[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by E90Company

Jeff,
Source Opensource.org:

"Open source doesn't just mean access to the source code. The distribution terms of open-source software must comply with the following criteria:

1. Free Redistribution
The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources.

2. Source Code
The program must include source code, and must allow distribution in source code as well as compiled form.

3. Derived Works
People need to be able to experiment with and redistribute modifications.

4. Integrity of The Author's Source Code
5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups

6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor
For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.

7. Distribution of License
8. License Must Not Be Specific to a Product

9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software

10. License Must Be Technology-Neutral
No provision of the license may be predicated on any individual technology or style of interface."

Make of it what you wish...

Does this source have anything to do with the tuning world or just generic in nature?

Again, the whole point of open source is the ability to alter and share maps openly. That includes having full access to the tune and no "locked" areas. Many tuners on this platform and other platform do not allow access to the maps openly and you either have to use their OTS maps or make your own through a 3rd party tuner in which they then lock their own maps usually to where you can not alter them either. They all also open admit they do not allow access to certain areas to the ECU.

With the openflash tablet you can make your own maps, tweak any maps, share maps and have full access.

That is what open source is for the "tuning world". For those who know what it means to have full access to ECU, maps, sharing, ETC ETC then they know this is still an open source tune.

Originally Posted by ihc95

Thank you @Jeff@Topgearsolutions for the informative response. The OpenFlash allows for map sharing within users??

Yep.

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes it does. Map sharing between users is encouraged with OpenFlash. Hence, the term "Open".

Originally Posted by jpsimon

Maps are never locked - they are free to share, only the tablet itself is married to one car at a time like Cobb.

[Walker16]

Open source referees to software that runs on hardware.
If someone has a open source video editing program on there laptop that I wanted I would ask them for a link to the program so i could install it on my own laptop. I would not go to there house and borrow there laptop to use that program.

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

Does this source have anything to do with the tuning world or just generic in nature?

Again, the whole point of open source is the ability to alter and share maps openly. That includes having full access to the tune and no "locked" areas. Many tuners on this platform and other platform do not allow access to the maps openly and you either have to use their OTS maps or make your own through a 3rd party tuner in which they then lock their own maps usually to where you can not alter them either. They all also open admit they do not allow access to certain areas to the ECU.

With the openflash tablet you can make your own maps, tweak any maps, share maps and have full access.

That is what open source is for the "tuning world". For those who know what it means to have full access to ECU, maps, sharing, ETC ETC then they know this is still an open source tune.

You asked what the definition was. Anything being called "open source" will be in accordance to those points, otherwise it isn't open source. Regarding the OpenFlash tablet, people can decide based on my previous comment; that's not my intent here.

Every table that has the ability to change the driving dynamics of the car in a positive way, is provided with COBB ATR, which is what I am assuming you are referring to here (If not, disregard.) Some tables may not be viewable, simply because they don't do anything to enhance the driving characteristics or performance of the car in a positive way. They simply arn't needed to the end user, tuner, or anyone else creating the map.

Regarding "locked maps," when you pay a professional tuner several hundred dollars to create a tune for your specific vehicle, wether it be GIAC, COBB, RENNTech, Vishnu's vin locking, etc, you agree to their terms of locking to your specific vehicle when you purchase. These are all closed source tuning companies. The OpenFlashTablet also locks to a specific vehicle.

Regarding the bold, yes, you can. You can also do the same on other "closed source" tunes, despite them not being "open."

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by E90Company

You asked what the definition was. Anything being called "open source" will be in accordance to those points, otherwise it isn't open source. Regarding the OpenFlash tablet, people can decide based on my previous comment; that's not my intent here.

Every table that has the ability to change the driving dynamics of the car in a positive way, is provided with COBB ATR, which is what I am assuming you are referring to here (If not, disregard.) Some tables may not be viewable, simply because they don't do anything to enhance the driving characteristics or performance of the car in a positive way. They simply arn't needed to the end user, tuner, or anyone else creating the map.

