Washer jets...

Cafe.Racer · 02-18-2008, 08:04 AM

It seemed really weird that it was working until I filled it up...

Anyway, just been out to try it now it's warmed up and they're working again

Move along now, nothing to see here...

DervFan · 02-18-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Cafe.Racer

Filled up the washer bottle on Saturday and put some antifreeze in.

Mrs Used the car on Sunday and said that she couldn't get the rear wash wipe to work. I thought "probably pulling the wrong stalk".

This morning, the washer jets aren't working.

Now, I know it was very cold with freezing fog and everything, but I don't think it's frozen up as I can't even hear the pump trying.

Smidge over 17k - is this a common thing?

Whilst I'm on, I've been waiting for the first service, but I also have a rattle in the dash, it's central and seems to be coming from around the upper vent area (the big upper vent, not the face vents). This might been down to a car kit I have fitted, so I also wanted to ask if it was a common one?

I've noticed this before, that in very cold conditions the motors don't even try. However, the problem gones away once the temp reaches about +2°C over a prolonged period.

Same thing happened to me this morning

Although I think it'll work when I go back out later....

G33 · 02-18-2008, 08:36 AM

apparently u have to use bottled water. u cant use tap water cos of the calc in it

most ppl buy the ready mixed stuff from tescos...so ive read anyway

Ragman · 02-18-2008, 08:41 AM

We have one of those condensing tumble dryers - it stores the water extracted in a removable container that I empty into the washer bottle, smells beautiful.

booforty · 02-18-2008, 08:51 AM

Yep, sheps is referring to me. Mine clogged up and the dealer fixed it under warranty. The filter got clogged because I was not using bottled water or tap water that had been boiled first! Also you are supposed to only use BMW washer fluid. They were pretty good about it and I know they thought it silly that a £35k car gets its washer jets clogged because of tap water!

BC4J · 02-18-2008, 10:20 AM

There's nothing in the manual on using deion H2O (that I've noticed). Anyway I use softened water (we have a water softener for the house) and Einszett Additive (http://www.cleanandshiny.co.uk/index...d&productId=87). Works great so far.

squeezebm · 02-18-2008, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cafe.Racer

It seemed really weird that it was working until I filled it up...

Anyway, just been out to try it now it's warmed up and they're working again

Move along now, nothing to see here...

bet your glad you asked that one

but it was bloody cold this morning

nagge · 02-18-2008, 11:49 AM

Just buy the ready mixed stuff.
I always keep a 4liter container in the trunk during winter months.

Cafe.Racer · 02-18-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by squeezebm

bet your glad you asked that one

but it was bloody cold this morning

I did think about deleting the thread...

Was a load of rubbish about de-ionised water! I drink tap water, I wash in it n' everything.

Is it right about this less than +2'C? Which genius thought of that? What happens if my windscreen is dirty, and the deionised water, mixed (in the correct proportions) with BMW screenwash isn't frozen?

Muppets.

Z4 Beemer · 02-18-2008, 02:11 PM

I'm sure I used mine this morning and it was about -3.0C up here. In winter I usually keep the washer tank filled with a higher concentrate of washer fluid. This means that when I go out to the car in the morning, I start the engine, hit the windscreen defrost button to defrost the bottom part of the screen first where the wipers are. After this area is defrosted, I spray the screen with the washer fluid and it helps melt the rest of the ice on the the screen. It works very well and saves me having to defrost the screen with an ice scraper or de-icer.

SoYank · 02-18-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cafe.Racer

Now, I know it was very cold with freezing fog and everything, but I don't think it's frozen up as I can't even hear the pump trying.

Smidge over 17k - is this a common thing?

Whilst I'm on, I've been waiting for the first service, but I also have a rattle in the dash, it's central and seems to be coming from around the upper vent area (the big upper vent, not the face vents). This might been down to a car kit I have fitted, so I also wanted to ask if it was a common one?

