to ignore people like that, they aren't helping anyone; they just make shit worse. So why fuel the fire?

Eugen, no need to pay attention to **** like that. You don't need to explain yourself to him. Keep asking questions and we'll all keep learning.

-Pat

[Garrett]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

oh no, he can ask whatever the F he wants, i could not care less, infact just like you i encourage; ok maybe not JUST like you but as long as it hasnt been asked 1million times before i think people should post up any question they have

but back to the point

the reason i bring this up is because we got into a bit of a "scuffle" over his "knowledge" of aftermarket intercoolers, he claimed that if you got the spearco cooler that your engine would magically run cooler, you would have cooler oil and coolant temps, lower EGTs, and that the life of your engine would be prolonged; to try to justify to everyone who thought the HP gains were low that was a worthwhile product (and i believe also to try and justify his purchase to himself) (and ill add that it is a worthwhile product)

all of which is BS fanboi'ing from someone who doesnt know port from starboard and my point was that this is proof right here that he should have kept his mouth shut rather then trying to get people to buy a product based on BS claims by him for his own ego (not even for money)

LOL.

A good FMIC will reduce the running temperature of your car..! Not alot, but it's an enhierent benifit of having a "cooler" air going into your engine.

Eugen didn't say that was the only reason he felt an FMIC was a good choice (he named others), but it certainly isn't a negative or something to be dismissed.

Secondly, I never saw Eugen trying to get people to buy a product and he certainly hasn't claimed to be an authority, but he always seems to back up his decisions with a reason why he is doing them.

You have offered NOTHING to this (or others) conversation and your tact needs some work.







-Garrett

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Serjames

I understand your point of view, but I would hope that most of us are sensible enough to understand that sometimes you have to read between the lines of some people's posts.

If you weigh (IMO) the positives that eugen has brought to the discussion versus his sometime blunt points of view I think he's in the black.

And many of his comments, I would suggest are blunt language issues, I work for a Belgian company, so know how typed conversations can be mis-interpretted - remember this guy is not an english speaker (or writer) by birth !

I don't disagree with what you said, just the snappy bad additude with which it was delivered. I love this forum, but I struggle with the aggression that seems to be expressed towards fellow enthusiasts - anyone else ?

I don't want to cause an issue, just perhaps promote a bit of sensible discussion as opposed to argument. Lets draw a line under it.

SJ

SJ, you sir, are a class act. I could learn a thing or two from you.

[Serjames]

Trust me I know nothing about these types of technical stuff, so i doubt it lol