Regarding "locked maps," when you pay a professional tuner several hundred dollars to create a tune for your specific vehicle, wether it be GIAC, COBB, RENNTech, Vishnu's vin locking, etc, you agree to their terms of locking to your specific vehicle when you purchase. These are all closed source tuning companies. The OpenFlashTablet also locks to a specific vehicle.

Regarding the bold, yes, you can. You can also do the same on other "closed source" tunes.

I guess i'll leave this rhetorical question since people seem to focus on nothing that really matters in terms of making power on this car and only focus on trivial stuff that is useless for those in search of more power...

What other flash tunes are available that are $400 that come in a portable handheld unit for this platform with off the shelf maps, ability to tweak your own maps as the end user and share maps with others that makes as good or better power?

Vishnu doesn't lock their tune anymore and I'm not saying anything directly about cobb unless I prefaced it originally in the context.

[jpsimon]

People can cry all they want about what it's called but they're just wasting their time. In the end it's a much cheaper solution that will do more than other flashing devices. It's a great tool that many people will enjoy.

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

I guess i'll leave this rhetorical question since people seem to focus on nothing that really matters in terms of making power on this car and only focus on trivial stuff that is useless for those in search of more power...

What other flash tunes are available that are $400 that come in a portable handheld unit for this platform with off the shelf maps, ability to tweak your own maps as the end user and share maps with others that makes as good or better power?

Vishnu doesn't lock their tune anymore and I'm not saying anything directly about cobb unless I prefaced it originally in the context.

Jeff, you asked a question in your original post, and I answered it with factual information. I'm not here to twist around definitions to benefit sales. I already stated I have no opinion on the "open" nature of this device. Let people decide that for themselves using my points.

Originally Posted by jpsimon

People can cry all they want about what it's called, but in the end it's much cheaper and will be a great tool for many people.

If you are referring to my post, I wasn't talking about the OpenFlash Tablet at all. If you weren't, disregard.

[DriftDreamzSS]

Originally Posted by derrick603

+80 hp on a stock car with just a tune in CA? What kind of fuel are you running?

Also interested if this was on 91, very impressive results for our crappy fuel

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by E90Company

Jeff, you asked a question in your original post, and I answered it with factual information. I'm not here to twist around definitions to benefit sales. I already stated I have no opinion on the "open" nature of this device. Let people decide that for themselves using my points.



If you are referring to my post, I wasn't talking about the OpenFlash Tablet at all. If you weren't, disregard.

To be perfectly honest there really is nothing twisted. Your points are excellent if the end all be all was how closely this tune follows your suggested definition of "open source". People (and I say this out to the public and not just you) often get stuck on facts or principals that stem very far from how your car is running on a tune and how much your paying for it.

Apparently just in this small bit of time there are quite a few interpretations of "open source".

All of which I personally find moot.

The fact remains this is the least expensive and most "open" option for a handheld flash tune on this platform today.

[E90Company]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

To be perfectly honest there really is nothing twisted. Your points are excellent if the end all be all was how closely this tune follows your suggested definition of "open source". People (and I say this out to the public and not just you) often get stuck on facts or principals that stem very far from how your car is running on a tune and how much your paying for it.

Apparently just in this small bit of time there are quite a few interpretations of "open source".

All of which I personally find moot.

The fact remains this is the least expensive and most "open" option for a handheld flash tune on this platform today.

Fair enough.

[StevenY.]

Thanks for the review! Definitely will get this down the line, wonder what it can make on 93 octane since I'm assuming this was on 91 octane?

[Walker16]

It was running a tank full of 91 octane. I did run some E85 with the previous tank but I run that out to empty before filling it back up and hitting the dyno.

[WLF]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

People can cry all they want about what it's called but they're just wasting their time. In the end it's a much cheaper solution that will do more than other flashing devices. It's a great tool that many people will enjoy.

Care to explain?

[jpsimon]

Originally Posted by WLF

Care to explain?

Among other things, one is the procede command center resets which you don't need another device to do, and Shiv said they're working on getting the idle rpm INPA command incorporated for us 6mt guys (which is personally one of my most sought-after features). Also, he mentioned maybe getting gauge takeover added (the device would have to be plugged in, but that isn't a big deal). Things like that make it stand out to me, especially knowing they aren't stopping with just that stuff.