Ice cubes rattling?

Cafe.Racer · 02-19-2008, 06:56 AM

-5'C this morning, washer pump was working fine, as were the jets until they froze up.

I think the pump perhaps just froze up on Saturday before I had chance to top up with antifreeze, then didn't defrost until yerterday lunchtime.

DervFan · 02-19-2008, 07:17 AM

Hmmm....that probably explains it !

Black Sapphire · 02-19-2008, 08:09 AM

Hi all

The washer jets are heated (on all e92's and probably all E9*) so as long as you've got the correct mix of screen wash/water in the water bottle then the jets should operate fine.
Not sure what temperature they work down to as cafe.racer said his froze at -5c?

stevie996 · 08-16-2008, 11:45 AM

My washer jets for the screen fail to work but the headlamp ones do.

I spoke to my local stealer(Shitners of Newport) and they informed me that it was quite normal for this to happen and enquired as to what screen wash I use. I replied "BMW" as this has always been used in the car.

They replied that the filter was blocked and that it would not be covered by warranty. It would cost between £80 and £100 to put right.

I thought no way am I paying this and told them what I thought of them.

Well today I decided to have a go at it. It took me about 1.75 hours to remove the inner wing splash guards, fully remove the washer resevoir and clean/unblock filters. Put it all back together working fine again and no leeks.

I should have pursued the after sales manager but with the current conditions I just needed the car fixed.

I will take it up on Monday with BMW UK.

Steve

Budgie · 08-16-2008, 11:50 AM

They do try it on sometimes hey.....piss take ...u would think right now there be going a little further as they need people to get business and not turn it away.

Astonishing isnt it for a 35k car lol....

Glad u mentioned there own wash lol....erm..now what lol...

Name and shame the dealer in opinions section...they dont deserve ur business.

tisme · 08-16-2008, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevie996

My washer jets for the screen fail to work but the headlamp ones do.

I spoke to my local stealer(Shitners of Newport) and they informed me that it was quite normal for this to happen and enquired as to what screen wash I use. I replied "BMW" as this has always been used in the car.

They replied that the filter was blocked and that it would not be covered by warranty. It would cost between £80 and £100 to put right.

I thought no way am I paying this and told them what I thought of them.

Well today I decided to have a go at it. It took me about 1.75 hours to remove the inner wing splash guards, fully remove the washer resevoir and clean/unblock filters. Put it all back together working fine again and no leeks.

I should have pursued the after sales manager but with the current conditions I just needed the car fixed.

I will take it up on Monday with BMW UK.

Steve

Steve, I had an e46 and the waster filters blocked after 4 years. I was very careful to only use softened water in teh washer bottles.

What precautions have others used to avoid the filter getting blocked? My e46 was a leased car, but my new one that is coming next month is bought by me, so extra care needed

.

xenon · 08-18-2008, 05:17 AM

The e46 was easy to do; not tried on an E9x yet.

I personally do not see a problem with the dealer. The filter has become clogged due to water impurities or poor quality additive (?) but I don't see why a blocked filter is their problem. As you see, it's a fair amount of labour and a filter blocked is not a warranty issue IMO. You could argue that the filter did its job properly and prevented the jets being totally jammed up and possibly needing replacement (not cheap).

*EDIT* - just read you only use BMW wash so it isn't that. Some cheap supermarket additives leave horrible deposits (sulphides?)

booforty · 08-18-2008, 12:26 PM

Do a search - this happened on my E90 and it was fixed by my dealer for FREE

dkan · 01-13-2009, 04:33 AM

This has just happened to my E92, i've call my local stealer and they want to charge me £130 to fix it. Does anyone know of a dealer that will fix it for free in the Bristol or Windor/London area ?

