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floydarogers · 06-17-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rogerdiaz

Anyone with gold extended warranty having dealer honor dde and fuel injector repair? I got 80k.

Arguably, if the DDE needs to be replaced, it is covered by the Fed Emissions Warranty until 8/80K miles.

rogerdiaz · 06-17-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by floydarogers

Arguably, if the DDE needs to be replaced, it is covered by the Fed Emissions Warranty until 8/80K miles.

How do I argue this and where could I find the reference material. I already contacted customer relations, but they probably dont know or care to handle the issue either. I attached my invoice for everyone's viewing.

The SES light is on because of zero adaptation fuel injector problem (whatever that means) per my research.

I now understand why Performance BMW Chapel Hill does not sell BMW OEM Gold or Platinum Extended Warranties, they try to sell you one of theirs that is triple the price.

floydarogers · 06-17-2013, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerdiaz

How do I argue this and where could I find the reference material.

The relavent text is on page 37 of the "2010 335 diesel service warranty booklet" - in your owner's packet, or downloadable from bmwusa.com I believe. I've got a pdf copy, if you need me to email it to you pm me.

Atlas1 · 06-17-2013, 03:13 PM

Okay, this is beginning to become frustrating. I informed the dealer about the DDE issue and the information I found online about the recurring pattern of injector faults and the DDE issue. They told me that BMW NA wants them to replace the cylinder head. I don't know much about diesels, but for a car with 30k miles on it, replacing the cylinder head seems like an awfully big repair. I would think that rough idle or some other indication of defective cylinder head would be noticeable, but it's not. Is this really necessary?

floydarogers · 06-17-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlas1

...They told me that BMW NA wants them to replace the cylinder head. I don't know much about diesels, but for a car with 30k miles on it, replacing the cylinder head seems like an awfully big repair. I would think that rough idle or some other indication of defective cylinder head would be noticeable, but it's not. Is this really necessary?

I only remember (from bimmerfest's diesel forum IIRC) one other case where bmwna replaced a head.

Perhaps BMW wants them to send the whole works back to Germany to be checked...

sohcpunk · 06-20-2013, 07:30 PM

I probably won't even bother with an extended warranty. Read in a few places here on the forums that some dealers won't honor the extended warranty on emissions related issues. I would say majority of the issues on the d is emissions related.

Puerto Rican 335d · 06-21-2013, 08:20 AM

what comes to mind is that gassers have somewhat the same issues now dont bang me on this a migos but I had a modded 02 MCS with you know WHO Flash LOL, anyway I drove the BIATCH for 128k and never had to do the crud in the intake is it because I drove the FALKER like a bat out of hell? well i ran into the guy I sold the car and he has put another 50k into the car mind you he took the flash OUT!! and put the OEM pully I beleive was at 15% and then he began to have problems, but, I know this guy ran the car like a bat out of hell also, but he took the essential parts i had put in and then he had to have his crud removed from the intakes. So Im LEANING to believe that those of us who have either JBD or RENNtech or whomever will MAYBE not have these issues. But, making a comparo with my past car with NOW 175k compared to my 30K DIESEL which has been in the shop for NOX EGR whatever the FALK else Ive been into its suffice to say MAYBE or MAYBE not will encounter the dreaded DDE Injector issues!!!

AzureHaze · 06-21-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sohcpunk

I probably won't even bother with an extended warranty. Read in a few places here on the forums that some dealers won't honor the extended warranty on emissions related issues. I would say majority of the issues on the d is emissions related.

So we're s**t out of luck after 80k?

F32Fleet · 06-21-2013, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rogerdiaz

How do I argue this and where could I find the reference material. I already contacted customer relations, but they probably dont know or care to handle the issue either. I attached my invoice for everyone's viewing.

The SES light is on because of zero adaptation fuel injector problem (whatever that means) per my research.

I now understand why Performance BMW Chapel Hill does not sell BMW OEM Gold or Platinum Extended Warranties, they try to sell you one of theirs that is triple the price.

NC may not be part of it. IIRC it's a California emission warranty which some other states have adopted.

sohcpunk · 06-21-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AzureHaze

So we're s**t out of luck after 80k?

Where did you get 80k? I thought the warranty expires at 50k.

rogerdiaz · 06-21-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sohcpunk

Where did you get 80k? I thought the warranty expires at 50k.

I have the 6year/100k gold extended warranty.

My mileage is 80k. But my issues are not covered by this wonderful warranty.

sohcpunk · 06-21-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rogerdiaz

I have the 6year/100k gold extended warranty.