This thing has just barely launched and it already stands out as the device to have in my opinion. They're actually trying to make this more than a simple little flashing tool.

[maxwell600]

Someone's butthurt...

Walker, Awesome review!!!

[litxus]

For people crying about open source, please stop it already .... I see couple reasons why it is closed in regards to software but open to maps and also I see why it is being married.

1. People who invested their time want to get some kind of payback / profit, that is their choice, so closed software and fixed hardware.

2. If they did make this unit unmarried, you could simply buy one open flash and copy all GIAC, COBB, and all other maps with no problems from other cars and so on. The value for off the shelf maps from GIAC and all other would just drop significantly and that's why competition hates it. I only see this being temporary as someone will figure out a way to copy all maps regardless locked or not.

So here you have it, I'm sure initially it might have been "open source" but due to threats of lawsuits from competition changed the course a little, but not much.

[WLF]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

Among other things, one is the procede command center resets which you don't need another device to do, and Shiv said they're working on getting the idle rpm INPA command incorporated for us 6mt guys (which is personally one of my most sought-after features). Also, he mentioned maybe getting gauge takeover added (the device would have to be plugged in, but that isn't a big deal). Things like that make it stand out to me, especially knowing they aren't stopping with just that stuff.

This thing has just barely launched and it already stands out as the device to have in my opinion. They're actually trying to make this more than a simple little flashing tool.

I think the new flash ( i wont call it open source) is great. It is a cheaper version of COBB. but everything you have mentioned above is still work in progress.

[jpsimon]

The command center stuff is live on the device now. But yes the other things are a work in progress - but at least it IS a work in progress and not a stagnant flashing device. Things are moving right along

[derrick603]

+80hp is significantly more than what COBB's Stage 1 ACN maps seem to offer. I'm curious how that is possible given that both are just software changes. Does OpenFlash have access to tables that AccessPort does not?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by derrick603

+80hp is significantly more than what COBB's Stage 1 ACN maps seem to offer. I'm curious how that is possible given that both are just software changes. Does OpenFlash have access to tables that AccessPort does not?

By the looks it, some differences in software go a long way. We do indeed have access to a few more tables but I don't think they are responsible for the difference is drivability/performance.

[derrick603]

My understanding of ECU reflashes is fairly limited, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but the impression that I have is that these reflashes change the values in the tables that the DME references to make decisions on boost, timing, etc. The logic itself that the DME uses does not change, is that correct? If so, that tells me that, assuming both tuning devices have access to the same performance and drivability tables, if the values in the corresponding tables for both tuning devices are equal, then the performance should be equal. Does that make sense?

[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

By the looks it, some differences in software go a long way. We do indeed have access to a few more tables but I don't think they are responsible for the difference is drivability/performance.

What a huge, steaming pile of bullshit. Did you actually just imply that 80HP is the result of a difference in software? This tuning platform, because of its software, is able to extract huge gains over Cobb, GIAC, and JB, with the exact same hardware? Say that to yourself while looking in a mirror and see if you can finish the sentence.

What jaded, shady marketing focused on the uninformed. You really don't have any shame.

[e46m3to335i]

Originally Posted by Sleeper

What a huge, steaming pile of bullshit. Did you actually just imply that 80HP is the result of a difference in software? This tuning platform, because of its software, is able to extract huge gains over Cobb, GIAC, and JB, with the exact same hardware? Say that to yourself while looking in a mirror and see if you can finish the sentence.

What jaded, shady marketing focused on the uninformed. You really don't have any shame.

I really wouldn't call them HUGE gains over the cobb stage 1 OTS maps but they are significant. Unless you have the same knowledge that Rombinhood and Cobb has, how could you state/argue this?

Im not a openflash nutswinger as you can tell from my sig but its getting really old seeing people throw opinions around in such an ignorant way.

IMHO, data logs of this flash will answer a lot of answers.

-Nick