Cheers,

David

yatesey · 01-13-2009, 05:26 AM

yep if the motor's not whinning.....theres something else wrong ...but as ive just cleaned out my washer bottle for the second time....if u want to know how to get to the little bugger!!...and i mean bugger!....drop me a line and ill pm u back with all the details

...basically ...jack car up..front wheel off...wheel arch cover off...un wire pump(s) and tubes and thats just the start......thats why the charge u £130 for the pleasure.....but it can be done!

Y

dkan · 01-13-2009, 06:22 AM

yatesey, if you can post me the details that would be great.

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Cafe.Racer Captain 32 Rep 896 Posts Drives: 320d Touring Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nottingham, UK iTrader: (1)	It seemed really weird that it was working until I filled it up... Anyway, just been out to try it now it's warmed up and they're working again Move along now, nothing to see here... __________________ Phil
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G33 Colonel 101 Rep 2,079 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London iTrader: (0)	apparently u have to use bottled water. u cant use tap water cos of the calc in it most ppl buy the ready mixed stuff from tescos...so ive read anyway
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Cafe.Racer Captain 32 Rep 896 Posts Drives: 320d Touring Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Nottingham, UK iTrader: (1)	-5'C this morning, washer pump was working fine, as were the jets until they froze up. I think the pump perhaps just froze up on Saturday before I had chance to top up with antifreeze, then didn't defrost until yerterday lunchtime. __________________ Phil
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Black Sapphire Second Lieutenant 7 Rep 227 Posts Drives: Impreza WRX STI Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: London, England iTrader: (0)	Hi all The washer jets are heated (on all e92's and probably all E9*) so as long as you've got the correct mix of screen wash/water in the water bottle then the jets should operate fine. Not sure what temperature they work down to as cafe.racer said his froze at -5c?
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stevie996 First Lieutenant 37 Rep 396 Posts Drives: BMW F36 435d M Sport Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wales,UK iTrader: (3)	Windscreen washer jets not working My washer jets for the screen fail to work but the headlamp ones do. I spoke to my local stealer(Shitners of Newport) and they informed me that it was quite normal for this to happen and enquired as to what screen wash I use. I replied "BMW" as this has always been used in the car. They replied that the filter was blocked and that it would not be covered by warranty. It would cost between £80 and £100 to put right. I thought no way am I paying this and told them what I thought of them. Well today I decided to have a go at it. It took me about 1.75 hours to remove the inner wing splash guards, fully remove the washer resevoir and clean/unblock filters. Put it all back together working fine again and no leeks. I should have pursued the after sales manager but with the current conditions I just needed the car fixed. I will take it up on Monday with BMW UK. Steve
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xenon Major General 1475 Rep 8,202 Posts Drives: 2021 G21 330i M-Sport Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Coventry iTrader: (0)	The e46 was easy to do; not tried on an E9x yet. I personally do not see a problem with the dealer. The filter has become clogged due to water impurities or poor quality additive (?) but I don't see why a blocked filter is their problem. As you see, it's a fair amount of labour and a filter blocked is not a warranty issue IMO. You could argue that the filter did its job properly and prevented the jets being totally jammed up and possibly needing replacement (not cheap). EDIT - just read you only use BMW wash so it isn't that. Some cheap supermarket additives leave horrible deposits (sulphides?) __________________ Ian Current: 2021 G21 330i M-Sport Previous: 2018 A6 Avant S-Line MMI+, 2014 F31 320d M-Sport, 2013 F10 520d M-Sport, 2011 F10 530d M-Sport, 2008 320i M-Sport Coupe, 2002 325i, 2001 318i valvetronic, 1998 318i, 1996 525i, 1990 Porsche 944S2
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dkan Private 8 Rep 67 Posts Drives: BMW ????? Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	This has just happened to my E92, i've call my local stealer and they want to charge me £130 to fix it. Does anyone know of a dealer that will fix it for free in the Bristol or Windor/London area ? Cheers, David
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dkan Private 8 Rep 67 Posts Drives: BMW ????? Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	yatesey, if you can post me the details that would be great.
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