[E90330i]

I've driven every current Mercedes except for a SLR or CLSAMG and can say that even these 150,000$ Mercs can't out-perform even a 325i. Yes, they are mega fast(in a way I don't like,just stomp the pedal, no actual driver skill) on the highway, but as far as I know most BMW drivers drive them because there is no car made that connects you to the road or handels through the apex's quite like a BMW.

And it's obvious if you want forced induction,traction control that can't be completely turned off,drab interior,overpriced,bad reliability, and not nearly as good of warrenty than get a Merc.

If you are man enough(or woman) to give away drag race and highway acceleration to a AMG, want a normally aspirated engine,tighter steering,oversteer on demand,great customer service,and a overall mini supercar(M3,M5,Mcoupe etc..), then get a BMW.

[flipmde786]

Originally Posted by E90330i

I've driven every current Mercedes except for a SLR or CLSAMG and can say that even these 150,000$ Mercs can't out-perform even a 325i. Yes, they are mega fast(in a way I don't like,just stomp the pedal, no actual driver skill) on the highway, but as far as I know most BMW drivers drive them because there is no car made that connects you to the road or handels through the apex's quite like a BMW.

And it's obvious if you want forced induction,traction control that can't be completely turned off,drab interior,overpriced,bad reliability, and not nearly as good of warrenty than get a Merc.

If you are man enough(or woman) to give away drag race and highway acceleration to a AMG, want a normally aspirated engine,tighter steering,oversteer on demand,great customer service,and a overall mini supercar(M3,M5,Mcoupe etc..), then get a BMW.

I think you need to relax a bit. To say a 325 can't be outperformed by an SLR is going a little too far, to say the least. A drab interior? To me, I find them quite rich and find the interiors of BMWs are quite drab themselves. As for bad reliability, all you have to do is look through this forum for all the people having problems, and we can see that BMW isn't that great itself. What do you need the traction control to be off for, to do drifts in the street? And about the forced induction, the new 6.3L AMG V8 is naturally aspirated. Yes, I know BMWs are the best performers, and I am getting a 330xi in the summer. I also have an 04 E320 with sport package and I can't say I'm the least bit unsatisfied with the car. I understand the hatred of many toward MB in this forum, as there are overly fanatic BMW supporters in here. But the way you guys make it sound like MB is the worst brand on the planet, it's ridiculous.

[ben1364]

This thread doesn't warrant comment.

[Papa13]

hahaha sorry but...

MB = Chrysler

There you go.. this pointless thread summed up in a couple words...

And BTW the only reason the SLR is good is becuase its a MACLAREN...

[GoBonesGo]

Originally Posted by ben1364

This thread doesn't warrant comment.

And I'm actually not typing this right now.

[Xens]

Mercedes Benz is nice, for my gf.

Seriously, it looks great, is luxurious, has a bunch of gizmos, performs well, and carries the badge.

The complete negligence of a traditional manual transmission will always make it the car for my gf.

[poldim]

Originally Posted by E90330i

If you are man enough(or woman) to give away drag race and highway acceleration to a AMG, want a normally aspirated engine,tighter steering,oversteer on demand, great customer service,and a overall mini supercar(M3,M5,Mcoupe etc..), then get a BMW.

What planet are you from?

[poldim]

Originally Posted by flipmde786

I think you need to relax a bit. To say a 325 can't be outperformed by an SLR is going a little too far, to say the least. A drab interior? To me, I find them quite rich and find the interiors of BMWs are quite drab themselves. As for bad reliability, all you have to do is look through this forum for all the people having problems, and we can see that BMW isn't that great itself. What do you need the traction control to be off for, to do drifts in the street? And about the forced induction, the new 6.3L AMG V8 is naturally aspirated. Yes, I know BMWs are the best performers, and I am getting a 330xi in the summer. I also have an 04 E320 with sport package and I can't say I'm the least bit unsatisfied with the car. I understand the hatred of many toward MB in this forum, as there are overly fanatic BMW supporters in here. But the way you guys make it sound like MB is the worst brand on the planet, it's ridiculous.

I'd have to agree. I've driven most of the high priced, over $100K, and they are great cars. They are very luxurious, with an amazing interior, build, and materials. Thats one of the reasons you pay so much, along with the badge. None the less, I think its a car for a different type of drive. One where you are never late, or at least never care about being late. Where you can just cruise and enjoy being in your $100,000 plus car.

I've drive the 760Li and S600 back to back. Both are amazing. Both are there providing different varieties of one thing, transportation from point A to B.

One a side note, the ambient lighting in the 760 is orgasmic.

[ska///235i]

AMG are Great cars.....The End

[NaTuReB0Y]

My first BMW.....so far....Customer Service
I take any AMG over a 325i......

AMG

[CPTHALL]

We should also be mindful that everyone has their own opinion. He is just stating what he feel not the fact. The E55 has to supercharge their engines to get that performance while the M3 is NA. Also, a NA M5 has been choosen by every car test there is over the E55. A M5 can get well over 650 hp from its engine but the transmission cant handle the power and that is NA. Why is it that a E55 can get only 496 from a 5.0l supercharge, the E55 seems behind. The new 3.5l C class get 268hp while a 3.5l Bmw would achieve over 300hp.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by spitfire6000

Wow...are people around here so insecure about their purchase of a bmw that they get so offended when a fellow owner brings up a debate about a different car?

I totally agree.

but they claim "no, I don't feel insecure, its just that your facts are stupid". No point of trying to argue back. let them think BMW is better than jesus.

