DIY. Perfect Oem PROcede Usb Location

e90AW335i · 09-19-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tintivilus

Edit Edit (maybe I should start replying to myself): You also need to be careful with those 16-foot extensions; the USB spec calls out a maximum cable length of 5m (16.4ft)... how long is the cable on your USB->Serial adapter? I've had problems in the past with USB devices (cameras, specifically) flaking out as the cable length gets up there.

, Good info, it is easier just to talk to yourself sometimes....

ngoni · 09-19-2007, 10:21 AM

IIRC the Procede only communicates at 9600 baud (ie: nowhere near USB speeds). You should be OK.

doba_s · 09-19-2007, 10:23 AM

good job man ... any new idea is a great input to this forum ...

to ppl who can come up with something unique ...

KL2DC · 09-19-2007, 10:24 AM

Very nice idea ...

tintivilus · 09-19-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ngoni

IIRC the Procede only communicates at 9600 baud (ie: nowhere near USB speeds). You should be OK.

That's the RS232 baud rate; the USB link from the RS232 adapter and your host PC/laptop will still run at USB 1.1 or 2.0 signalling rates. The USB packets will just be very very small. USB is logically a shared bus, so all the branches run at full speed.

Even so, unless you've got crazy electrical noise issues it should be fine.

335iheLLraiseR · 09-19-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tintivilus

I was thinking it might be nicer to mount the cable in the glove box using the bracket from the USB/iPod retrofit kit.

Part I in the installation instructions

One problem is that if you're using a female A connector for the Procede, you'll need a funny cable to connect to your laptop. What you really want is a female B (or mini-B) connector, so you can use a bog-standard A-B (or A-miniB) cable.

A full-size B won't fit in a bracket meant for an A, but a mini-B probably would. It'd just be a matter of finding a cable with a female Mini-B connector on one end, or wiring something up by hand.

Edit: son of a bitch. That was way easier than I expected. http://www.buyextras.com/usbfetomib5f.html

Edit Edit (maybe I should start replying to myself): You also need to be careful with those 16-foot extensions; the USB spec calls out a maximum cable length of 5m (16.4ft)... how long is the cable on your USB->Serial adapter? I've had problems in the past with USB devices (cameras, specifically) flaking out as the cable length gets up there.

actually i looked into this as well, but my plans when using this, were slightly different. i wanted to use part "I", which is just a plastic holder so i didn't have dangling cable in the glove box. Unfornutaley no one carries it yet, at least in North America. I even PM's the OP in that thread to see if he can help, but got no response.That solution would actually be perfect for those that do have the 6fl option and can't do this mod.

335iheLLraiseR · 10-02-2007, 11:15 PM

bump....

finished the install and updated the first post with complete instructions and pics....

335iheLLraiseR · 10-03-2007, 11:20 AM

bump

335iheLLraiseR · 10-04-2007, 08:20 PM

damn....nobody cares.

rideelement247 · 10-04-2007, 09:24 PM

Hey Ulises! Let's do this when I get my car chipped alright?

rideelement247 · 10-04-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

damn....nobody cares.

No way man!!! This idea is the effin' shit!!!

I too was wondering what the delear would think to a USB cord protruding from somewhere. I was going to hide it behind that pointless coin holder in the arm rest.

Like I said. I'm all for coming down to you and having you help me out once I get chipped!

DrDomer · 10-04-2007, 09:26 PM

Nice... Too bad I have a lease.

rideelement247 · 10-04-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

actually i looked into this as well, but my plans when using this, were slightly different. i wanted to use part "I", which is just a plastic holder so i didn't have dangling cable in the glove box. Unfornutaley no one carries it yet, at least in North America. I even PM's the OP in that thread to see if he can help, but got no response.That solution would actually be perfect for those that do have the 6fl option and can't do this mod.

What is the 6FL option? I doubt I have it. I do have that aux jack in my armrest though. COuld we use the existing aux jack so I can save 40$?

2007_E93 · 10-04-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

damn....nobody cares.

VERY NICE!! I am in Tampa area and I'm in Miami frequently. You think I could meet up with you sometime as I am kinda losing you on the install. I am super paranoid about f~ing up my car. I am happy to do this myself but might be nice to see. If not would you at least be able to help with the install if I have questions? Good Job as I too didn't feel like paying $350 for a Blue Tooth connection.

tintivilus · 10-04-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 335iheLLraiseR

damn....nobody cares.

It's a neat setup; glad it works. Nobody would guess its your proceed.

I was actually thinking of picking up that 6FL jack just to supply USB Vbus for phone/iPod chargers.

335iheLLraiseR · 10-04-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rideelement247

Hey Ulises! Let's do this when I get my car chipped alright?

anytime....just send me a pm and get the parts, i'll be glad to help.