I currently have 80k on it. But my issues are not covered by this wonderful warranty.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1926382

rogerdiaz · 06-21-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sohcpunk

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1926382

Im getting a DDE needs to be reprogrammed problem and thats not covered by Gold per dealer and now per customer relations. I can tell the customer relations rep and SA education levels are equivalent in regards to warranty work, when I had to start referencing SIBs and he didnt know wtf i was talking about, it was a done deal.

AzureHaze · 06-21-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sohcpunk

Where did you get 80k? I thought the warranty expires at 50k.

Emissions warranty? Swore I saw 70k from another post. Getting two different numbers here.

floydarogers · 06-21-2013, 07:01 PM

The DDE and catalyst are covered until 8/80 by the federal emissions warranty. Note that that is ONLY the DDE and Catalyst.

The California warranty is 7/70, and covers basically all the pieces of the emissions system, including SCR, EGR, DPF, etc.

sohcpunk · 06-25-2013, 07:39 PM

Guess it's good to be living in Cali and owning a 335d. However, what about the injector failures? Where does that come into the mix?

Puerto Rican 335d · 06-26-2013, 07:34 AM

because of CARB is why we have so much BS on our cars, thank CALI!! youve screwed a perfect engine with all this add on!!!

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Atlas1 New Member 0 Rep 6 Posts Drives: Alpine White BMW 335d Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Savannah, GA iTrader: (0)	Okay, this is beginning to become frustrating. I informed the dealer about the DDE issue and the information I found online about the recurring pattern of injector faults and the DDE issue. They told me that BMW NA wants them to replace the cylinder head. I don't know much about diesels, but for a car with 30k miles on it, replacing the cylinder head seems like an awfully big repair. I would think that rough idle or some other indication of defective cylinder head would be noticeable, but it's not. Is this really necessary?
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sohcpunk Second Lieutenant 24 Rep 289 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Socal iTrader: (4) Garage List 2011 335d [0.00]	I probably won't even bother with an extended warranty. Read in a few places here on the forums that some dealers won't honor the extended warranty on emissions related issues. I would say majority of the issues on the d is emissions related.
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06-21-2013, 08:20 AM	#29
Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 236 Rep 3,488 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	what comes to mind is that gassers have somewhat the same issues now dont bang me on this a migos but I had a modded 02 MCS with you know WHO Flash LOL, anyway I drove the BIATCH for 128k and never had to do the crud in the intake is it because I drove the FALKER like a bat out of hell? well i ran into the guy I sold the car and he has put another 50k into the car mind you he took the flash OUT!! and put the OEM pully I beleive was at 15% and then he began to have problems, but, I know this guy ran the car like a bat out of hell also, but he took the essential parts i had put in and then he had to have his crud removed from the intakes. So Im LEANING to believe that those of us who have either JBD or RENNtech or whomever will MAYBE not have these issues. But, making a comparo with my past car with NOW 175k compared to my 30K DIESEL which has been in the shop for NOX EGR whatever the FALK else Ive been into its suffice to say MAYBE or MAYBE not will encounter the dreaded DDE Injector issues!!! __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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floydarogers Curmudgeon and Pedant 693 Rep 3,488 Posts Drives: 2010 335d, 2014 328d Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Bellevue, WA iTrader: (0)	Warranties The DDE and catalyst are covered until 8/80 by the federal emissions warranty. Note that that is ONLY the DDE and Catalyst. The California warranty is 7/70, and covers basically all the pieces of the emissions system, including SCR, EGR, DPF, etc.
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sohcpunk Second Lieutenant 24 Rep 289 Posts Drives: 2011 335d Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Socal iTrader: (4) Garage List 2011 335d [0.00]	Guess it's good to be living in Cali and owning a 335d. However, what about the injector failures? Where does that come into the mix?
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Puerto Rican 335d Brigadier General 236 Rep 3,488 Posts Drives: Montego Blue 335d Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Puerto Rico(Dominican Republic 03/2017) iTrader: (0)	because of CARB is why we have so much BS on our cars, thank CALI!! youve screwed a perfect engine with all this add on!!! __________________ RENNtech Flash(Lenny Wu)/WAGNER IC Enkei Rajin 18"/Execuhitch Hitch/Koni FSD Soft Ride Bike Rack/Brava Synthetic Motor Oil(Made in Puerto Rico)/Meth(in the works)/CBU done w Andrew EGR Race Pipe (whoa! what an animal it is now)
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