[NaTuReB0Y]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

I totally agree.

but they claim "no, I don't feel insecure, its just that your facts are stupid". No point of trying to argue back. let them think BMW is better than jesus.

I agree too.........

BMW is no comparison to MB in terms of power/torque and superficial status....hahaha!

BMW is a step above Audi....but way below MB.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by NaTuReB0Y

BMW is no comparison to MB in terms of power/torque and superficial status....hahaha!

LOL. lets get this thread going.

I am ready. Flame-suit on.
where is my damn popcorn.

[silverado]

I agree that every one is entitled to his or her opinion. I personally never liked MB's. I have always found driving them to be a rather disassociated experience. That is not to say that they are bad cars... I just much prefer the feel of a bimmer in my hands than a MB.

[BMW F22]

been reading these threads for a while, just wanted to speak my mind real quick. Just playing devil's advocate here...

I think both BMW and MBZ make great cars. However, each has different taste. If i want a SPORTY/Luxury, i would definitely get an M3, Z4, Z8,650Ci. This is because i prefer sporty first, then luxury. If i want a LUXURY/sporty, i would get an AMG. I agree with you guys that BMW handles better- not just cus i own one. But BMZ also has its selling points. if i can afford it, i would drive an E or S class over a 3 series any day. Now would I choose it over a 5 series? If i can afford it i would buy both.I think ppl view BMZ as the ultimate status symbol, that's why so many buy them instead of BMW even though they dont look sporty.

I think it all depends on each person's taste. I actually want to own both a BMW and a MBZ, just cant afford it. Here's what i would choose let's leave the SLR out of this)
3 series over c-class any given day (unless- very reluctant here- it's a C55 AMG)
M3 over a C55 any given day.
E500 over 550
M5 over any MBZ (except for like SLs)
SL over 6 series
6 series over C, E, S, CL, CLK, SLK all that crap.
SLK over 3 series convertables
and the list goes on and on...
i guess what im tryin to say here is it all depends. I personally think that MB cars do look like they're for old ppl. But then again, if i could get an E or S class over a 3 series i would. And i agree with the member who said MBz are expensive. A 230 kompressor, 4 cylinder engine, costs about $35k. a 325i has an I6 and costs about the same. Moonroofs come standard on all bmws while they're optional on most MBz, if not all. ANd the freaking moonroof package is like $1600. ANd you're telling me it's not expensive?? I think MBz is a rip-off. I seriously dont know why ppl would buy a C240, 280 or even 350 over the 3 series. But when you move up to an E or S class, it's kinda nice; even if you have to pay a premium for it. Man i seriously dont know what im saying...kinda late and im getting sleepy...

sport/luxury- go with BMW
luxury wit a lil sportiness, go with MBz.

Man this is hard...it's the ultimate stand off. BOth makers have their selling points...

[RyBMW]

Originally Posted by visor

What a waste of the last 5 minutes reading this thread...

Someone should tell him that:
Mercedes is like Lexus
BMW is like Acura
in terms of driving, handling, sports vs luxury, engine philosophy.

It's more like:

Mercedes is like Lexus
BMW is like Infiniti

The only Acura that is RWD is the NSX.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by RyBMW

It's more like:

Mercedes is like Lexus
BMW is like Infiniti

wow. very well said.
Infiniti does have more sporty characteristics than lexus.

[RodyP]

both are very excelent cars, but the benzes have much more power, the cls amg is a wonderful car, the m6 can't keep up. not in style, not in speed.

greets rody

[JamieA]

I think MB and BMW have their relative market segments very well pegged out, and even though they are fierce competitors, they really do attract different types of owners as has already been pointed out.

The thing is with the power question is that anyone can shove a forced induction in an engine and get great output. But getting great power and torque from an NA engine is an artform all of its own, one that BMW excels in. While MB excels in other areas of car engineering.

I wouldn't accept that MB has always had the edge on power. BMW is just in the process of an engine refresh, MB did that about 18 months ago and prior to this they were the underdog. The point is that one is always going to leapfrog the other, so unless you are an outright speed freak, does this really matter.

A BMW has always been about a complete package not just straight line. The European way is to not use a seldgehammer when a nutcracker will do just fine.

We should be happy for the competition anyway, it is what makes our cars so brilliant.

[Kurupt1811]

Originally Posted by NaTuReB0Y

I take any AMG over a 325i......

Only a 325i?? Id take an AMG over any 3 series. Yes this includes the 330i!

[Costa]

Hey guys, I think some have been a bit too fast out of the blocks flaming spitfire6000. Some of the facts may not have been 100%, but that's no reason to make it personal - he actually made quite a decent effort to explain his reasoning.

That all being said, I did pick up on a couple of assertions made which I believe are incorrect. In particular the comparison between the BMW 330 and the MB 350. This is not actually comparing apples with apples. The BMW 330 is a 3.0L straight six, has 190kW power, 300NM torque. The MB E350 or C350 is a 3.5L V6 with 200 kW of power and 350NM of torque. The correct model in the MB range to compare the 330's 3.0L engine with is the CLK280 or E280 3.0L V6, which has 170kW of power and 300NM of torque.

Like the others here, I do not believe it is valid to compare NA engines with forced induction - I think it's a bit like cheating. Also, you need to be really careful with model designators as they do not always correlate well with engine size, which should form the basis of any comparison.

My 2c on the MB vs BMW comparison is: For interior styling the MB is sexual - simply the best. At night in particular a lit up MB interior is just awesome. The materials they use on the inside seem to be far superior also. As far as handling and driving experience goes, BMW is better by the same margin - simple as that. It all comes down to what is more important ... and how much money you have.