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Originally Posted by rideelement247

No way man!!! This idea is the effin' shit!!!

I too was wondering what the delear would think to a USB cord protruding from somewhere. I was going to hide it behind that pointless coin holder in the arm rest.

Like I said. I'm all for coming down to you and having you help me out once I get chipped!

might have an extra PROcede if you are interested.

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Originally Posted by DrDomer

Nice... Too bad I have a lease.

so do i....

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Originally Posted by rideelement247

What is the 6FL option? I doubt I have it. I do have that aux jack in my armrest though. COuld we use the existing aux jack so I can save 40$?

the 6fl option is the housing i replaced my original one with. it includes the usb port for you to charge and control your ipod through idrive or the standard radio. if you only have the aux jack then you don't have the 6fl.

you could drill a hole in it, but it would just stand out. the reason i did it like this is, who the hell in the dealership is gonna know?

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Originally Posted by 2007_E93

VERY NICE!! I am in Tampa area and I'm in Miami frequently. You think I could meet up with you sometime as I am kinda losing you on the install. I am super paranoid about f~ing up my car. I am happy to do this myself but might be nice to see. If not would you at least be able to help with the install if I have questions? Good Job as I too didn't feel like paying $350 for a Blue Tooth connection.

anytime man, just shoot me a PM. and you can't possibly break anything, everything pops off and on, now its super easy. i already know what to take off.

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Originally Posted by tintivilus

It's a neat setup; glad it works. Nobody would guess its your proceed.

I was actually thinking of picking up that 6FL jack just to supply USB Vbus for phone/iPod chargers.

thanks, thats not a bad i dea either..hmm.. never thought of that...

ironic · 10-04-2007, 11:05 PM

dman nice, something i'll def do when i procede

zenmaster · 10-05-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 2007_E93

Good Job as I too didn't feel like paying $350 for a Blue Tooth connection.

There is a possibility that it can be done for under $100. Has anyone looked into it besides Eugen?

2007_E93 · 10-05-2007, 08:55 AM

Thanks 335iHellraiser. I just cant wait for my V2 to show up. Was waiting to see some posts from people to see if it was really worth it. I'm WAAAY at the back of the line. I will let you know when I'm ready.

tintivilus · 10-05-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zenmaster

There is a possibility that it can be done for under $100. Has anyone looked into it besides Eugen?

Yeah, other people have looked into it. Eugen's solution I would consider over-engineered; he uses two industrial bluetooth-serial adapters, which I think is just because he trusts them not to flake out.

I'm quite comfortable with Bluetooth gadgets, and have Bluetooth on all my laptops, so if I were to do BT-Procede I'd just get one serial->Bluetooth dongle (for the ProCede) and use built-in bluetooth on the laptop side. I've also used bluetooth devices as pseudo-Serial devices before in both OS X and Windows and it's really not a big deal to set up. In theory it "just works", and I've never had to do any significant troubleshooting. (If I were selling a solution I had to support I might have a different opinion on the matter.)

That nicely lops the price in half, before you start shopping around for cheaper serial adapters.

Edit: Here's one for $80, but I wouldn't stake much on its reliability without testing it out first

http://www.cooldrives.com/bluetooth-...-adapter-.html

Sorry about the threadjack

HyperM3 · 10-05-2007, 09:32 AM

Very nice DIY!

zenmaster · 10-05-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tintivilus

Yeah, other people have looked into it. Eugen's solution I would consider over-engineered; he uses two industrial bluetooth-serial adapters, which I think is just because he trusts them not to flake out.

I'm quite comfortable with Bluetooth gadgets, and have Bluetooth on all my laptops, so if I were to do BT-Procede I'd just get one serial->Bluetooth dongle (for the ProCede) and use built-in bluetooth on the laptop side. I've also used bluetooth devices as pseudo-Serial devices before in both OS X and Windows and it's really not a big deal to set up. In theory it "just works", and I've never had to do any significant troubleshooting. (If I were selling a solution I had to support I might have a different opinion on the matter.)

That nicely lops the price in half, before you start shopping around for cheaper serial adapters.

Edit: Here's one for $80, but I wouldn't stake much on its reliability without testing it out first

http://www.cooldrives.com/bluetooth-...-adapter-.html

Sorry about the threadjack

I bought all of the parts online for $95, including all shipping:
1 IOGear GBS301 (Bluetooth v1.1) ,
1 AnyCOM 2.0 USB to Bluetooth,
1 XM Roady 12VDC-6VDC car adapter
With this setup PROcede software *can* open the COM4 port, which apparently was the problem requiring Eugen to go with 2 Sena interfaces.
Only potential problems I see are 1) the IOGear is Bluetooth v1.1 (no freq hopping) vs Sena's Bluetooth v1.2 (freq hopping) and 2) No switched power available in engine bay (required by newer cars). However, the setup should work fine.

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